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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Dec 28, 2009 3:24:53 GMT -5
It was hard for me to buy Steve Corino or Justin Credible as ECW champion, mainly because the company was grasping at straws at that point for champions. To be fair Paul Heyman didn't think much of JC and was only given a title run because he had no chance of being signed by either WCW or the WWF.
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Post by tylerdrew on Dec 28, 2009 3:33:12 GMT -5
I had trouble accepting Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, JBL, and Rikishi as main eventers.
All but one of them proved me wrong. I think you should give Angle another shot he grows on you.
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Post by millionurkle on Dec 28, 2009 3:36:45 GMT -5
I had trouble accepting Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, JBL, and Rikishi as main eventers.
All but one of them proved me wrong. I think you should give Angle another shot he grows on you. I think he meant JBL.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Dec 28, 2009 7:30:44 GMT -5
Does anybody think John Cena's main event status seemed forced at times? I mean, the WWE hype machine makes him seem like he's this generation's Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin, when the whole time he was on top, WWE was lucky to get past a 4.0 in the ratings. He had a long slow build to the WWE title. He was so over in 2005 that it warranted putting the belt on him. People hate Batista/Cena nowadays because they've been main eventing for 4 years going on 5, so now people want new. Cena and Batista were the most over guys in WWE leading up to their title wins. Leading up to their title wins, fans started to turn on Cena by the summer of that year, and then it became full force by the end of the year. Cena was basically shoved down the fans throats, and they were forced to like him. The only hate I've seen with Dr. Thuganomics before his title win, was with the IWC. Batista was okay with fan support, though I remember him getting booed on occasion.
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Post by tylerdrew on Dec 28, 2009 7:52:30 GMT -5
I had trouble accepting Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, JBL, and Rikishi as main eventers.
All but one of them proved me wrong. I think you should give Angle another shot he grows on you. I think he meant JBL. Maybe he means Eddie.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Dec 28, 2009 19:05:10 GMT -5
Sheamus is a killer example. If you can't get heat from putting John Cena through a table, then you shouldn't bother.
Also, I disagree about Brock. The fans NEEDED Brock to win the title that night. The fans believed it. Marks and everybody else. The audience was saying who they wanted to win, much like with Sid in '92 and '97.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Dec 28, 2009 19:13:21 GMT -5
Jimmy Jacobs. ROH was at it's lowest point IMO when they were trying to push him as a serious title contender.
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Post by silentrage on Dec 28, 2009 19:22:01 GMT -5
Ric Flair. Keep in mind I was a child at the time and had no knowledge of WCW or the NWA. "Who does this old man think he is challenging Hulk Hogan?" LOL
Randy Orton - At the beginning of his run.
Eddie Guerrero - At the beginning of his run.
Shawn Michaels - At the beginning of his run. I guess most of these guys didn't sell it to me till way after they were main eventers.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 28, 2009 19:27:18 GMT -5
Hardcore Holly.
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Post by Black Swagger on Dec 28, 2009 19:34:30 GMT -5
JBL:Yeah the guy was an awesome heel and all, but he wasn't really anyone that I could buy into as the WWE champion, and not just WWE Champ but the linear champion. I was able able to put him in the same place as former champions such as Bruno Sammartino, Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart, Ric Flair, HBK or Stone Cold Steve Austin. Heck, I bought Big Show as champion more than I bought JBL as champ and his reigns weren't nearly as long. JBL was there just so that they can build up Cena long enough to put the belt on him. Seeing him as champ simply made me wanna change the channel.
Jeff Jarrett: As said before, I never bought into him as a main eventer. I look at him as some guy who made his own promotion so that he can be champion and in the main event whenver he pleases.
Rey Mysterio:Loved his WCW stuff, but never bought into him as World Champ. I felt this was just a way to continue to exploit Eddie Guererro dying. Plus they had him get trampled in non-title matches week in and week out which I felt made him look weak.
Some others I disagree with:
Shane Douglas:Maybe it's because I am from Pittsburgh, and I am a bit biased but I always felt that in the right environment that he could be a main eventer (ECW proved that). I think that it was the fact that he moved to the beat of his own drum that stopped him from being more than what he was.
Christian: I felt his TNA run showed that he can be a main eventer. He just needs the right guys to work with him.
Rick Rude:I felt that Rick Rude was fine in the main event. He was the ultimate bold & cocky heel, great ring prescene, mic skills, etc. I feel that he had everything that one would look for in the perfect heel main eventer.
Brock Lesnar:With his size & his look I felt that he was just fine as a main eventer. He came in there and blew through all competition in his build up and that was the only way he could've/should've been booked. I felt they did the right thing by putting that title on him at the time they did.
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Post by Cretinous Humanoid on Dec 29, 2009 0:13:37 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy, he was a bump machine but that is all he ever was.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 29, 2009 0:35:18 GMT -5
This begins and ends with Lex Luger circa 1993 for me.
I was a little Hulkamaniac in the early 90's, and wound up very confused when I saw that they were basically trying to insert Luger into Hogan's spot, as if there was no difference between the two, when the only exposure I had had to Luger before then was as the Narcissist and as a guy who'd show up on commercials for the WBF (I had never watched WCW at that point, not until a little while later).
Honestly, the move towards Luger was part of what drove me away from wrestling for awhile, only stopping back in to check in on how Bret Hart was doing in WWF, and how Hogan and a few others were doing in WCW.
