josh
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Post by josh on Apr 21, 2010 21:21:24 GMT -5
What changed is media. In the past 12 years, the internet has exploded in conjunction with the focus of tv stations becoming more and more niche-oriented. What this means is that there are more avenues for people to find entertainment that is specifically targeted at them (or at least at the demographic they belong to). It's not just that wrestling is less popular per se, it's that the game itself has changed. A 3 now, relative to the overall average rating for all shows in that timeslot? Probably not quite as good as a 7 was back in the day, but I'd guess it's not too far off it. This as well. There were about 150 max available cable stations including the pay channels in 2000. Now, there are well over 400 options, and that doesn't include YouTube, Hulu, and the others. Again, I'd assume the number of viewers is surprisingly similar to what it was. Wholeheartedly disagree. You can walk out on a street or just bring up wrestling in every day conversations to see it's not the same as it was.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2010 21:24:55 GMT -5
I think a fair number of people lost interest in wrestling when WCW folded. There seemed to be quite a few people that had their favorite wrestling show (WCW), and then they'd go ahead and watch some WWF too. They hung around a bit during the invasion angle but when that angle ended up disappointing them, they left for good.
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Post by The Deadly Snake on Apr 21, 2010 22:41:28 GMT -5
I think there a number of WWF/WCW fans as well. I liked watching both WWF and WCW, but I watched the WWF first and foremost. When WWF wasn't on, I watched WCW. However, WWF screwed the pooch so badly on the Austin turn and then Invasion, a lot of these fans left too.
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Post by madness50 on Apr 21, 2010 23:20:43 GMT -5
I think there a number of WWF/WCW fans as well. I liked watching both WWF and WCW, but I watched the WWF first and foremost. When WWF wasn't on, I watched WCW. However, WWF screwed the pooch so badly on the Austin turn and then Invasion, a lot of these fans left too. I still dont get after almost 10 years why the WWF screwed up the Invasion angle so damn badly . Nobody wanted to see McMahon vs. McMahon part 456785100, they wanted the WWF versus WCW. Once again, old man Vinny's ego got in the way. I know the old bastard is known to be kinda tight with money, but he was a damn billionaire back in 2001!!! He could have easily bought out Goldberg, Steiner, Sting, Hogan, and Flair's contracts. Could you imagine if Goldberg would have faced Austin at Summerslam 2001 or WM 18, good God. Buy rate would have been through the goddamn roof.
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Post by The Deadly Snake on Apr 22, 2010 0:24:16 GMT -5
I think there a number of WWF/WCW fans as well. I liked watching both WWF and WCW, but I watched the WWF first and foremost. When WWF wasn't on, I watched WCW. However, WWF screwed the pooch so badly on the Austin turn and then Invasion, a lot of these fans left too. I still dont get after almost 10 years why the WWF screwed up the Invasion angle so damn badly . Nobody wanted to see McMahon vs. McMahon part 456785100, they wanted the WWF versus WCW. Once again, old man Vinny's ego got in the way. I know the old bastard is known to be kinda tight with money, but he was a damn billionaire back in 2001!!! He could have easily bought out Goldberg, Steiner, Sting, Hogan, and Flair's contracts. Could you imagine if Goldberg would have faced Austin at Summerslam 2001 or WM 18, good God. Buy rate would have been through the goddamn roof. It's not just his ego. The problem he pulled the trigger way too fast. And to be honest, a pure WWF vs. WCW only meant one thing... a clear wWF victory. Would Vince ever book WCW to win? EVeryone would already know the ending. Even if pushed his ego aside and booked it was a threat, he would never book it to win. I always thought a better WWF vs. WCW angle would go like this. The initial factions should have been WWF "loyalists", DX, NWO, WCW "Loyalists" and the rest of the roster is unaligned. Intially, the war is between the Loyalists. However, both factions slowly lose people. The "war" ends up devastating both sides, with wrestlers abandoning ship. At the same time, the NWO and DX battle each other. Hunter, HBK end up betraying DX (again), Hogan and Nash end up betraying the NWO, forming the Kliq, absolutely devastasting the Loyalists. It turns out that Vince McMahon and Eric Bischoff decided to set their aside their differences and egos... for the sake of money and power. The Kliq start messing with everyone. Eventually, a few new factions form: one under the Rock, with mostly of the Attitude Era WWE wrestlers, one with Stone Cold, who has joined in back with the ECW wrestlers, and one lead by Ric Flair named the "School of Tradition". There are still non-aligned wrestlers at this point (Goldberg). Tensions between the factions are high, but they hate the Kliq more.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Apr 22, 2010 7:23:29 GMT -5
Then the partnership with NBC. NBC does very little in advertising. They advertise Psyche and the other shows quite a lot, as well syfy shows like ghost hunters. But I rarely see an ad for Raw or NXT or what was ECW on NBC. A network that would bring in viewers. The problem here is that nobody watched NBC anymore. They are a laughing stock. They're not going to bring in viewers for RAW they way they are currently.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Apr 22, 2010 7:39:13 GMT -5
This as well. There were about 150 max available cable stations including the pay channels in 2000. Now, there are well over 400 options, and that doesn't include YouTube, Hulu, and the others. Again, I'd assume the number of viewers is surprisingly similar to what it was. Wholeheartedly disagree. You can walk out on a street or just bring up wrestling in every day conversations to see it's not the same as it was. I have to agree there. Plus, more channels these days has very little, if anything to do with RAWs ratings. If people are interested, they'd watch, and I truly feel the writers know they can do better if they wanted to. Those 4's they occasionally have are evidence.
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Post by lionheart21 on Apr 22, 2010 14:32:00 GMT -5
edge always claimed good ratings for the live sex celebration. how well did it really do in ratings? According to Wikipedia, the live sex celebration segment got a 5.2 and RAW as a whole got a 4.3.
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