Dee.
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Post by Dee. on Jan 4, 2010 23:50:21 GMT -5
So how was Bret in your opinion, guys? I didn't watch but I wanted to know if he was old and tragic or BEST OF THE BEST.
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Post by Error on Jan 4, 2010 23:50:53 GMT -5
What time did RAW end? I am hoping my DVR was set long enough.
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Post by moonlight on Jan 4, 2010 23:52:45 GMT -5
Vince had to have the last word. The kick was uncalled for. He told Bret he wanted to kick him in the gut, and I told my wife that slimeball is gonna do it....he did. Vince is a lowlife.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jan 4, 2010 23:53:13 GMT -5
So how was Bret in your opinion, guys? I didn't watch but I wanted to know if he was old and tragic or BEST OF THE BEST. His promos were good (especially the one with HBK to open up RAW), and he came across as a genuine guy who moved past all bitter feelings.
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Post by notonyourradar on Jan 4, 2010 23:53:34 GMT -5
Bret is understandably out of shape, face looks just as aged as Shawn in my opinion. Its like Peter Pan in the movie "Hook".
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mattperiolat
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Post by mattperiolat on Jan 4, 2010 23:54:41 GMT -5
I think it was around a 12 minute overrun.
And I made a mistake on Bret's health issues - concussion ended the career, the stroke from the bike accident caused the limp. Got ya.
I still don't think he has any business being in the ring. It's too much of a risk and I'm sorry, but Bret is not Ricky Steamboat. I can't expect him to be the Bret Hart I remember because of his health. So, there it sits.
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Dee.
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Post by Dee. on Jan 4, 2010 23:56:46 GMT -5
So how was Bret in your opinion, guys? I didn't watch but I wanted to know if he was old and tragic or BEST OF THE BEST. His promos were good (especially the one with HBK to open up RAW), and he came across as a genuine guy who moved past all bitter feelings. That's great to hear.
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Post by diegorivera on Jan 4, 2010 23:57:13 GMT -5
I'd like to know why DX didn't come out They didn't want to rain on Bret's parade by coming out and pretending that the Screwjob 12 years ago didn't happen or that the issue they had with one another are just forgotten and everyone's friends now. It may be water under the bridge, but it can always flood. Maybe Micheals and HHH got a case of the big head and didn't want to come out. Maybe Bret told Vince to tell them to stay in the back because this was a moment for him, the fans and the "boys" and DX wasn't invited. Maybe both parties agreed that it would be pretentious for Micheals and Hunter to come out during a celebration for Hart and they all mutually agreed that Bret's moment was best done without their presence and when he got to the back everyone sat down, talked, and all agreed to let bygones be bygones and just work together peacefully as needed. Who knows? I'm done with the Screwjob. Done with "who's burying/dissing/being an ass to who" speculation. It's over. Bret and Vince buried the hatchet in reality years ago. Bret and Micheals probably did the same in private as soon as this angle was thought up. For all we know, HHH and Hart have done the same and are just kayfabing it. Well never really know. Let's be done with the speculation. It's over. This cloud that has hovered over the WWF/E for 12 years has passed. Let it go.
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Post by Haulk on Jan 4, 2010 23:57:58 GMT -5
I thought he was in good shape. Its Piper thats a bloated mess.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jan 4, 2010 23:58:10 GMT -5
His promos were good (especially the one with HBK to open up RAW), and he came across as a genuine guy who moved past all bitter feelings. That's great to hear. I love how they didn't make him sound like the whiny bitch his character was back in '97 (no offense), and him refusing Jericho's offer was icing on the cake.
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Post by Bauertainments on Jan 5, 2010 2:30:53 GMT -5
I couldn't help but get the feeling that Bret/HBK segment felt a little bit forced. In my opinion, the look on Bret's face when they hugged looked really odd.
The end segment with Vince was great.
At least the crowd didn't turn on the show and chant "That was Bull****" during the show (unlike on TNA)
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Post by thesunbeast on Jan 5, 2010 3:46:08 GMT -5
Well, I sure didn't expect to read any Wrestlemania spoilers on this, and if i hadn't stumbled onto them unexpectedly on this site over and oner again i would have been really surprised at what i saw tonight between Bret and Vince.
