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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 28, 2010 23:37:00 GMT -5
By the way, did anyone else notice the lack of a closing recap video? They felt it was more important to focus on Shawn leaving than the traditional video package. It should be on the dvd.
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 28, 2010 23:43:10 GMT -5
I hope Punk and Rey have an epic rematch at Extreme Rules. Maybe a street fight or something...dunno. But I for one DO NOT accept Rey winning as the end to that feud.
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Post by BRV on Mar 28, 2010 23:49:27 GMT -5
POST-SHOW THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS
R-Truth and John Morrison vs. Big Show and The Miz - It's been said time and time again, but I'll reiterate the point. Just as the match was getting going, and just as I was settling down and getting into it, it was already over. If I knew ahead of time they were only going to get 3-5 minutes, they should have just bumped it to the pre-show and given the 10 minutes overall to another match that could have used them. 2 stars (out of 5)
Ted DiBiase vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Randy Orton - This felt just like their matches on Raw from the past few weeks. It didn't feel particularly special or interesting, and at no point did it feel as if Rhodes or DiBiase had a shot of winning. This was the polar opposite of the Sheamus vs. Triple H match, in which the loser looked solid, even in defeat. Orton went over and left Rhodes and DiBiase in the dust. 2.5 stars
Money in the Bank - Wow. I just don't even know where to begin. I mean, this match just dragged and felt way too cluttered. Hopefully they learn from this and go back to eight or six competitors. The match also lacked the "it" high spot (Hardy through Edge and the ladder at 23, Benjamin through the ladder at XXIV, Benjamin onto the opponents at XXV). Also, there were a few moments with McIntyre and Hardy where the realm of believability was just stretched way too far with the whole "delay and struggle to grab the briefcase while my opponent chases me". Also, was Swagger supposed to struggle like that in grabbing the briefcase? Unfortunately, this was the worst Money in the Bank match yet. 2 stars
Sheamus vs. Triple H - Unlike the triple threat match, this was a perfect example of how to build a future star, even though they lost. Sheamus looked like a solid, main event caliber contender, despite losing. It could be argued that it was the first time in which he has faced an established main eventer and come out of it looking strong. The match itself was pretty good, nothing memorable, but by no means was it a bad match. 3 stars
CM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio - Here is the match that would have benefited most from them dropping the Tag Title or Diva match. If you give those additional 8-10 minutes to this match, and it goes from good to great. They were just getting warmed up when it came to a conclusion. A very good match with tremendous psychology, and both men looked strong, particularly Punk, despite the loss. One of the best matches in WrestleMania history that was short of seven minutes. 3.5 stars
Mr. McMahon vs. Bret Hart - A few days ago I said that this match would be "bowling shoe ugly". In retrospect, that was an insult to bowling shoes. It wasn't even a match. Hell, it wasn't even a squash. I knew it would be Bret Hart beating up McMahon for ten minutes, but I had no idea it would look so bad. The crowd really got sucked out of this one with the endless chair shots. Also, the WWE's no-blood, no-headshots rule significantly affected this match. I get that Hart is in poor shape physically, but this could have in some ways rivaled the WrestleMania XIX street fight between McMahon and Hulk Hogan. To even compare the two is an insult at this point, and this is coming from someone who plunked down $55 with this match as one of the two biggest reasons as to why I ordered it. 1.5 stars
Chris Jericho vs. Edge - Great match. Again, Jericho continues to prove that he is one of the best psychological workers in wrestling. From the mock Spear to working Edge's injured Achilles, this was just top-to-bottom a showcase as to why Jericho belongs at the top of the card and deserves his run as World Champion. The ending was a bit anti-climactic, considering how great the first 15 minutes were. The spear at the end was a fine enough way to give Edge his face pop. 4 stars
Batista vs. John Cena - I liked this match. I didn't love it, but I thought it was good enough. It was a solid big man vs. big man, hoss vs. hoss match. There were a few good reversals, and the drama was peaking as both men kicked out of each other's finishers. I think this feud still has plenty of gas left in it, and I'm very interested as to what kind of gimmick match they are thrown into at Extreme Rules. It wasn't as good as Jericho vs. Edge, but it was still a quality match from start to finish. 3.5 stars
Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker - It didn't surpass WrestleMania XXV, but were we really expecting it to? Each man is a year older, with 365 days worth of additional injuries and wear and tear on their bodies. We were foolish to think it could top what was arguably the greatest match in WrestleMania history. However, it was unquestionably the best match of the night and is the current front-runner for match of the year, with nothing so far within reach of it. The psychology was fantastic, the reversals and kickouts from each other's finishing moves was nothing short of breath-taking, and Michaels' moonsault onto the table was this year's "Moment". Undertaker's jumping Tombstone Piledriver was also the perfect way to end Michaels' career. It was the most violent and ferocious Tombstone I've ever seen, and it was just the way to end it. I half-expected Undertaker to give him an "I'm sorry, I love you" but that wouldn't be his game. I liked that Undertaker didn't want to finish the job, but the slap woke him up and he finished what he started. Phenomenal match, and if it really is the last time we see Michaels in a WWE ring (I don't expect it to be), then it was the perfect way to end one of the best in-ring careers in wrestling history. 4.5 stars
Overall WrestleMania grade - 3.5 stars
Ranking within the past five WrestleMania events 1. WrestleMania XXIV 2. WrestleMania 23 3. WrestleMania XXVI 4. WrestleMania 22 5. WrestleMania XXV
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Post by Melissalicious on Mar 28, 2010 23:50:06 GMT -5
Gotta say, my favorite moments of the night were definitely the following:
- Randy bringing back the RKPose (I marked utterly and completely) - Kofi using the ladder pieces as stilts - Vickie doing the Latino Heat shimmy - Undertaker telling Shawn, "Stay down!" and breaking kayfabe
Pretty great show overall. I definitely teared up a couple of times throughout (especially with the latter 2 mentioned above) and really had a good time watching it.
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Post by sam_III on Mar 28, 2010 23:51:31 GMT -5
The only moment during the night where I got up out of my chair and fist-pumped the air was when Orton hit the pose. It was glorious.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2010 23:53:26 GMT -5
I also marked out hard for CM Punk's GI Joe tights...Camo style with CM Punk written in the GI Joe font and the 3 red white and blue slashes that is a trademark of their logo
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 28, 2010 23:56:35 GMT -5
POST-SHOW THOUGHTS AND OPINIONSR-Truth and John Morrison vs. Big Show and The Miz - It's been said time and time again, but I'll reiterate the point. Just as the match was getting going, and just as I was settling down and getting into it, it was already over. If I knew ahead of time they were only going to get 3-5 minutes, they should have just bumped it to the pre-show and given the 10 minutes overall to another match that could have used them. 2 stars (out of 5)Ted DiBiase vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Randy Orton - This felt just like their matches on Raw from the past few weeks. It didn't feel particularly special or interesting, and at no point did it feel as if Rhodes or DiBiase had a shot of winning. This was the polar opposite of the Sheamus vs. Triple H match, in which the loser looked solid, even in defeat. Orton went over and left Rhodes and DiBiase in the dust. 2.5 starsMoney in the Bank - Wow. I just don't even know where to begin. I mean, this match just dragged and felt way too cluttered. Hopefully they learn from this and go back to eight or six competitors. The match also lacked the "it" high spot (Hardy through Edge and the ladder at 23, Benjamin through the ladder at XXIV, Benjamin onto the opponents at XXV). Also, there were a few moments with McIntyre and Hardy where the realm of believability was just stretched way too far with the whole "delay and struggle to grab the briefcase while my opponent chases me". Also, was Swagger supposed to struggle like that in grabbing the briefcase? Unfortunately, this was the worst Money in the Bank match yet. 2 starsSheamus vs. Triple H - Unlike the triple threat match, this was a perfect example of how to build a future star, even though they lost. Sheamus looked like a solid, main event caliber contender, despite losing. It could be argued that it was the first time in which he has faced an established main eventer and come out of it looking strong. The match itself was pretty good, nothing memorable, but by no means was it a bad match. 3 starsCM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio - Here is the match that would have benefited most from them dropping the Tag Title or Diva match. If you give those additional 8-10 minutes to this match, and it goes from good to great. They were just getting warmed up when it came to a conclusion. A very good match with tremendous psychology, and both men looked strong, particularly Punk, despite the loss. One of the best matches in WrestleMania history that was short of seven minutes. 