Lancers
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Post by Lancers on May 21, 2010 1:00:04 GMT -5
I loved Koko B. Ware as a kid. I used to hate how they would job him out to anyone with a pulse. What was even worse when they teamed him with Owen and they used to wear those pastel Hammerpants. People can bitch about stonewashed jeans or Zubaz all they want, pastel Hammerpants are a dreadful clothing decision in any way, shape or form.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on May 21, 2010 4:18:17 GMT -5
One thing that still gets me: The guy in the WWF back then with the most brutal looking finisher was Koko B. Ware of all people. Go figure.
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Post by poontangler on May 21, 2010 14:51:31 GMT -5
I was just thinking about the whole Ghostbuster thing...it actually breaks the rule of a good finisher. A finisher should be able to be used on ANY opponent, regardless of size. Koko wasn't a very big man, so I doubt he'd have been able to use it on larger opponents.
That said, it was pretty cool.
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Post by lildude8218 on May 21, 2010 15:21:45 GMT -5
Dude was a bona fide main-eventer. And if you don't believe me, check this out... Nice find...but in the old NWA territories, a lot of lesser deserved people got main events with Flair. And it figures Dusty got himself thrown in there too. That's how it worked everywhere. Hell, look at how many guys Hogan defended the belt against on house shows. Pretty much everyone short of Ron Bass and The Rougeaus.
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Post by poontangler on May 21, 2010 22:22:12 GMT -5
Nice find...but in the old NWA territories, a lot of lesser deserved people got main events with Flair. And it figures Dusty got himself thrown in there too. That's how it worked everywhere. Hell, look at how many guys Hogan defended the belt against on house shows. Pretty much everyone short of Ron Bass and The Rougeaus. That's not entirely true. Hogan would tend to do cycles against who the WWF pushed as the top contender between his more established programs, usually against big men like Sika, Kamala and Killer Khan. Regardless, it all came down to who Vince wanted Hogan to face, and Vince alone. In the NWA's case, there were a pile of different smaller promotions, each pushing a different guy. Many of these territories didn't have a whole lot of true "top" talents which lead to Flair working with some less-than-main-event caliber opponents. Regionally, they may have been big, but in the grand scheme of things, they wouldn't (and many didn't) make a dent in the WWF. Flair himself mentions this in his book (Chapters 8 & 9 detail this). Politics also had a big part in this, as if a particular territory owner didn't like the champion, they'd put him with undercard guys to undermine him in an effort to push their chosen one into the championship. Hogan wasn't wrestling Rufus R. Jones. Flair was, and many times in 60 minute draws! I'm not saying Hogan only fought HOF guys, but most of them were far and away considered bigger stars based on fan perception. And this is coming from a huge Flair fan who hates all things Hogan.
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Post by bigjohnstudd on May 22, 2010 18:57:19 GMT -5
Hogan wasn't wrestling Rufus R. Jones. Flair was, and many times in 60 minute draws! Hey Hogan did face Rusty Brooks on Championship Wrestling in '86!
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Post by poontangler on May 23, 2010 1:31:14 GMT -5
Hogan wasn't wrestling Rufus R. Jones. Flair was, and many times in 60 minute draws! Hey Hogan did face Rusty Brooks on Championship Wrestling in '86! Yep. One match, to set up a King Kong Bundy attack (and NOT a title defense). Flair regularly wrestled jobbers on television for years. Point is, Flair (and most NWA champs) fought many lesser quality stars, and KoKo was one of them. I don't want to seem like I dislike KoKo, because I don't. He just wasn't main event caliber. Thanks for reminding me of Brooks' name...I did want to bring that match up, but for the life of me, I couldn't come up with his name.
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TuneinTokyo
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Post by TuneinTokyo on May 23, 2010 18:47:45 GMT -5
I never liked him.
And I hate when a wrestler makes a word with his name. B. Ware. That's enough for me. Next.
