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Post by celticjobber on Feb 23, 2010 17:52:06 GMT -5
I can't believe so many people seem to be taking the retirement stipulation so seriously. HBK will almost certainly lose, but he'll be back within a year or so. Retirements in pro wrestling are rarely held to.
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Post by hitokiri on Feb 23, 2010 17:54:27 GMT -5
I can't believe so many people seem to be taking the retirement stipulation so seriously. HBK will almost certainly lose, but he'll be back within a year or so. Retirements in pro wrestling are rarely held to. It might be because Shawn has been vocal about wanting to retire for a while now.
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Post by kickassJP on Feb 23, 2010 19:40:57 GMT -5
I can't believe so many people seem to be taking the retirement stipulation so seriously. HBK will almost certainly lose, but he'll be back within a year or so. Retirements in pro wrestling are rarely held to. It might be because Shawn has been vocal about wanting to retire for a while now. Yeah, and it will be sad to see one of the best entertainers left in wrestling go. I mean sure, the streak is the streak... 17 years of stories backing it up and building up to this. But I mean, i'd rather see as much of HBK while we still can before he's not capable of doing it anymore. Yes, he might return later on, but that'll still be a year or more of time that we could have gotten good matches out of Shawn.
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Post by randomranter on Feb 23, 2010 20:03:00 GMT -5
I can't believe so many people seem to be taking the retirement stipulation so seriously. HBK will almost certainly lose, but he'll be back within a year or so. Retirements in pro wrestling are rarely held to. It might be because Shawn has been vocal about wanting to retire for a while now. So was Flair. So was Foley. So was Funk.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Feb 23, 2010 20:20:52 GMT -5
Iam very much against anyone ever Beating the Undertaker at Wrestlemania
I will take HBK retiring over Taker losing at WM anyday..
Atm i can see this going Either way, But if HBK does lose no doubt we will get another "Leave the Memories alone" Style Raw the next night.
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Post by Robbymac on Feb 23, 2010 20:40:33 GMT -5
I think what people are missing is Shawn may still have one off matches here and there. Special attractions or something. I just think if he loses (and I actually think he wins) he's done as a regular performer.
Until Foley's TNA comeback he was in my book retired continously since Wrestlemania 2000. The reason being he was never at any point a regular performer in continuing storylines. They trotted him out to put someone over, but he never competed regularly.
Same with Flair. While he may wrestle a match in TNA and wrestled on an Austrailian tour, I don't think he's going to be a guy we see wrestling every week on Impact or on PPV's regularly. He's AJ's manager and might climb in the ring for a tag match here and there.
That's how I see Shawn going from here on out. They might bring him back out to have a classic match at Wrestlemania, or when [insert heel group here] picks on Triple H he may call in a favor from his old buddy for a one off tag match. I just would see his days of being a regular member of the roster as being over.
To me, that's a wrestling retirement.
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Post by Peeetah on Feb 23, 2010 21:01:17 GMT -5
Put me in the category of people who went from not wanting this to being super hyped. I just hate that JR isn't around to call it the fact that it'll be Cole at the booth makes my head hurt. I do think King will up his game though given the occasion.
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Post by Mark4HBK on Feb 23, 2010 22:32:19 GMT -5
This is a lose-lose for me. The match will be amazing for sure, but I'm going to be unhappy, no matter the outcome. As much as I wanted to vote for Shawn winning, I just can't see it. I've read too much online about how protective Taker is of 'The Streak'. IF 'Taker were to be willing to end The Streak, it would make sense to drop it to another future HoF'er; recent history has shown that the guy who this year would benefit from ending The Streak (ie: Lesnar, Kennedy, Lashley, etc.) often ends up not even being with the company two years later ... and then they've thrown The Streak away. Like I said earlier though, it's all irrelevant. Mark Callaway WILL retire with The Streak intact - probably in two years after he runs it up to a nice round number like 20-0. Shawn effectively announced his retirement last night. I hope they give him a send-off the next night on RAW like Flair got.