3.5 starsMr. McMahon vs. Bret Hart - A few days ago I said that this match would be "bowling shoe ugly". In retrospect, that was an insult to bowling shoes. It wasn't even a match. Hell, it wasn't even a squash. I knew it would be Bret Hart beating up McMahon for ten minutes, but I had no idea it would look so bad. The crowd really got sucked out of this one with the endless chair shots. Also, the WWE's no-blood, no-headshots rule significantly affected this match. I get that Hart is in poor shape physically, but this could have in some ways rivaled the WrestleMania XIX street fight between McMahon and Hulk Hogan. To even compare the two is an insult at this point, and this is coming from someone who plunked down $55 with this match as one of the two biggest reasons as to why I ordered it. 1.5 starsChris Jericho vs. Edge - Great match. Again, Jericho continues to prove that he is one of the best psychological workers in wrestling. From the mock Spear to working Edge's injured Achilles, this was just top-to-bottom a showcase as to why Jericho belongs at the top of the card and deserves his run as World Champion. The ending was a bit anti-climactic, considering how great the first 15 minutes were. The spear at the end was a fine enough way to give Edge his face pop. 4 starsBatista vs. John Cena - I liked this match. I didn't love it, but I thought it was good enough. It was a solid big man vs. big man, hoss vs. hoss match. There were a few good reversals, and the drama was peaking as both men kicked out of each other's finishers. I think this feud still has plenty of gas left in it, and I'm very interested as to what kind of gimmick match they are thrown into at Extreme Rules. It wasn't as good as Jericho vs. Edge, but it was still a quality match from start to finish. 3.5 starsShawn Michaels vs. Undertaker - It didn't surpass WrestleMania XXV, but were we really expecting it to? Each man is a year older, with 365 days worth of additional injuries and wear and tear on their bodies. We were foolish to think it could top what was arguably the greatest match in WrestleMania history. However, it was unquestionably the best match of the night and is the current front-runner for match of the year, with nothing so far within reach of it. The psychology was fantastic, the reversals and kickouts from each other's finishing moves was nothing short of breath-taking, and Michaels' moonsault onto the table was this year's "Moment". Undertaker's jumping Tombstone Piledriver was also the perfect way to end Michaels' career. It was the most violent and ferocious Tombstone I've ever seen, and it was just the way to end it. I half-expected Undertaker to give him an "I'm sorry, I love you" but that wouldn't be his game. I liked that Undertaker didn't want to finish the job, but the slap woke him up and he finished what he started. Phenomenal match, and if it really is the last time we see Michaels in a WWE ring (I don't expect it to be), then it was the perfect way to end one of the best in-ring careers in wrestling history. 4.5 starsOverall WrestleMania grade - 3.5 starsRanking within the past five WrestleMania events1. WrestleMania XXIV 2. WrestleMania 23 3. WrestleMania XXVI4. WrestleMania 22 5. WrestleMania XXV Fair play. I disagree with a few of your points there, but I understand where you're coming from. I too felt the Bret/Vince match could have been done better...and that the Hart family turn should have come out of nowhere instead of being given away at the beginning. They should have (as Linda did to him in the street fight with Shane) had that "moment" where Vince is just gobsmacked by events turning on him. But instead, they blew the whole emotion of the match at the beginning. And as much as I've come to be against the use of blood recently....this match NEEDED it for the visceral, abusive, VENGEANCE reeking feel the announcers were putting over.
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 29, 2010 0:00:38 GMT -5
Anyone have the time of the Bret/Vince match? I forgot to time it twice. Just out of my curiousity.
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 29, 2010 0:03:38 GMT -5
What about Yoshi Tatsu winning BEFORE the show? Nobody talks about that? They did during the ppv. And showed footage of the pre Mania battle royale. And what did Yoshi win for being the last man standing? NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING! STUPIIIIIDDDD!!
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Post by Error on Mar 29, 2010 0:04:37 GMT -5
Anyone have the time of the Bret/Vince match? I forgot to time it twice. Just out of my curiousity. 2:Long ;D
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 29, 2010 0:12:18 GMT -5
Quick question....if those RAW spoilers were correct, then.... {Spoiler}What reason does Bret have to stick around now?
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Post by wahoowah11 on Mar 29, 2010 0:12:46 GMT -5
I enjoyed the WM, my school ordered it again. I missed the first match, but the rest seemed good except the divas match and I also felt that the Bret Hart and Vince match went on too long. But the main event was on par with last years match and I feel that on RAW there will be a ceremony.
