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Post by plushtar on May 21, 2005 17:14:15 GMT -5
The Sith are an exclusive cult within the Dark Jedi sect. Search wikipedia.org for all of your Star Wars needs.
What I didn't like about EP III: Padme's acting. Darth Sidious running from a former Muppet.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on May 21, 2005 19:27:59 GMT -5
Holy mother of foreshadowing Batman!
Ok, just got back from seeing it, and I loved it. I agree with RD in that Lucas somehow managed to tie the entire series together. While the buildup may have seemed confusing and completely lost, the payoff was well worth it. I love how they constantly payed reference to the original. The opening scene further reinforced the idea of Anakin being a great pilot. Palpatine sitting on the throne...sorry the chair... in the same way that he is at the end of "Jedi" saying the same lines. The two kinds of ships looked like early models of the X-Wing and TIE fighters. How about when Obi Wan killed Grievos with the blaster, than made the comment about the blaster being "uncivilized", the same thing he told Han Solo. There was more, but I can't think of all of them now.
The fights were excellent, especially Yoda and the Emperor. Yoda was badass in this movie. Also, Anakin pulling his sword on those kids...scary man. The only acting performance I thought was bad was Portman, but then again she never seemed to get the role in any of the three movies.
As for the question as to why Leia is royalty and not Luke. Leia's adopted parents, I believe, rule Alderan, so she, being their daugher, would be in line to rule, hence becoming a princess. Luke, on the other hand, farmed water on a desert planet, with his relatives. No royalty there. Hence he's no prince. Basically, being the son and daugher of Vader had nothing to do with their standing. It was where they were raised.
And, like Blade, I would not do the ending any other way. That was perfect.
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Post by rdreynolds on May 21, 2005 21:30:56 GMT -5
BTW, I just picked up the new talking Yoda figure, and it's absolutely the coolest toy I've ever seen.
Play with it more, I must. 8)
RD
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Post by Not in the Face!!! on May 21, 2005 22:15:47 GMT -5
So I loved the movie. I was born in 1981 and thus consiter myself a member of the starwars generation. This one actualy felt like it fit the story the first two have the same characters but the question through both of them is how does this fit the story I know. I bet the first two are better after knowing the entire 6 episodes. That being said I have 2 problems with the continuity between the trilogys. Both have to do with age. Obi wan is young and verile here and yet a mere 20 years later he is super old. In this movie yoda kicks serious ass. He holds his own against the dark lord of the sith and duels tremendously. But we know he dies of old age like 25 years later. We also know he had plenty to live for (train luke for instance) so it wasent just a sacrifice like obi wan. So 900 when he died really old but 875 in this movie is the prime of his life. I loved the movie but this felt weird. I also did not think the wookie thing was forced. All the other Jedi take on the role of general fighting battles on different planets (we see it in the scene when they all die) Yoda just happened to be with a species we know. Just think of how crappy it would have been to watch yoda with some race no one cared about. because he had to be at some battle or else how could an attempted assasination have taken place. and why woulden't Chewie be there he is obviously quite a talented wookie battle so he would have a leadership role. plus peter mehew was back in the suit so who cares chewie rocks.
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Post by Mr. Zombie on May 22, 2005 1:01:59 GMT -5
I thought the movie was sweet, and I liked how the whole series was tied together by this movie. I think that they did a great job tying everything together, so well that it doesn't feel like 2 different trilogies anymore. I love through the epsidoes 1-3 how the Jedi are shown as being slow, outdated, and arrogant (no the Sith lord can't be here; we would have sensed it). Their inability to adapt after thousands of years of doing the same thing is a part of their downfall. I also love how they can't comprehend emotion and their complete lack of understanding of human nature. I also love how Luke, when he becomes a Jedi, isn't like this at all because he's like a clean sheet of paper, and the older Jedi tradition is no more. Just the fact that the Jedi were shown as not being these perfect beings was cool. I also love how them becoming too involved in politics, defending their government and less involved about the preservation of the force and peace is their ultimate downfall. My biggest question is this: when Mace windu is reflecting the lightning back at sidious....is sidious' transformation due to him being deformed by the lightning, or is he just using the opporitunity to reveal his true Sith self and trick Anakin into thinking hat he was actually being harmed, and to get sympathy from the Senate? Because no one else is harmed in this way. I didn't like when Palpaine starts talking about how his master knew how to create life
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Post by Mr. Zombie on May 22, 2005 1:05:53 GMT -5
I didn't like when palpatine sarts talking about how his master knew how to create life....at first I loved it, but now when I go back and think about it, it just seems frustrating. its the last film of the series, if you're not going to answer the question of who anakin's father is and what his true relation is to the story, don't even try and go down that road. Its the last film, and that hwole thing is really vague, and you don't really want any major quetions to go unanswered.