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Post by mauled on Jan 5, 2010 3:48:13 GMT -5
I'd like to know why DX didn't come out They didn't want to rain on Bret's parade by coming out and pretending that the Screwjob 12 years ago didn't happen or that the issue they had with one another are just forgotten and everyone's friends now. It may be water under the bridge, but it can always flood. Maybe Micheals and HHH got a case of the big head and didn't want to come out. Maybe Bret told Vince to tell them to stay in the back because this was a moment for him, the fans and the "boys" and DX wasn't invited. Maybe both parties agreed that it would be pretentious for Micheals and Hunter to come out during a celebration for Hart and they all mutually agreed that Bret's moment was best done without their presence and when he got to the back everyone sat down, talked, and all agreed to let bygones be bygones and just work together peacefully as needed. Who knows? I'm done with the Screwjob. Done with "who's burying/dissing/being an ass to who" speculation. It's over. Bret and Vince buried the hatchet in reality years ago. Bret and Micheals probably did the same in private as soon as this angle was thought up. For all we know, HHH and Hart have done the same and are just kayfabing it. Well never really know. Let's be done with the speculation. It's over. This cloud that has hovered over the WWF/E for 12 years has passed. Let it go. Agreed besides if Hunter doesnt like it to take out his frustrations he can always find a wrestler and beat him up and squash him to his hearts content. YELLS IN THE BACK Jerico get in here your needed"
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Jan 5, 2010 4:06:49 GMT -5
Btw fellow crappers, it was an honor sharing this historic night with u all. looking forward too more
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Post by Chris the Bambikiller on Jan 5, 2010 14:25:15 GMT -5
I actually was disappointed.
Yes, I marked for the Hitman, but why didn't he really get a chance to tell the story his way? Okay, he wanted to "bury the hatchet" with everyone, so it's no use speaking about every detail of the screw job, but the way it all came across was Bret was going to leave the company with his belt and Vince stopped him.
He should have mentioned how many years he had been in WWE without any real problems, how he would have dropped the belt the next night, just not in front of a huge audience of hardcore Bret Hart fans and his friends and family. He didn't mention any of this, I don't know if Vince simply didn't allow the truth (to be fair: the truth according to Bret Hart) on air or if Bret really didn't want to repeat all of this again. The way it was, however, younger or casual fans might have been left wondering what the "evil" thing was about the whole screw job, and didn't they want Vince to be portrayed as an evil backstabber?
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Jan 5, 2010 15:10:31 GMT -5
Vince had to have the last word. The kick was uncalled for. He told Bret he wanted to kick him in the gut, and I told my wife that slimeball is gonna do it....he did. Vince is a lowlife. It's still real to you, dammit?
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Jan 5, 2010 15:17:41 GMT -5
I actually was disappointed. Yes, I marked for the Hitman, but why didn't he really get a chance to tell the story his way? Okay, he wanted to "bury the hatchet" with everyone, so it's no use speaking about every detail of the screw job, but the way it all came across was Bret was going to leave the company with his belt and Vince stopped him. He should have mentioned how many years he had been in WWE without any real problems, how he would have dropped the belt the next night, just not in front of a huge audience of hardcore Bret Hart fans and his friends and family. He didn't mention any of this, I don't know if Vince simply didn't allow the truth (to be fair: the truth according to Bret Hart) on air or if Bret really didn't want to repeat all of this again. The way it was, however, younger or casual fans might have been left wondering what the "evil" thing was about the whole screw job, and didn't they want Vince to be portrayed as an evil backstabber? Because that would be completely breaking kayfabe. The way WWE presents the screwjob on TV is Vince ringing the bell even though Bret didn't tap. If they acknowledged that Bret was supposed to win and drop the belt the next night thats completely breaking the fourth wall and makes the rest of the show look pointless.
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Boomaga
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Post by Boomaga on Jan 5, 2010 16:23:37 GMT -5
Plus, if you read Bret's book, the honest truth is Bret didn't even mind losing the belt in Montreal, Canada. The location didn't matter, he just didn't want to lose it to Shawn Michaels because HBK was a drug-addled, disrespectful, pampered little brat who openly told Bret he didn't have any respect for him would never job to him. Hart would've gladly dropped the belt to Austin or Undertaker, but not HBK because at the time he was a real piece of crap drug addict and Bret's personal, although well-founded, grudge against him is why he didn't want to drop the belt that night...
But don't tell modern WWE fans that little factoid, or what other midget defender will they have to cling to?
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Post by Chris the Bambikiller on Jan 6, 2010 4:41:45 GMT -5
Because that would be completely breaking kayfabe. The way WWE presents the screwjob on TV is Vince ringing the bell even though Bret didn't tap. If they acknowledged that Bret was supposed to win and drop the belt the next night thats completely breaking the fourth wall and makes the rest of the show look pointless. Yes, that makes sense. Sometimes I just take it for granted that kayfabe is not a big thing anymore but that would really be pushing it.
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STMP
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Post by STMP on Jan 6, 2010 18:22:54 GMT -5
I checked it out on youtube and I marked like a little kid at a Marky Mark concert with special guest John Cena's cousin Tha Trademarc.
Damn I missed Bret. It's just a shame they butchered his theme. But just seeing him again was enough. So awesome, damn.
It's a shame he can't wrestle anymore but hearing that music and seeing him come out brought back some mighty fine memories.
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