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Post by corndog on Dec 29, 2009 5:01:47 GMT -5
Since this is in (w)Rest, I'll assume that it can mean from any promotion at any time, correct? Jeff Jarrett, WCW World champion. It's not that he's a bad worker - far from it; he's definitely proven he can have good-to-great matches - it's just that, for his entire career, his whole persona, from the look to the mannerisms to the way he talks (and that is not a jab at his accent, as I don't really think that matters; it's more that when he tries to sound threatening, it comes across as very forced) has screamed "MIDCARD FOR LIFE!" to me. He'd be fine in the upper-midcard, challenging for the title every once in a while, as long as he didn't win it. (unless it was a fluke.) Also, to a lesser f***ing extent, Shane f***ing Douglas in EC-f***ing-W. All of his f***ing promos involved a lot of f***ing expletives, his f***ing in-ring work wasn't all that f***ing impressive, and again, his whole persona screamed "bitter f***ing midcarder blaming other f***ing people [Ric Flair] for his own f***ing inability to headline a major f***ing promotion." Bear in mind, these are both just opinions, and I did eventually buy Douglas as a somewhat credible champion, but I was happy in a smarky way when he finally dropped the ECW title. I definitely agree, I like JJ as a midcarder but never bought him as a world champion. It was just something about him, he's good on the mic and solid in the ring, but not world title material. As far as Shane Douglas goes, amen to that. I thought he was credible as ECW champ, but his complaining about politics got old and even worse when he held the title for 6 months without defending it because he was injured and unable to compete. I have never seen a champ not get stripped of the title, or drop the title in the same situation. The good thing was RVD and Taz were tv champs for a good portion of that time. To add to the list I would say Rey Misterio. He is just too small and I don't find him convincing against big guys. I liked him alot better when he wrestled other cruiserweights, he could do so much more in those matches. His WCW/ECW matches were amazing. I really haven't been too impressed with most of his WWE matches. AJ Styles, I think it just has to do with his size. Don't get me wrong, he has great in ring ability, just don't think he is a main eventer, especially not world champion. JBL was another one. He was gold on the mic, his commentary was excellent, heck I wish they would bring him back as long as they keep Stryker. But his in ring work was just awful, and he was in terrible shape. Sure Mark Henry and Big Show aren't exactly skinny, but they are big guys. Bradshaw looked like a former wrestler that just quit working out, drank too much beer, only ate junk food and needed to invest in a bro.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Dec 29, 2009 11:54:28 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy, he was a bump machine but that is all he ever was. I think the real reason Jeff finally made it to the top wasn't because of his insane bumps. I think it was because the fans wanted it so bad for him. It was like Jeff was never suppose to be the top guy and it just killed the fans that he wasn't being given that shot. Now when he won the belt, the people were loving it. I think the title reign didn't do Jeff many favors, but I get why he was on top for a while.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Dec 29, 2009 12:44:19 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy, he was a bump machine but that is all he ever was. I think the real reason Jeff finally made it to the top wasn't because of his insane bumps. I think it was because the fans wanted it so bad for him. It was like Jeff was never suppose to be the top guy and it just killed the fans that he wasn't being given that shot. Now when he won the belt, the people were loving it. I think the title reign didn't do Jeff many favors, but I get why he was on top for a while. It made him the fifth Grand Slam Champion(in the traditional sense), forth if you discount RVD's reign as European Champion.
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Post by Woooooolhouse! on Dec 29, 2009 13:18:45 GMT -5
Sgt. Slaughter in his Iraqi-run. He was old, out-of-shape, and retired for a few years. All he could do was punch, ax-handle to the back, noogie, and Camel Clutch. Oh, and throw fire once in awhile. Being a fan of his from his AWA days, I couldn't see him as the top-heel in the company portrayed in this manner. Never fit for me.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Dec 29, 2009 13:32:30 GMT -5
Sgt. Slaughter in his Iraqi-run. He was old, out-of-shape, and retired for a few years. All he could do was punch, ax-handle to the back, noogie, and Camel Clutch. Oh, and throw fire once in awhile. Being a fan of his from his AWA days, I couldn't see him as the top-heel in the company portrayed in this manner. Never fit for me. He had to be the worst and most unprepared WWF/E champion right after Sheamus(at least Slaughter was a veteran at the time). The gimmick should've been kept to a midcard capacity. He did get major heat for it though.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 30, 2009 2:51:44 GMT -5
I had trouble accepting Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, JBL, and Rikishi as main eventers.
All but one of them proved me wrong. I think you should give Angle another shot he grows on you. BLAH beaten to it...
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Post by glory on Dec 30, 2009 14:06:10 GMT -5
Sgt. Slaughter in his Iraqi-run. He was old, out-of-shape, and retired for a few years. All he could do was punch, ax-handle to the back, noogie, and Camel Clutch. Oh, and throw fire once in awhile. Being a fan of his from his AWA days, I couldn't see him as the top-heel in the company portrayed in this manner. Never fit for me. I was going to mention this as well. Slaughter was not convincing at all. In a mid-card feud with Jim Duggan? Great. In a main event feud with Warrior and Hogan? Ugh. Undertaker, Flair, and Jake were much needed life added to a weak upper level heel roster in 1991.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 30, 2009 14:12:45 GMT -5
Corino, Credible, and (I'm sorry), Jerry Lynn as ROH champion. James Gibson, while initially odd, worked better.
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