And the flapping his wings then getting his ass handed to him was almost justifiable.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on May 23, 2010 21:42:22 GMT -5
I thought he was a pretty good heel at times in Memphis during the early '80s.
And Koko didn't have the "B." in his name until he got to WWF, right? Pretty sure that was all Vince.
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Post by poontangler on May 23, 2010 22:40:49 GMT -5
I thought he was a pretty good heel at times in Memphis during the early '80s. And Koko didn't have the "B." in his name until he got to WWF, right? Pretty sure that was all Vince. That's apparently the case. I didn't realize that. I guess you learn something new everyday in the world of wrestling. I also didn't realize that he was Sweet Brown Sugar. At that time, I'd only read about SBS in the old Apter mags, so never had a reason to make the connection.
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Post by Kris Kobain on May 24, 2010 5:53:16 GMT -5
I thought he was a pretty good heel at times in Memphis during the early '80s. And Koko didn't have the "B." in his name until he got to WWF, right? Pretty sure that was all Vince. He's he was a vicious heel and great on the mic. Vince sissified him.
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Post by lildude8218 on May 24, 2010 20:19:35 GMT -5
That's how it worked everywhere. Hell, look at how many guys Hogan defended the belt against on house shows. Pretty much everyone short of Ron Bass and The Rougeaus. That's not entirely true. Hogan would tend to do cycles against who the WWF pushed as the top contender between his more established programs, usually against big men like Sika, Kamala and Killer Khan. Regardless, it all came down to who Vince wanted Hogan to face, and Vince alone. In the NWA's case, there were a pile of different smaller promotions, each pushing a different guy. Many of these territories didn't have a whole lot of true "top" talents which lead to Flair working with some less-than-main-event caliber opponents. Regionally, they may have been big, but in the grand scheme of things, they wouldn't (and many didn't) make a dent in the WWF. Flair himself mentions this in his book (Chapters 8 & 9 detail this). Politics also had a big part in this, as if a particular territory owner didn't like the champion, they'd put him with undercard guys to undermine him in an effort to push their chosen one into the championship. Hogan wasn't wrestling Rufus R. Jones. Flair was, and many times in 60 minute draws! I'm not saying Hogan only fought HOF guys, but most of them were far and away considered bigger stars based on fan perception. And this is coming from a huge Flair fan who hates all things Hogan. Look at the old cards. He did face guys in cycles but he faced other guys in between that too.
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Post by poontangler on May 24, 2010 20:33:31 GMT -5
That's not entirely true. Hogan would tend to do cycles against who the WWF pushed as the top contender between his more established programs, usually against big men like Sika, Kamala and Killer Khan. Regardless, it all came down to who Vince wanted Hogan to face, and Vince alone. In the NWA's case, there were a pile of different smaller promotions, each pushing a different guy. Many of these territories didn't have a whole lot of true "top" talents which lead to Flair working with some less-than-main-event caliber opponents. Regionally, they may have been big, but in the grand scheme of things, they wouldn't (and many didn't) make a dent in the WWF. Flair himself mentions this in his book (Chapters 8 & 9 detail this). Politics also had a big part in this, as if a particular territory owner didn't like the champion, they'd put him with undercard guys to undermine him in an effort to push their chosen one into the championship. Hogan wasn't wrestling Rufus R. Jones. Flair was, and many times in 60 minute draws! I'm not saying Hogan only fought HOF guys, but most of them were far and away considered bigger stars based on fan perception. And this is coming from a huge Flair fan who hates all things Hogan. Look at the old cards. He did face guys in cycles but he faced other guys in between that too. That's why I said "not entirely true". Regardless, the premise remains the same. Hell, he was champion for 4 years, so it'd make sense he'd fight some lesser guys as well. The point was that his opponents were generally higher regarded stars while Flair would take on jobbers on television quite often (and SELL FOR THEM!) and C-level stars in smaller territories. In rereading my last post, I didn't phrase my reply as well as I would have liked.
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