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Post by Kris Kobain on Jun 25, 2010 4:45:59 GMT -5
Aren't there going to be some jobber tag teams once we get the jobbers? Maybe I made that up. I remember The Janitors though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2010 9:43:15 GMT -5
All results have been sent, and I'm writing my match as we speak.
Deadline to recieve everything is 5PM EST Monday. The earlier, the better.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jun 25, 2010 11:24:32 GMT -5
Oh, the PPV is on Monday? Then, then I shall defiently get it done.
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Post by Jazzman on Jun 25, 2010 12:40:58 GMT -5
I wonder if my match stip will get chosen, and M knows the one I'm talking about
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jun 25, 2010 16:03:00 GMT -5
One last thing: I thought of an interesting conflict of interest involving Championship matches. With the exceptions of the Championship of Honor and the Hardcore Championships, DQ and Count Outs can skew the results because champions retain their belts in those events, but match finishes are not determined by votes, just who wins. I thought of two ways to address this: 1. The simpler method is that a DQ/Count Out victory for the challenger may only happen if they actually lose the votes. Example: Jazzman loses the IF Championship to BRB. BRB can win legitimately or he can be counted out or DQ'ed and retain the championship.2. The more complex method is that members must vote on whether the victory is clean or not. I would say that if the voter says nothing, then the default is assumed to be a clean finish. Example: If BRB wins the IF Championship and the majority of voters vote for a dirty finish by explicitly saying so, then BRB may finish the match in a dirty manner (BRB gets counted out, the MiB gets DQ'ed for using a weapon on him)I think that the first option is simpler and takes significantly less thought to do. That said, of course I wouldn't pull a fast one like that on everyone by getting my character DQ'ed or something because I technically lost, but I figure that the issue should be addressed with preventative measures. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, after all. How about no? Tie goes to the champion. Problem solved. What I mean by that is, no one loses shine on a DQ or count out, and since the challenger didn't win the votes, they don't get the belt, obviously. Why would anyone book a match a DQ or count out if they won? They should get credit for winning in that case unless they were controlling their own angle and needed it to end a certain way. It also is a good way to let everyone know that the results were a tie. It's not a broken system. No sense in changing it. That's not what I mean. I meant, let's say that the champ loses, but then the match is written so that they lose via DQ/Count Out and thusly they retain the belt. I'm not saying that the voting system is broken; I'm saying that match writing works on an honors system. Also, my first suggestion doesn't change the voting system; it clarifies the meaning of voting results. Now granted this doesn't mean much when the two feuding members are on the same page and agree to results, but I'm just saying that all it takes is one.
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Post by Viva on Jun 25, 2010 16:27:47 GMT -5
How about no? Tie goes to the champion. Problem solved. What I mean by that is, no one loses shine on a DQ or count out, and since the challenger didn't win the votes, they don't get the belt, obviously. Why would anyone book a match a DQ or count out if they won? They should get credit for winning in that case unless they were controlling their own angle and needed it to end a certain way. It also is a good way to let everyone know that the results were a tie. It's not a broken system. No sense in changing it. That's not what I mean. I meant, let's say that the champ loses, but then the match is written so that they lose via DQ/Count Out and thusly they retain the belt. I'm not saying that the voting system is broken; I'm saying that match writing works on an honors system. Also, my first suggestion doesn't change the voting system; it clarifies the meaning of voting results. Now granted this doesn't mean much when the two feuding members are on the same page and agree to results, but I'm just saying that all it takes is one. I'm confused. I was under the impression that DQ's were agreed upon beforehand or used in non consequential matches. Obviously, if you win the votes in a championship match, the champion who lost should not be able to retain. Right? It's quite clear I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. Is there a way you can put it so a dumbass like me can understand?
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jun 25, 2010 16:37:57 GMT -5
Don't be so harsh on yourself. Maybe it's just me being paranoid due to a misunderstanding.
My concern involves whether a champion who loses a championship match is actually compelled to lose the belt because DQ's and Count Outs are technical losses.
If the Tag Team Champs are voted to lose the match, them being written as losing by DQ or Count Out is a loss, but they would retain the belts.
As I said earlier this post, I might misunderstand this part of the process.
Could it be that a DQ/Count Out loss for the champ should not be written unless they won the vote for a championship match? Or can someone potentially abuse this?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2010 16:44:27 GMT -5
Don't be so harsh on yourself. Maybe it's just me being paranoid due to a misunderstanding. My concern involves whether a champion who loses a championship match is actually compelled to lose the belt because DQ's and Count Outs are technical losses. If the Tag Team Champs are voted to lose the match, them being written as losing by DQ or Count Out is a loss, but they would retain the belts. As I said earlier this post, I might misunderstand this part of the process. Could it be that a DQ/Count Out loss for the champ should not be written unless they won the vote for a championship match? Or can someone potentially abuse this? Typically, if it happens, it was previously agreed upon by both parties. I usually give full creative control to the match writer, only throwing in a few notes to further angles. Everyone here has proven to be trustworthy, and if someone was bending the rules, I'd be able to catch them pretty easily.
