Brain Of F'n J
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Jan 25, 2008 9:22:29 GMT -5
I noticed something on the first page of this thread: While a neat idea in theory, it violates a rule I have for Re-Writing The Book concepts: the "what if" question being posed must spring from a real moment where the outcome I explore is possible. We all know that Heyman would've rather set his genitals on fire then do business with the WCW organization (he hated the whole company, not just Bischoff), and there was never even a rumor of this happening, so that more or less puts the kibosh on this particular idea. Which is why you had Heyman buying out WCW because he "didn't want to see McMahon disrespect it" in your DX/Nitro RWTB, right? While, on the surface, that'd seem like a contradiction, I can defend myself on that one: The Heyman-buys-WCW bit in the DX/Nitro story wasn't the central issue. This was something that happened as a snowball effect, "years" down the line from the story's central question. And, in the narrative itself, it could be defended by saying Heyman also wanted to buy it to get revenge on WCW and, by extension, Bischoff, once and for all by owning it years after being fired (turning the "disrespect" thing into a kayfabe angle of sorts). Or Heyman hating the company, but respecting the wrestlers and knowing how Vince would bury them. But, in the end, it all comes back to Heyman buying WCW as being a side-effect of answering the primary what-if. Bischoff buying ECW, however, is unrealistic from the opening bell. There was never so much as a hint of Bischoff buying ECW, and nobody in their right mind could believe that Heyman would sell ECW to Bischoff as opposed to letting it go bankrupt. It just isn't plausible. Jed Shaffer ~Reminds me of an idea someone sent to me once ... "What if Trish Stratus joined the Four Horsemen?". Really. I really got that once.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 25, 2008 10:29:40 GMT -5
Also, you could have used it to continue the feud between the two, with each contending that they would have won the match with Shawn saying if he was given more time, he could have beaten Bret and Bret saying he had HBK in a sharpshooter when time ran out so if given more time, he would made HBK tap out.
Also could have continued the backstage politics war between the two. Diesel and Undertaker might have gotten involved. Owen Hart and Stone Cold could have joined forces against Bret Hart. Lots of possibilities and several years worth of storylines.
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Post by Hensley on Jan 25, 2008 22:32:47 GMT -5
I noticed something on the first page of this thread: Which is why you had Heyman buying out WCW because he "didn't want to see McMahon disrespect it" in your DX/Nitro RWTB, right? While, on the surface, that'd seem like a contradiction, I can defend myself on that one: The Heyman-buys-WCW bit in the DX/Nitro story wasn't the central issue. This was something that happened as a snowball effect, "years" down the line from the story's central question. And, in the narrative itself, it could be defended by saying Heyman also wanted to buy it to get revenge on WCW and, by extension, Bischoff, once and for all by owning it years after being fired (turning the "disrespect" thing into a kayfabe angle of sorts). Or Heyman hating the company, but respecting the wrestlers and knowing how Vince would bury them. But, in the end, it all comes back to Heyman buying WCW as being a side-effect of answering the primary what-if. Bischoff buying ECW, however, is unrealistic from the opening bell. There was never so much as a hint of Bischoff buying ECW, and nobody in their right mind could believe that Heyman would sell ECW to Bischoff as opposed to letting it go bankrupt. It just isn't plausible. Jed Shaffer ~Reminds me of an idea someone sent to me once ... "What if Trish Stratus joined the Four Horsemen?". Really. I really got that once. And you didn't do it?! I ask you, what's wrong with you?! That'd headline the Washington Post!
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Post by thepaywindah on Jan 26, 2008 0:52:43 GMT -5
I gotta say I LOVE the idea of the "What if Vince had been convicted in the steroid trial?" one.
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Post by lmagicdancer1 on Jan 26, 2008 2:09:47 GMT -5
What if the Undertaker didn't "die" at Royal Rumble 94 in the aftermath of the Yokozuna match?
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Post by rra on Jan 26, 2008 13:55:34 GMT -5
I've posted this one before, but...........
What if Vince McMahon did show up for Eric Bischoff's challenge at Slamboree 1998?
The dramatic fallout would have been, putting logistics & ego aside....the true WCW/WWF War.
So many angles could be done with this gimmick........it can be done that in kayfabe, McMahon appeared with a peace branch to Bischoff, to sign an alliance with his "Original" Invaders in the nWo against Vince's new adversary....Stone Cold Steve Austin.
Of course, is happening when the nWo split. Nash refuses to help this alliance, and splits off to his own group while Hall joins Hogan and the rest.
Its complex as hell, but ultimately this would conclude at a one-time only WCW/WWF ultra-PPV.....ULTRA-WRESTLEMANIA.........or MEGA-STARRCADE......where heel Hogan and face Austin brawl for the "Undisputed Heavyweight Championship"...which Austin triumphs.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jan 26, 2008 14:06:03 GMT -5
The only one I could think of is:
What if Bobby Heenan hadn't retired from managing? I mean it would've been all him when it came to Flair, Mr. Perfect would've been pointless. He probably would've managed The Beverly Brothers, perhaps Shawn Michaels (he did mention liking the guy a lot during commentary), and there's an endless number of other heels that he could've gotten his hands on. Then think about if he had kept going even after departing to WCW. Heenan and The Four Horsemen perhaps? who knows.
