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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Oct 15, 2005 15:11:13 GMT -5
I honestly don't see anything in that interview that would make me lose respect for him. I actually think he was alittle spot-on, except for 2 things.
Yeah, I disagree that AJ can't wrestle or that his matches are carwrecks, but Batista said himself he hasn't watched a single one of their programs. Besides, his comments on the stunts they pull isn't WAY fa-fetched from what i have seen.
I don't like the rebuttal of "Well Batista can't put on a great story, so he has no business saying that about someone else". That's BULL****. He may not be a damn fine wrestler, but that doesn't mean that he has no idea what makes one up. He seems to be alot into the business, I think he knows what he's talking about. The guy has falws. Hell it even says he was dissapointed with his feud wth JBL. And if you thought his feud with Hunter didn't tell a story, then I don't what to tell you. That should'nt meanhis assesments are incorrect. It's just opinion, nobody is right.
I don't agree wholehearetedly with the Hassan statement either. But he seems to be honest. I keep reading how Copani didn't really have a ton of passion for going out there. But I don't think it's his fault the character didn't work, it wad that damn outcry from UPN.
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Post by amsiraK on Oct 15, 2005 15:14:05 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time believing that Batista would have to worry about Bob Holly trying to rough him up. Me either, really. And yeah, I'm sure he'll manage to get upset at SOMETHING. That's what this was for.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2005 15:16:31 GMT -5
I don't think what he said was that big a deal, sure some people may not like it but it is his opinion and it's not like he said something moronic like other outspoken wrestlers
As well as enjoying WWE, I also enjoy watching AJ Styles and co. over in TNA (Do so every week), Batista doesn't. Unless he's planning to brainwash me into not watching TNA then why get upset?
Plus like Lucky said, if someone from TNA had said similarly disparaging remarks about the WWE, most people would be saying "effing right!"
And he was totally spot on about other stuff, even as a huge JBL fan, and a guy who digs Batista, there rivalry wasn't the most thrilling
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Post by Vice Squad: Strong Style on Oct 15, 2005 15:19:31 GMT -5
Copani had no heart... it was obvious, that he was more concerned with proving he could act during his promos, than putting together a half decent match. I do hope to see his finisher again sometime.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 15, 2005 15:41:20 GMT -5
My gripe on his TNA comment is that he thinks there's "no storytelling", which is blatantly untrue. He did say that the highflying aspect just isn't his thing, which is fine, but to ignore the storytelling men like Sabin, Styles, and others do is pretty short-sighted.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Oct 15, 2005 15:45:38 GMT -5
My gripe on his TNA comment is that he thinks there's "no storytelling", which is blatantly untrue. He did say that the highflying aspect just isn't his thing, which is fine, but to ignore the storytelling men like Sabin, Styles, and others do is pretty short-sighted. To be fair, they do have their share of great wrestlers, but they do have a lot of jobbers and guys who are just there who just go out there and go spot crazy. Batista's not the only one who's said this, Here's Rey Mysterio's take: The following are highlights from the interview The Lilsboys at the UK Sun conducted with Rey Mysterio. Extensive exerpts reprinted with permission from The Lilsboys. -On his ring name: "I always told my uncle, from when I was a little boy, that I wanted to be Rey Mysterio Jr. Then, at the age of 17, the time came when he prized me with that name. In America sometimes a name can be a gimmick, but in Mexico it was a real honour to carry on the Mysterio legacy. When I came to the WWE they figured that since my uncle wasn't in the company I'd just be plain Rey Mysterio." -On masks: "The mask is a very big tradition in Mexican Lucha Libre wrestling, probably 80 per cent or more of the wrestlers wear them. One of the greatest wrestlers of all time in the county was El Santo, and even when he died he was buried with his mask. A wrestler will only lose his mask at the end of a massive feud. If you've been fighting with a single wrestler for a long time it will come down to that final moment where it is mask v mask and, eventually, one of the wrestlers will have to unmask themselves. For example if my recent feud with Eddie Guerrero would have been in Mexico that would have ended in a mask v mask or mask v hair bout, rather than a ladder or cage match. -On losing his mask in WCW: "I was strongly against it! I don't think WCW understood what the mask meant to me, to my fans and to my family. It was a very bad move on their behalf. The fans wanted Rey Mysterio with the mask and losing it hurt me a lot. It was also frustrating that it didn't come as the climax to a feud with another masked wrestler, but in a thowaway match. The same thing happened to Juventud and Psicosis and psychologically wise it was a bad move by Eric Bischoff. I think the fans understand that I was in a position where I had no option - I either had to lose my mask or lose my job." -On his changing style: "I'm growing older, hurting more and gaining weight I need to slow my pace down. I can't do all the crazy and amazing moves I used to. The travel schedule is much tougher in the WWE, so we have to listen to our bodies and wrestle a