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Post by Square on Jun 25, 2010 17:23:40 GMT -5
The tie goes to Daniel Bryan Shhh. Disney will hear you and make Seth Drakin fire him. I just thought of something. We really need some more tag teams. We are like back down to two or three again. lol Heavy Metal Southwest Square/Hangman (We've seem to become a team in recent weeks) That's it it seems. Random tag team tournament, and see what teams stick
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2010 17:24:59 GMT -5
Shhh. Disney will hear you and make Seth Drakin fire him. I just thought of something. We really need some more tag teams. We are like back down to two or three again. lol Heavy Metal Southwest Square/Hangman (We've seem to become a team in recent weeks) That's it it seems. Random tag team tournament, and see what teams stick Hmm. If it weren't for Lethal Lottery being in August, I'd go ahead and do it. However, I may have another idea in mind after the PPV.
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Post by Viva on Jun 25, 2010 17:29:28 GMT -5
Don't be so harsh on yourself. Maybe it's just me being paranoid due to a misunderstanding. My concern involves whether a champion who loses a championship match is actually compelled to lose the belt because DQ's and Count Outs are technical losses. If the Tag Team Champs are voted to lose the match, them being written as losing by DQ or Count Out is a loss, but they would retain the belts. As I said earlier this post, I might misunderstand this part of the process. Could it be that a DQ/Count Out loss for the champ should not be written unless they won the vote for a championship match? Or can someone potentially abuse this? It was to my understanding that if you lose in the votes, you cannot retain your belt. I think Evil M would make sure that this is the case. If you lose in the votes, however, and you're writing the match, I see no problem with you losing due to DQ or countout if it fits your character.
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jun 26, 2010 3:19:35 GMT -5
I get what he's saying.
Let's say I'm the champ and I'm going to write my match. M sends me the results and I'm losing. I don't want to give up my title so I decide to write the finish as a dq as a cheap way to keep my title without getting approval from whoever beats me. That screws them out of a title win.
I think in that case the champion should automaticly be stripped of the title and not be allowed a shot at a title for a certain period of time. 6 months maybe? I think everyone is pretty honest about our loses though.
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jun 26, 2010 3:22:44 GMT -5
Oh and I'm going on vacation with my family starting Monday. I'll have my nephew staying in the room with me and he's little so I can't do too much because it will keep him up and we have long days planned.
I'll still be here for promos and match writing duties I just won't be around as often. I don't want anyone to think I'm abandoning the fed or anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2010 6:32:47 GMT -5
I get what he's saying. Let's say I'm the champ and I'm going to write my match. M sends me the results and I'm losing. I don't want to give up my title so I decide to write the finish as a dq as a cheap way to keep my title without getting approval from whoever beats me. That screws them out of a title win. I think in that case the champion should automaticly be stripped of the title and not be allowed a shot at a title for a certain period of time. 6 months maybe? I think everyone is pretty honest about our loses though. Well, the thing is, that couldn't happen. I make it clear in the results if a title change is happening(if it's not, I usually know), so if someone DID pull something like that, I'd rewrite the match myself, no credit to person who cheated, then just not give that person rematches or allow him to write matches for a while.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jun 26, 2010 12:27:53 GMT -5
does anyone know how long TTS will be gone?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2010 14:09:50 GMT -5
Ok, my hand has healed and I think I'm ready to write my next match.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2010 17:34:06 GMT -5
does anyone know how long TTS will be gone? Two weeks while I straighten some real life stuff out
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jun 27, 2010 21:17:34 GMT -5
Okay, so at least my concerns have been addressed. I get it now.
That said, I submitted Neo Het/The GotMa (good lord I like writing matches with him in it) and I'm about to put in a promo spot or two for the PPV.
I don't think that I will have the IF Championship match until tomorrow. It's been a whopper to write thus far.
Two outrageous matches on my part; wonder what everyone else got? Guess I'll find out tomorrow. ;D
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Post by Jackson "The Cool" Carter on Jun 27, 2010 22:38:30 GMT -5
Well Colt told me to expect something big.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jun 27, 2010 23:24:51 GMT -5
does anyone know how long TTS will be gone? Two weeks while I straighten some real life stuff out Good luck with that. Hate ta lose ya, TTS.
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