Brain Of F'n J
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Aug 3, 2010 19:18:09 GMT -5
You'll have to pardon me when I talk about the Mr. McMahon character, Jed. I found little to no use for him, really, or the family either. Vince was at least a halfway decent heel, which I could appreciate, if not approve of. But the rest of them...........well, that's why I quit watching. I enjoyed him for a time. Like anything in wrestling, it got old, and before they realized it, they'd run it into the ground. But at the time, I was fine with Vince. If you didn't like him, hey, more power to you. But for the story, I felt he was integral. I never claim my stories are what WOULD have happened. Only what MIGHT have. They're fun, not fact or opinion. Which is why I won't defend them like an opinion. I'll explain my decisions and motivations, but if someone has a bone to pick with them, that's their call. I kept the McMahon family drama in there because it fit the booking style, and it fit the scenario. Russo's booking had lots of McMahon in it, so, I used it the same effect. Agreed, a little McMahon goes a long way for the most part ... but at the time, the McMahons played a huge role in the storyline, so to remove them would've just not made sense. With Bearer, there was no need to take him out. Roberts was the Higher Power, but Bearer was still Undertaker's mentor and father to his half-brother. True, he's a bit extraneous as far as a mouthpiece goes, but he fills a role Jake doesn't: the slimy, helpless weasel. Strangely enough, this very early story, while I like the overall outcome and the angle decisions it went through, the overall execution ... yeah, you can tell it was my second story. Very different narrative flow. Choppy. Inelegant. Jed Shaffer ~If Jake could've stayed sober, we could've had another DECADE of awesome work from him, at least. I really disliked the supernatural stuff, especially with a key part of the face's side in the actual storyline that the supernatural crap was well, crap. Actually treating it like it was real totally turned me off. They treated it like it was real. I saw no reason to deviate. Sure, WE know it's garbage, and I always shook my head when Undertaker would "control" lightning or Kae would "control" fire. But if I suddenly grounded the story in reality and took away the supernatural element, it wouldn't be true to the era of the story. Russo loved his overbooked soap opera crap. Jed Shaffer ~I also forgot the Trilateral Commission. I don't wanna make THAT many enemies but outing all these conspiracies! |
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Post by garretta on Aug 3, 2010 20:28:23 GMT -5
Actually, Jed, in these stories you write McMahon more believably than he acted at times. You try to portray him as a serious heel, and you succeed. I think he got caught up in being on TV at times and was more than a bit hammy, which lessened his imnpact. If he's played it straight evil, he might have gotten over better. Check out his work in Memphis for the USWA circa 1993 on YouTube and you'll see what I mean. He was tremendous, because you felt he was real, not some silly caricature that was trying to win the Academy Award.
Checked out another of your random what-ifs just now; the one with Warrior on The $25,000 Pyramid. Absolutely tremendous, and the Warior would be exactly the type of guy to do that on national TV (although not quite to that extent, obviously).
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Aug 3, 2010 21:38:21 GMT -5
Dumb luck? Yeah, certainly wasn't the intention.
Those comedy what-ifs were good fun. I wish I knew how I wrote them. I've tried, and I can't recapture the feel of them. I think it's because when I wrote them the first time, I just didn't care, so the humor was natural. When you TRY to be funny ... well, you can cue the Price Is Right fail music.
Jed Shaffer
~I'd love to see if the guys can bring the funny ...