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Post by rra on Jan 26, 2008 15:43:25 GMT -5
The only one I could think of is: What if Bobby Heenan hadn't retired from managing? I mean it would've been all him when it came to Flair, Mr. Perfect would've been pointless. He probably would've managed The Beverly Brothers, perhaps Shawn Michaels (he did mention liking the guy a lot during commentary), and there's an endless number of other heels that he could've gotten his hands on. Then think about if he had kept going even after departing to WCW. Heenan and The Four Horsemen perhaps? who knows. Hell, how about as both?
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on Jan 26, 2008 17:40:45 GMT -5
I got a question, why did Heyman hate WCW? Jed said it wasnæt just Bischoff he hated, but the whole organization as a whole. WHY?!
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Post by rra on Jan 26, 2008 22:41:13 GMT -5
I got a question, why did Heyman hate WCW? Jed said it wasnæt just Bischoff he hated, but the whole organization as a whole. WHY?! Two Words: JIM HERD
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Jan 27, 2008 20:48:40 GMT -5
I wanna read "What if Fusient bought WCW?" That would be amazing. It would have the new WCW and guys like RVD, and who he would bring with him, and ECW would still die, but who would end up where? It would be a great war to snatch the ECW talent.
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Brain Of F'n J
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Jan 28, 2008 9:31:42 GMT -5
I got a question, why did Heyman hate WCW? Jed said it wasnæt just Bischoff he hated, but the whole organization as a whole. WHY?! Two Words: JIM HERD WCW represented everything that he stood against: an ignorant corporate mentality overseeing something they had no understanding of. Herd had no clue about how wrestling worked, but thought he was a genius. The bass-ackwards mentality of WCW as a whole, from Herd on down, made Heyman sick. Bischoff he hated for the acquisitions/talent raids in the mid 90's. Jed Shaffer ~Fusient buying WCW and Vince getting convicted are both topics I've looked at. Just need to find the right storyline.
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Post by The Panda Powered on Jan 28, 2008 18:43:44 GMT -5
I've got two (apologies if already mentioned):
What if Brock Lesnar had never left after WM20?
What if Steve Austin decided to work with Hollywood Hogan at WM18 instead of The Rock?
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on Jan 29, 2008 16:20:53 GMT -5
Jed, have you ever done "What if WCW did put WWF out of business?" or "What if Vince did go bankrupt in the mid 90s?"
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Post by KLRA on Jan 29, 2008 21:07:43 GMT -5
Jed, have you ever done "What if WCW did put WWF out of business?" or "What if Vince did go bankrupt in the mid 90s?" The Montreal one comes rediculously close to this.
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on Jan 30, 2008 3:16:28 GMT -5
Jed, have you ever done "What if WCW did put WWF out of business?" or "What if Vince did go bankrupt in the mid 90s?" The Montreal one comes rediculously close to this. Come to think of it, you're right. My bad. EDIT: Has Jed ever done "What if Hulk Hogan didn't beat the Iron Sheik in january 1984 and started Hulkamania?"
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Post by unknown on Feb 1, 2008 15:55:55 GMT -5
When is your next column and what will it be about, Jed?
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Feb 3, 2008 20:14:00 GMT -5
I mentioned the "what" a couple pages back: "What if Tully Blanchard didn't fail the drug test and returned to the NWA in 1989?".
The "when" ... yeah. I don't know. I'm writing it, but it's going very slowly. Maybe March? Not really sure. Depends on if it happens to catch fire or if it keeps being a difficult write.
Jed Shaffer ~If I force it, it falls apart. I've had too many stories do that lately.
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Post by rra on Feb 5, 2008 3:03:39 GMT -5
I mentioned the "what" a couple pages back: "What if Tully Blanchard didn't fail the drug test and returned to the NWA in 1989?". The "when" ... yeah. I don't know. I'm writing it, but it's going very slowly. Maybe March? Not really sure. Depends on if it happens to catch fire or if it keeps being a difficult write. Jed Shaffer ~If I force it, it falls apart. I've had too many stories do that lately. You know, for fun, you should post a special RTB edition....but more or less a glorified rant of how you would book WWE...who you would keep, push, depush, bury, release, sign up, etc.... I'm sure folks would dig to read it, if in a fun passing sort of way, like your Christmas random bag was.
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Brain Of F'n J
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Feb 5, 2008 9:18:20 GMT -5
Would people really want to read that? Would seem to me like just another grumpy smark saying how he knew better then the guys who did it for a living.
I don't know ... friends and readers? Opinions?
Jed Shaffer ~Seize the opportunity. I don't normally throw it out like this.
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