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Post by RealMattKozza91 on Feb 23, 2010 22:44:47 GMT -5
IF Shawn gets a "Flair" type send off the next night, it will be 100% more special cause Flair has pretty much ruined his retirement by going to TNA and wrestling on the 8th of march in 2010, I dont see Shawn Michaels ever going to TNA, he wouldnt ruin his reputation
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Post by MichaelMartini on Feb 23, 2010 23:00:21 GMT -5
A lot of you are unfairly trashing Flair's integrity. He's only wrestled 1 match in Australia. People come back from retirement to help out at their old company for a little while all the time. Have they tarnished their legacy?
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Feb 23, 2010 23:06:39 GMT -5
Taker needs to tape his fists and make Michaels's lose his smile yet again. That's the only reason I would want to see this match again.
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Post by Rorschach on Feb 23, 2010 23:59:29 GMT -5
I have this theory....see....I think either outcome ends up with HHH retiring Michaels once and for all.
Should Shawn win: He and Taker both end up with time off, yet all the while, a jealous HHH (and possibly still bitter about DX ending the way it did because of Shawn's obsession, to boot) takes potshots at Shawn on the air, and insists that HE is going to be the man....who ENDS the man....who ended the streak. Hunter badgers Shawn, and badgers him until Shawn finally does show up (around say...SUMMERSLAM?) and accept his challenge. In the meantime, Hunter will have won one of the World titles, and Shawn insists that it be career vs. Belt. A Hell in a Cell match. Of course, naturally, you'd want Shawn's true and final match to be at WrestleMania...but writers today have no idea how to stretch things out for six months, let alone a year, so Hell in a Cell is logically the first place this could happen at, outside of SummerSlam.
Should Shawn lose: Hunter will be hugely pissed that the Undertaker was the man to retire Michaels. He will proceed to follow the same general story outlined above, only badgering Shawn to come back for one FINAL match against the Game, one last hurrah at WrestleMania, so that Shawn and Hunter can steal the show together like they SHOULD have at this year's Mania. Shawn will refuse, saying he let Hunter drag him back once before, and this time, he's done for good. Hunter will then proceed to go all psycho badass on Shawn, maybe even going so far as to attack Shawn at his home, or at his church. Eventually it leads up to Shawn vs. Hunter at WrestleMania.
*shrug*
Just a crazy idea I had.
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Post by hbkjoec on Feb 24, 2010 4:07:58 GMT -5
I have to be honest, guys, what's the point of having the streak if it's never going to end? This is the first time in YEARS that I actually think someone might beat the Undertaker at Wrestlemania. There just isn't a point in having that streak if it won't end, it's just silly. Sure 18-0 looks a lot nicer than 17-1 on paper, but they finally have a phenomenal build to a match where they can finally end the streak. Still, it's really tough to call since they're really pushing the "HBK must win!" really hard, almost too hard to believe he's going to beat the Undertaker.
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Post by RealMattKozza91 on Feb 24, 2010 7:15:55 GMT -5
Alot of attention on this, this should be very special when the result is known
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Post by randomranter on Feb 24, 2010 9:06:56 GMT -5
I have to be honest, guys, what's the point of having the streak if it's never going to end? This is the first time in YEARS that I actually think someone might beat the Undertaker at Wrestlemania. There just isn't a point in having that streak if it won't end, it's just silly. Sure 18-0 looks a lot nicer than 17-1 on paper, but they finally have a phenomenal build to a match where they can finally end the streak. Still, it's really tough to call since they're really pushing the "HBK must win!" really hard, almost too hard to believe he's going to beat the Undertaker. As I've said repeatedly before.... 1) The streak is a selling point of Wrestlemania. While the IWC may have issues with it, one of the reasons many casual fans fork over their $60 every year is to watch the Undertaker win. If you end the streak, you lose the selling point and can never get it back. 2) In cases like this, people don't remember the X wins. They remember the one loss. People don't talk about the Patriots going 16-0 during the season, and undefeated in the playoffs. They remember the patriots choking in the superbowl against a team that they were heavy favorites against. The same thing goes here. It won't be about the 17 wins any more -- it'll be about the one loss. 20 years of buildup is gone the minute the ref's hand comes down for the third time. The mystique is gone. 3) It's become a part of the Undertaker's character/gimmick. The man has given 20 years to the WWE, and has put on countless 5-star matches. He took a temporary gimmick and turned it into a license to print money. He's been one of the top money draws for 2 decades now, and has remained consistently over the entire time. What harm is there in saying "Thank you" to him by letting him retire with the streak intact?