different style." -On disappointing fans at ECW One Night Stand: "I wish I came more prepared for that bout. The fans came to see an ECW match and I let them down. We only had a certain amount of time for the match, which hurt us, but I should have known better and thought more about what the audience wanted. The fans wanted to see Psicosis in his mask, so that was a disappointment for them right from the get go. Then they wanted to see Rey Mysterio Jr doing the moves he did back in ECW, not the 619. It was a bad night for us. But I have promised myself that if there is a second ECW PPV I'm going to give the fans exactly what they saw in 1998 and 1999." -On Dominic: "We go through so much - being on the road and away from our families - it is sometimes hard for us to admit we want our children to continue our legacies, but I would love to pass on my name and mask to Dominick." -On TNA's X Division: "Vince doesn't want the cruiserweights to go wild with move after move. He wants there to be that psychology. I'm a big fan of the moves in TNA - which is what I was doing eight or nine years ago - but they shouldn't throw everything in at once. They need to control the excitement and leave people wanting to come back and see more. Also the WWE is all about characters, you've got to have a distinguished character for the fans to realise who you are. Once you've done that you can go out there and bust out all your moves and create your own personal style. Some of the cruiserweights still don't get that."I'd also add Quake to the list of guys who don't really get TnA. If you've ever read any of the threads where anyone asks him about it, he usually says something to the same affect of Misterio and Batista.
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Post by velvetvandal on Oct 15, 2005 15:47:57 GMT -5
I think the main difference is, TNA tell their stories in matches, while the WWE at the moment tell their stories in twenty-minute interview spots with the odd match in between...
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Oct 15, 2005 15:54:57 GMT -5
I don't know where they're getting the idea that X-Division matches don't have psychology.
Also, not to be a typical WWE-Hater, but I wanted to say this.
Yeah, Rey, it seems Vince doesn't want cruiserweights to do moves at all. Just get squashed by the big guys.
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Oct 15, 2005 15:57:37 GMT -5
Well that certainly was a very interesting read.
I would have to agree with him that there are some guys on both sides of the roster who seem to be mailing it in during their matches. Whether their hearts aren't in it anymore or if they're frustrated with not being pushed, hopefully they can once again find that passion they once had for the business, otherwise they'll be on the unemployment line.
Re OVW: Once again, I agree with Dave here. Mordecai and Kenzo Suzuki were nowhere near ready when they were called up, and while Carlito is somewhat decent on the mic, his in-ring skills are still nothing to write home about.
Re TNA: I like TNA. I've been watching their shows lately and for the most part, I like what I see. I wouldn't call their matches trainwrecks, but they do entertain me. Having said that, some of the matches do lack in the storytelling department. Not that WWE's perfect in that area, but I do think they're at least trying to improve on that. TNA could stand to use some storytelling too; it might make their matches even better than if they hadn't. And of course, it wouldn't surprise me if some smarks did rag on Dave for criticizing TNA and especially AJ Styles (calm down, I didn't mention any names), even though if it were the other way around, they would be screaming with tears of joy.
Final thought: For the most part I agree with what the big man is saying. I know there are some who don't and will bash him for how he feels about certain things, but hey, it's his opinion, and he's entitled to it.
ETA: Rey Mysterio was spot on with his comments on the X Division.
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Post by curtrok on Oct 15, 2005 16:02:49 GMT -5
i just read through the rest of it, he's lost ALL my respect I don't normally disagree with you siren but why do you think he's an ass? I can't really disagree with you until I know. What I would like to point out is that regardless of your opinion of what Dave said, he was candid. How many times in the wrestling business can you read an interview and not think it is colored by some story telling, gimmick or WWE politics. In any business the top guys are not going to like the work ethic of people who don't work as hard or are percieved to be lazy. Reputations are not like stereotypes, repuatations are earned. Lashley is awesome, imagine if he had been built up before his debut with some vingettes, had a little more time to smooth over some very minor rough spots and work on the mic a little more, he would be unbelievable. Again I respect Dave's candor and also agree. How many people in the business work harder for their company than the Undertaker? I cannot think of any he has put over countless, younger, smaller guys and I've never heard a bad word about him, ever. JBL and Batista had crappy matches, I have to agree again, they weren't stink bombs but Ricky Steamboat doesn't have to worry about losing his spot as one of the greatest workers of all time after a JBL Batista match. Some TNA matches lack story telling, as well as WWE matches. Dave mentioned that he saw clips of spot fests and wasn't impressed. He's entitled not to be impressed, doesn't make him an ass. Dave also cushioned his comments by saying he's not very familiar with the brand. All in all I read a measured response, that was fair and candid. Now why is everyone all upset?