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Post by mrjl on Aug 3, 2010 22:09:39 GMT -5
You'll have to pardon me when I talk about the Mr. McMahon character, Jed. I found little to no use for him, really, or the family either. Vince was at least a halfway decent heel, which I could appreciate, if not approve of. But the rest of them...........well, that's why I quit watching. I enjoyed him for a time. Like anything in wrestling, it got old, and before they realized it, they'd run it into the ground. But at the time, I was fine with Vince. If you didn't like him, hey, more power to you. But for the story, I felt he was integral. I never claim my stories are what WOULD have happened. Only what MIGHT have. They're fun, not fact or opinion. Which is why I won't defend them like an opinion. I'll explain my decisions and motivations, but if someone has a bone to pick with them, that's their call. I really disliked the supernatural stuff, especially with a key part of the face's side in the actual storyline that the supernatural crap was well, crap. Actually treating it like it was real totally turned me off. They treated it like it was real. I saw no reason to deviate. Sure, WE know it's garbage, and I always shook my head when Undertaker would "control" lightning or Kae would "control" fire. But if I suddenly grounded the story in reality and took away the supernatural element, it wouldn't be true to the era of the story. Russo loved his overbooked soap opera crap. Jed Shaffer ~I also forgot the Trilateral Commission. I don't wanna make THAT many enemies but outing all these conspiracies![/quote] This was around the time people complained about Undertaker getting caught up in his character and Ken Shamrock actually called him Mark on TV. That's not treating it as real. |
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Post by angryauthor on Aug 4, 2010 15:44:47 GMT -5
Jed Shaffer ~I'd love to see if the guys can bring the funny ... Remember when I was talking about my "What If..RD and Blade held that wrestling show" april fool's story, which I refused to send because how much I hated it? So uh, yeah. I can send you that if you ever want to weep openly at how bad it is. Got another April Fool's idea, so maybe that one will work. |
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Post by simongr81 on Aug 6, 2010 10:12:04 GMT -5
Jed Shaffer ~I'd love to see if the guys can bring the funny ... Oh I can bring funny... And part 3 is up  . |
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Post by mrjl on Aug 6, 2010 17:32:14 GMT -5
Couple of ideas with a basic plot but I don't have anywhere near the skill to write them.
What if Vader had beaten Sid to earn a WWF Title shot at Survivor Series 96?
Vader beats Shawn for the belt, just like Sid did. But he retains at the Rumble. Of course there's a different fourth man in the Royal Rumble's final four where Austin still cheats. Shawn and Sid never have their falling out. Shawn never fakes a knee injury.
At Wrestlemania 13 the main matches are: Vader vs Undertaker for the WWF title. Shawn and Sid vs Owen and Bulldog for the Tag titles. Mankind vs Rocky Maivia for the Intercontinental title. Austin vs Bret in an I quit match.
What if Scott Hall had actually joined the Wolfpac?
I think with the actual Outsiders remaining as a team Sting and Luger stay away. Bret offically joins the nWo because he views it as an extension of the Clique and he uses the fans cheering of the Wolfpac to turn nWo Hollywood into a Hart Foundation type group where in the members eyes the fans are the heels.
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Post by angryauthor on Aug 6, 2010 18:01:50 GMT -5
Bret offically joins the nWo because he views it as an extension of the Clique Unless I'm dramatically misunderstanding your meaning, I think you're presenting an idea that makes no sense. Both in and out of character, Bret hated the Clique. And I personally won't be doing anything Wolfpac related, I got my fill of that with the Sting story. |
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Post by mrjl on Aug 6, 2010 18:10:56 GMT -5
Bret offically joins the nWo because he views it as an extension of the Clique Unless I'm dramatically misunderstanding your meaning, I think you're presenting an idea that makes no sense. Both in and out of character, Bret hated the Clique. And I personally won't be doing anything Wolfpac related, I got my fill of that with the Sting story. Bret officially joins the nWo because he feels the Wolfpac is an extension of the Clique. |
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Post by simongr81 on Aug 7, 2010 0:08:08 GMT -5
Unless I'm dramatically misunderstanding your meaning, I think you're presenting an idea that makes no sense. Both in and out of character, Bret hated the Clique. And I personally won't be doing anything Wolfpac related, I got my fill of that with the Sting story. Bret officially joins the nWo because he feels the Wolfpac is an extension of the Clique. JL means nWo Hollywood/ Black and White to oppose nWo WolfPac. As I think having a babyface, pro WCW, nWo clique was a bad idea, I will not be doing that. |
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Post by angryauthor on Aug 7, 2010 4:49:26 GMT -5
Unless I'm dramatically misunderstanding your meaning, I think you're presenting an idea that makes no sense. Both in and out of character, Bret hated the Clique. And I personally won't be doing anything Wolfpac related, I got my fill of that with the Sting story. Bret officially joins the nWo because he feels the Wolfpac is an extension of the Clique. Okay, that makes more sense. I think that an nWo divide was a bad idea, unless you're only going to split a member or two of it of. I would have just booked Hall and Nash declaring themselves outsiders, and had the nWo fighting them, while still trying to fend off Sting and the like, not only without their biggest guns, but with their biggest guns turned on them. At the same time, Hall and Nash, while fighting against the nWo, aren't exactly on good terms with the rest of WCW, so there's a good source of tension there. A good writer could get some real mileage out of that, I bet. |
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Post by mlsq42 on Aug 7, 2010 23:00:04 GMT -5
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Did you just insult your own writing ability?