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Post by domon on May 22, 2005 2:03:51 GMT -5
I spoke with someone who read the book today, and there's a scene in there, and apparently it was shot and cut for time constraints, that explains a lot of the deal with Anakin...
[SPOILERS AWAY]
Remember the Sith master who could "create new life using midichlorians"? Well, apparently, Palpatine used that skill to "create' Anakin. Why? Well... the Jedi prophecy. By having a child born without a mother, they think they've found their chosen one. Meanwhile, he gets in a situation to corrupt the boy, and the Jedi will be reluctant to suspect him, since he's the chosen one, until it's too late. I really like the level of manipulation that adds to Sidious.
Of course, the same person also pointed out, Vader DOES fulfill the prophecy. After all, who kills the Emperor, and in the process himself, thus putting an end to the Sith? I dunno, I really liked that aspect of it.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on May 22, 2005 2:14:24 GMT -5
well, that makes sense. Although, if they were going to cut that scene explaning it, why not just cut the line entirely? It didn't add a ton to the movie outside of that fact.
Also, Vader killing the Emperor in "Jedi" takes on so much more now than it did before.
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Post by phentari on May 22, 2005 7:31:30 GMT -5
The academy didnt share that opinion, lets wait and see how they feel about this Star Wars picture. Well, yeah, but if we're going to go down that road, I respectfully submit that Braveheart blew the entire LotR trilogy out of the water, and did it without tons of CGI. The Academy has always snubbed science fiction, including films a lot more deserving than Star Wars. They're not likely to change that now. And, frankly, I don't give a hoot--I go to see Star Wars for a fun movie experience, not for Great Dramatic Acting (tm.)
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Post by rdreynolds on May 22, 2005 10:23:24 GMT -5
Well, yeah, but if we're going to go down that road, I respectfully submit that Braveheart blew the entire LotR trilogy out of the water, and did it without tons of CGI. The Academy has always snubbed science fiction, including films a lot more deserving than Star Wars. They're not likely to change that now. And, frankly, I don't give a hoot--I go to see Star Wars for a fun movie experience, not for Great Dramatic Acting (tm.) I totally agree with that statement. RD
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Post by jobber2thestars on May 22, 2005 12:28:00 GMT -5
The whole academy line wasnt ment to be taken seriously, I hope no took it seriously.
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Post by Not in the Face!!! on May 22, 2005 14:09:34 GMT -5
Just think of all the little nuances that change the way you could see things. The senate has been dizolved was a small line is now the end of palpatine's 30 year plan to take total control. The relationship between anikin and padme in ep one seemed kinda sweet now it is a major part of vader's genisis and luke who eventualy destroys vader is the main thing that turns him to the dark side. and of course Jar Jar being the first to give palpatine extended powers as chancelor. You bastard you ruined the first ep. now you ruin the galaxy you suck jar jar.
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Post by KR on May 22, 2005 14:11:34 GMT -5
Honestly don't care about Star Wars, was never really a fan - although I LOVE the lame dialogue, and I'm being totally serious - the "sand" speech from the last movie, "NOOOOOOOO" and "hold me like you did back on [whatever planet]" from the newer one. Therefore I forged this little number after seeing everyone jump on the "NOOOOOOOOOO" bandwagon: padme.ytmnd.com(reload after the sound and graphic have completely loaded to sync it up - use IE or a browser that supports embedded sound)
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Post by jhspooky on May 22, 2005 16:29:16 GMT -5
How did Leia become a princess, whent Luke stayed a farm boy? Luke was adopted by the farmers on Tatooine, and Leia was adopted by Senator Organa's family, which was apparently also a royal family.