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Post by Brian Suntan on Feb 24, 2010 9:33:52 GMT -5
I have to be honest, guys, what's the point of having the streak if it's never going to end? This is the first time in YEARS that I actually think someone might beat the Undertaker at Wrestlemania. There just isn't a point in having that streak if it won't end, it's just silly. Sure 18-0 looks a lot nicer than 17-1 on paper, but they finally have a phenomenal build to a match where they can finally end the streak. Still, it's really tough to call since they're really pushing the "HBK must win!" really hard, almost too hard to believe he's going to beat the Undertaker. As I've said repeatedly before.... 1) The streak is a selling point of Wrestlemania. While the IWC may have issues with it, one of the reasons many casual fans fork over their $60 every year is to watch the Undertaker win. If you end the streak, you lose the selling point and can never get it back. 2) In cases like this, people don't remember the X wins. They remember the one loss. People don't talk about the Patriots going 16-0 during the season, and undefeated in the playoffs. They remember the patriots choking in the superbowl against a team that they were heavy favorites against. The same thing goes here. It won't be about the 17 wins any more -- it'll be about the one loss. 20 years of buildup is gone the minute the ref's hand comes down for the third time. The mystique is gone. 3) It's become a part of the Undertaker's character/gimmick. The man has given 20 years to the WWE, and has put on countless 5-star matches. He took a temporary gimmick and turned it into a license to print money. He's been one of the top money draws for 2 decades now, and has remained consistently over the entire time. What harm is there in saying "Thank you" to him by letting him retire with the streak intact? Because it makes better tv if he loses it? The Undertakers reward for his loyalty, and the payoff for the streak, is it all culminating in the biggest Wrestlemania moment of all time. I love Taker, and I'll be rooting for him when the day comes. But, in my heart of hearts, if it was up to me I'd let HBK end it.
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Post by BxB on Feb 24, 2010 9:45:06 GMT -5
I agree with randomranter. The streak is much more valuable to Wrestlemania than HBK's "retirement". I put that in quotation because hardly anyone has ever been able to walk away from wrestling, unless they are physically incapable. Shawn will be back even if he loses the match. The streak will be gone and so will be a lot of hype.
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Post by bitteroldman on Feb 24, 2010 9:54:21 GMT -5
HBK will lose; guys put their careers on the line all the time and lose. They're gone for a few months and then re-appear. Once the streak is broken, you can never go back.
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Post by dc09 on Feb 24, 2010 11:04:09 GMT -5
I... can't choose
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Post by TheDarkestKnight on Feb 24, 2010 11:14:31 GMT -5
A lot of you are unfairly trashing Flair's integrity. He's only wrestled 1 match in Australia. People come back from retirement to help out at their old company for a little while all the time. Have they tarnished their legacy? He wrestled more than one match in Australia, he ended up wrestling four. The problem I have with Flair is the way he has seemingly stuck two fingers up at the send off the WWE gave him, all in favour of making a quick buck. Call me selfish but the emotional investment in that match with HBK at WM24 is now lost, and the Raw the next night is made to look like a farce. Flair could have stayed on as an ambassador for the WWE and made decent enough money doing so. Instead he is now in TNA, about to job to Hogan again and from the footage I have seen of his Hulkamania tour shouldn't even be in the ring. He was luck Michaels managed to drag a good match out of him, as most Flair matches in the last decade have been pretty poor.
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