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Post by ACG2x on Mar 29, 2010 0:12:40 GMT -5
I can't stop thinking about the overall awkwardness of the last few minutes of Bret's eterna-chairshots on Vince. Especially when he kept looking at the crowd like "SHOULD I HIT HIM AGAIN?" and got virtual silence, then went back to wacking away.
Even though Bret isn't very mobile nowadays, this one could have had both guys brawl outside and/or into the crowd for a while. I thought that was one of the points of a street fight whereas Bret stayed in the ring the entire time like a normal match. Just have Bret roll out after Vince and chairshot/punch him out there. It would have given it more of that 'street fight' feel I guess imo.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Mar 29, 2010 0:18:33 GMT -5
Anyone have the time of the Bret/Vince match? I forgot to time it twice. Just out of my curiousity. Keith had it at 11:09 on his rant.
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Post by ACG2x on Mar 29, 2010 0:21:16 GMT -5
Anyone have the time of the Bret/Vince match? I forgot to time it twice. Just out of my curiousity. Keith had it at 11:09 on his rant. I don't follow that so I wonder if he's counting from bell to bell or including Bret's mini-promo w/ the Hart family double-cross on Vince. I assume the former.
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Post by Error on Mar 29, 2010 0:22:29 GMT -5
MISSING TALENT IN WRESTLEMANIA BATTLE ROYAL, FORMER ECW CHAMP AT PPV AND MORE by Mike Johnson @ 12:55 AM on 3/29/2010
There was a production issue during Rey Mysterio's entrance that wasn't seen on the PPV broadcast. Mysterio was going to be shot into the air via trap door but the entrance wouldn't work. Mysterio crawled out of the hole onto the stage, which wasn't seen on PPV.
Former ECW World champion Jerry Lynn was at the PPV visiting.
Interesting to note that Ezekiel Jackson did not appear in the pre-show Battle Royal, which is somewhat surprising given how much TV time he received in the last year,
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Post by W?Y on Mar 29, 2010 0:23:07 GMT -5
This was one of the only Wrestlemania's I've seen that transcends match quality, because it was a true spectacle. Sure, some matches were short, or fell away from expectations, but in the long run, I will not notice. Every match clicked, because the atmosphere was there, and not since XX have I felt that.
HBK/Taker...
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 29, 2010 0:24:28 GMT -5
MISSING TALENT IN WRESTLEMANIA BATTLE ROYAL, FORMER ECW CHAMP AT PPV AND MORE by Mike Johnson @ 12:55 AM on 3/29/2010 There was a production issue during Rey Mysterio's entrance that wasn't seen on the PPV broadcast. Mysterio was going to be shot into the air via trap door but the entrance wouldn't work. Mysterio crawled out of the hole onto the stage, which wasn't seen on PPV. Former ECW World champion Jerry Lynn was at the PPV visiting. Interesting to note that Ezekiel Jackson did not appear in the pre-show Battle Royal, which is somewhat surprising given how much TV time he received in the last year, I had thought they had SOMETHING planned for that entrance. Interesting to know that THAT'S what it was. Considering his outfit...I'm surprised they didn't have a giant Na'Vi dragon for him to glide down to the ring on.
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 29, 2010 0:26:48 GMT -5
MISSING TALENT IN WRESTLEMANIA BATTLE ROYAL, FORMER ECW CHAMP AT PPV AND MORE by Mike Johnson @ 12:55 AM on 3/29/2010 There was a production issue during Rey Mysterio's entrance that wasn't seen on the PPV broadcast. Mysterio was going to be shot into the air via trap door but the entrance wouldn't work. Mysterio crawled out of the hole onto the stage, which wasn't seen on PPV. Former ECW World champion Jerry Lynn was at the PPV visiting. Interesting to note that Ezekiel Jackson did not appear in the pre-show Battle Royal, which is somewhat surprising given how much TV time he received in the last year, I had thought they had SOMETHING planned for that entrance. Interesting to know that THAT'S what it was. Considering his outfit...I'm surprised they didn't have a giant Na'Vi dragon for him to glide down to the ring on. Maybe that's what the parachutists were for, but that fell through as well.
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 29, 2010 0:34:47 GMT -5
Watching the replay now...Edge/Jericho has some very nice spots to it. That finish was pretty surprising, since I would have called Edge going over via SPEAR long before I would have thought Jericho would have gotten the dirty win.
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