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Post by simongr81 on Aug 9, 2010 15:04:29 GMT -5
Just thought of a potential idea: What if the first Gulf War didn't happen? Sgt. Slaughter probably would not go to the WWF due to bad blood with McMahon and would probably wind up in WCW as a babyface. This would lead to whole new angles and would change both federations' dynamics. Would Hogan-Warrior II happen at Wrestlemania VII instead of Halloween Havoc 98?
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Post by garretta on Aug 10, 2010 6:04:01 GMT -5
Another possibility for you, Simon, since you seem to be Mr. Old School to Neil's Mr. New School:
What if the crowd had reacted the right way on that fateful night in 1986 and Vince had greenlighted the Hogan-Jake feud? Would they have sold out the Silverdome? Does Andre ever get a big PPV main event? Would they have put the belt on Jake, and if so, what would the title reign have been like?
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Post by simongr81 on Aug 10, 2010 13:27:32 GMT -5
What if Eddie Gilbert were the Black Scorpion? He'd been in WCW, he had managed the Blade Runners. It could have worked. Ya know, that may be the most entertaining AND realistic solution I've ever heard. Well done. Jed Shaffer ~I believe, however, Neil and Simon have full dockets ... but I encourage harassment and bribes. ;D And I agree totally with Jed on this. Kudos. FYI, I wanted to wait until my latest story started to comment on this for an obvious reason. FYI, I had already started it and it had been in the planning stages, as Jed can verify for months when you posted this. It both shows just how great of a performer Eddie Gilbert was and how you can never underestimate the power of coincidence. |
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Post by garretta on Aug 10, 2010 14:17:00 GMT -5
So are you saying that the Eddie-Black Scorpion story is next, or that you decided to go with your current storyline instead?
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Post by simongr81 on Aug 10, 2010 15:25:40 GMT -5
I don't currently plan on using Eddie as the Scorpion. I just found it a major coincidence that as I was writing a story very suited for Eddie Gilbert, JL suggested him for a maybe more suitable storyline. It's not like it's Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels whom stories about are suggested regularly.
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Post by garretta on Aug 10, 2010 15:51:16 GMT -5
Understood. What do you think of my Jake suggestion above?
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Post by SAJ Forth on Aug 10, 2010 16:25:51 GMT -5
Just thought of a potential idea: What if the first Gulf War didn't happen? Sgt. Slaughter probably would not go to the WWF due to bad blood with McMahon and would probably wind up in WCW as a babyface. This would lead to whole new angles and would change both federations' dynamics. Would Hogan-Warrior II happen at Wrestlemania VII instead of Halloween Havoc 98? I like this idea. |
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Post by simongr81 on Aug 10, 2010 16:29:52 GMT -5
Understood. What do you think of my Jake suggestion above? Has prospects. Need to do more research. What happened or was supposed to that fateful night? Just thought of a potential idea: What if the first Gulf War didn't happen? Sgt. Slaughter probably would not go to the WWF due to bad blood with McMahon and would probably wind up in WCW as a babyface. This would lead to whole new angles and would change both federations' dynamics. Would Hogan-Warrior II happen at Wrestlemania VII instead of Halloween Havoc 98? I like this idea. Thank you |
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