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Post by jhspooky on May 22, 2005 16:33:02 GMT -5
Some questions. 1. Why is Leah royalty, and Luke isnt? Shouldnt he be a prince? 2. What is a sith? 3. Is this movie worth seeing? Real answer, not a biased Star Wars geek (not ment negativly) one. 1 Leia is royalty because she was adopted by a royal family, Luke isn't because he was adopted by farmers. 2. Sith are basically an evil cult of Dark Jedi. They were believed to have been extinct for thousands of years by the time Ep 1 started. 3 It's definitely worth seeing, even from a not biased star wars geek perspective. If you liked any of the other 5 movies, this one explains a lot, and is just a lot of fun, with a few slow points.
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Post by jhspooky on May 22, 2005 16:38:15 GMT -5
1. I dunno...never read the book to give a "true" answer 2. Sith is short of Sidius...the top heel in Star Wars who conned Annikan to be Vader To respond to these two answers, 1, you dont need to read the books to know that Leia was adopted by a royal family(Senator Organa) and Luke was adopted by his step-brother.. (Owen Lars) and 2, Sith is not short of Sidious. This one you might have had to read some of the books for, but the Sith have been around for thousands of years, although by the time of Episode 1, they were (mistakenly) believed to be extinct.
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Post by andre28bc on May 22, 2005 19:52:15 GMT -5
This is just an irk, but through epidoes 4-6 the rebels are still fighting the Empire that is control by the Dark Sith Lords (the Emperor Palppy Baby and Darth Vader) but yet at no time do you hear the word Sith in Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back or Return Of The Jedi. It was like Lucas just decided to make up a word in time for Episode 1, I dunno, its a really really minor point, but it irks me.
Also, when I worked for the big ole multiplex at Universal Studios in Orlando, we had a movie poster on the wall for, "Revenge Of The Jedi". How far into production did Episode 6 get before, as my mom use to say, "Light dawned on Marblehead" and they realized that Jedi don't get revenge, it's out of character for them, and they renamed it Return of the Jedi.
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Post by hobojoe on May 22, 2005 20:15:51 GMT -5
Though the word Sith was never spoken in the original trilogy, the word has been around since before Episode I. I don't remember where I first heard Vader referred to as Dark Lord of the Sith, but it was probably the same place I learned that Hammerhead dude's name was Momaw Nadon, that Dengar hates Han Solo for scarring him in a swoop bike race, and that Salacious Crumb is a Kowakian monkey-lizard.
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Post by THE Dinobot on May 22, 2005 20:43:50 GMT -5
The academy didnt share that opinion, lets wait and see how they feel about this Star Wars picture. \ The Academy is pointless to listen to and take seriously what a greta film, director or anything else. Case in point, the most well known fact is that Martin Scorsese has yet to ever win the award, while nominated countless times, other hacks who have no clue as to what they're doing takes his prize. From Raging Bull, Goodfella, Gangs of New York and The Aviator, and many more, he's never won Best Director. Sure, Lucas will never win said award, becasue he's not quite the best director, great storyteller though. And why did Peter Jackson win Best Director for LOTR? Total non-sense, he had 'decent' actors doing the worst dilivery and the most most of the movies just dragged along for way to long. I don't really expect Ep. 3 to win any 'major' Acadmey awards, except for maybe....maybe John Williams and the Special Effects stuff. Best Film, Director, screenplay are all out, but, I'd still take all three of the new trilogy over the overhyped LOTR flicks.
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Post by andre28bc on May 22, 2005 21:22:36 GMT -5
\ And why did Peter Jackson win Best Director for LOTR? You're right. He SHOULD of won it for Meet The Feebles Oh, and Hobo, do you know the answer to the Poster question I asked in my above post? You seem to be the go-to guy here for Star Wars related info.
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