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Post by Blindkarevik on Oct 15, 2005 18:07:58 GMT -5
Sometimes a person will overdo and blatantly make up extreme opinions in an interview just to make sure people don't think he's a company kiss-ass.
Something about that interview just didn't seem genuine to me, like he was forcing a lot of opinions and was answering the way he felt he was "supposed" to answer.
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Post by shacmasta on Oct 15, 2005 19:01:27 GMT -5
Too me. He sounded like a guy who answers everything as honestly as possible. And i can respect that. That was a VERY interesting interview. As for losing respect, don't know the man (wish i did, because he seems like a cool ass person) So it's kinda nuts to lose respect for a guy who speaks on how he feels. I bet everyone was loving the interview until he said something about styles and the poster boy of wwe employer cruelty in the net fans eyes, hassan. And the more i read about hassan. It seems like they sabotaged him and set him up to fail because they didn't like him. The guy sucked in the ring and yea his promos were somewhat good, but if you can't get heat spewing the crap he was spewing then....
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Post by GnarKill on Oct 15, 2005 19:09:20 GMT -5
I prefer to watching anything TNA has to offer compared to Dave working a main event. Hope all this crap he is saying will cost him the belt, ala London I get the feeling he'll be rewarded for this.
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Post by thehatman on Oct 15, 2005 19:26:37 GMT -5
Eh, to each their own. I would rather watch a Batista match than a spotfilled stunt match any day. I'm not gonna call them trainwrecks or say it isn't wrestling, but I can understand why Batista feels there is a lack of storytelling. I agree. Personally, I'm sure that Batista's reading a script in his interviews. Either that, or he always agrees 100% with Vince, and even when it's H talking about Vince, it still unsettles me how someone can agree 100% with ANYONE.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 15, 2005 20:41:50 GMT -5
Well, in those jobbers' collective defense, when you're only given a few minutes to go out there, do your best to make an impression, then lay on your back for three seconds, the quickest way to get yourself over is by hitting your best spots.
In that regard, I feel kind of bad for Jerrelle Clark at the moment. I saw the guy wrestle in ROH at Night of the Grudges 2, against Azrieal. They put on a GREAT match, using magnificent high flying, and some very sound ring psychology (if my memory is correct, Clark worked over Az's shoulder most of the match). Clark, being a jobber currently in TNA, doesn't really get a chance to show off how polished he can be.
I also think some people have to learn to distinguish TNA Impact matches with TNA PPV matches. Impact matches are, by and large, teasers for what you can get with a PPV match. The last few TNA pay per view matches I've seen were very, VERY well done, from a story-telling/psychology point of view, especially Samoa Joe vs. Chris Sabin from No Surrender, as well as Alex Shelley vs. Shocker (I know, Shocker in a good match?! Who'da thunk it?...then again, he WAS facing Alex-freakin'-Shelley).
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Post by sexualvanilla on Oct 15, 2005 20:42:19 GMT -5
At the very least, it's pretty easy to see that Batista's not afraid to speak his mind, which is a lot more interesting to read than a guy like Christian or Jericho saying there's no glass wall in the E
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Post by lildude8218 on Oct 15, 2005 23:13:04 GMT -5
I thought Snitsky was the guy who opens mouth and inserts foot?
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Post by EJS on Oct 15, 2005 23:25:25 GMT -5
BTW, who do you think he was talking about, mailing it in, and not working very hard? Chris Masters Randy Orton Big Show LOD 2005
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Post by skyday1402 on Oct 15, 2005 23:34:17 GMT -5
BTW, who do you think he was talking about, mailing it in, and not working very hard? Chris Masters Randy Orton Big Show LOD 2005 He mentioned Randy Orton as being one of the top talents on SD, so I wouldn't think he's one of them.
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Post by Lancers on Oct 15, 2005 23:36:15 GMT -5
Batista made rather disparaging remarks back when he was still on RAW that was directed towards Smackdown. He took a lot of heat for it by Vince, Taker and some guys in the back. Does he know it for a fact or is he assuming. If he's assuming, then pointing it out is wrong of him.
Here's the big difference between Batista and the guys he's probably eluding too.........they weren't getting (or ever will) receive the kind of monstrous push that Batista received. I think if they were mailing it in as he says, it might have to do with frustration over being passed over.
Sometimes, I wonder why guys like Nova or Christian stick around when they are clearly not seen as main event caliber players. Is it to collect a bigger paycheck? Likely. But EVERYONE in the locker room wants to be the go-to guy and when you're being overlooked continuously, it's hard to wanna go out there and give a 110 percent when you know at the end of the night, you're putting over a guy who doesn't deserve it like a Goldberg type.
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