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Post by TheDarkestKnight on Mar 26, 2010 21:04:02 GMT -5
I still don't think they should be going on a hiring spree in the current environment, and if anything, they should at least be trying to take their PPVs out of the Impact Zone to at least start to get some national exposure if they want a "war'. Whats the point in taking PPV's out of the Impact Zone if they are going to flop financially. Bound for Glory 2009 for instance drew a smaller crowd than the Wembley house show. There biggest show of the year getting whipped by the Brits is a pretty poor show from a company which has been going 7 years. |
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 26, 2010 21:05:28 GMT -5
I have to wonder at everyone who's in here calling for Shark Boy to be cut....if what those sources quoted above have said is indeed true, and he brings in the merch for them, and he's really over....WHY THE F*** WOULD YOU CUT HIM, AND KEEP ALL THOSE OTHER USELESS SACKS OF PROTOPLASM?
I don't mean to yell like that, but it just strikes me as supremely stupid to subtract the ONE guy that has been at least partially confirmed as ADDING something to the company, and keeping on those who do far less, and cost far more. Why wouldn't you keep Shark Boy, bring him to TV and make him your "Rey Mysterio" type character....and dump say, The Band, The Nasties, Tomko, Rhino, Neal, and Rob Terry?
If name recognition is what they're going for....(and maybe one of you more knowledgeable folks can explain this to me) wouldn't you want that name that's being recognized to be TNA and not WWE? Because as it is, they're becoming SOOOO loaded with ex-WWE guys that they look like WWE's new C-show. Be honest....most fans, when they first saw Mister Anderson didn't go "Hey it's Mister Anderson!" No...they went "Hey it's Mr. Kennedy from the WWE." They recognize these guys first and foremost from where they were LAST, which is the WWE, hence what it seems like to me is that TNA is actively promoting the WWE....TNA's own stars by comparison aren't promoted as heavily, or rarely get time away from ex-WWE folks to show what TNA's product really is. I mean, we know the WWE guys and what they can do. They're a known quantity to a lot of folks....but how about Samoa Joe? Daniels? AJ? Consequences Creed? Jay Lethal? MCMG? THOSE are the guys TNA needs to be worrying about getting over on TV...not Hogan, Flair, the Nasties, or (and I hate to say this, but it's true) RVD and Hardy. ALL those guys have had their turn as the focal point of the biggest name in wrestling in North America. We know who they are....and we know what they can do. How about letting some of the homegrown talent have some time to themselves to really shine?
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 26, 2010 21:08:38 GMT -5
Whats the point in taking PPV's out of the Impact Zone if they are going to flop financially. Bound for Glory 2009 for instance drew a smaller crowd than the Wembley house show. There biggest show of the year getting whipped by the Brits is a pretty poor show from a company which has been going 7 years. They wouldn't flop financially if TNA decided to at least try to build the South as its "home territory" by doing a decent amount of touring in the manner of old WCW/NWA. I live in the South (not anywhere near Florida) and when I mention TNA, most people think I'm talking about the Spice Channel. When your "WWE Killer" has all the cultural recognition of FCW (pretty much a local promotion for Florida), you're not going anywhere, regardless of how many stars you sign. |
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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 26, 2010 21:12:36 GMT -5
If name recognition is what they're going for....(and maybe one of you more knowledgeable folks can explain this to me) wouldn't you want that name that's being recognized to be TNA and not WWE? Because as it is, they're becoming SOOOO loaded with ex-WWE guys that they look like WWE's new C-show. Be honest....most fans, when they first saw Mister Anderson didn't go "Hey it's Mister Anderson!" No...they went "Hey it's Mr. Kennedy from the WWE." They recognize these guys first and foremost from where they were LAST, which is the WWE, hence what it seems like to me is that TNA is actively promoting the WWE....TNA's own stars by comparison aren't promoted as heavily, or rarely get time away from ex-WWE folks to show what TNA's product really is. I mean, we know the WWE guys and what they can do. They're a known quantity to a lot of folks....but how about Samoa Joe? Daniels? AJ? Consequences Creed? Jay Lethal? MCMG? THOSE are the guys TNA needs to be worrying about getting over on TV...not Hogan, Flair, the Nasties, or (and I hate to say this, but it's true) RVD and Hardy. ALL those guys have had their turn as the focal point of the biggest name in wrestling in North America. We know who they are....and we know what they can do. How about letting some of the homegrown talent have some time to themselves to really shine? /two cents. God, I hate when people act like it's all the old guys who get the TV, and nothing goes to the young guys. Guys like Hogan and Flair are in manageral roles, focused on Abyss and AJ, respectivly, and the Nasties are barely on TV as it is to be effectivly taking anything away from anyone. |
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Post by lildude8218 on Mar 26, 2010 21:15:45 GMT -5
not to cause anymore grief with this, but I did notice that Stevie mentioned sending out resumes on Twitter only a few days ago. That may be paranoia about getting fired rather than the state of the company overall, especially if they decide to break the bank to hire Warrior or Macho Man (I honestly wouldn't put it past them). well it also might mean that can no longer afford to pay him. he hasn't been there that long either. |
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Mar 26, 2010 21:16:24 GMT -5
not to cause anymore grief with this, but I did notice that Stevie mentioned sending out resumes on Twitter only a few days ago. You mean Dr.Stevie?Well its not like he has done anything lately.Id go through his tweets and check myself,but his tweets give me headaches. |
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Post by deeks on Mar 26, 2010 21:19:05 GMT -5
Eric Bischoff responds:Steve Wilton: Any truth to the news hitting every website that TNA are having major financial troubles? I hope not Eric Bischoff, Controversy: Meltzer is a world class douche bag that has no real insight/direct information yet tries to make people believe he does. 80% of the time, if he says it..you can bet it isn't true. www.facebook.com/pages/Eric-Bischoff-Controversy/310203093797
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 26, 2010 21:19:19 GMT -5
well it also might mean that can no longer afford to pay him. he hasn't been there that long either. They could probably afford him if they weren't trying to spend huge wads of cash on all of Hogan's useless parasites. |
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Mar 26, 2010 21:21:58 GMT -5
Eric Bischoff responds:Steve Wilton: Any truth to the news hitting every website that TNA are having major financial troubles? I hope not Eric Bischoff, Controversy: Meltzer is a world class douche bag that has no real insight/direct information yet tries to make people believe he does. 80% of the time, if he says it..you can bet it isn't true. www.facebook.com/pages/Eric-Bischoff-Controversy/310203093797 Ouch. I have nothing against Meltzer but I'd have to agree with Bischoff on this. Meltzer has gotten a lot more stuff wrong over the years than right. |
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Mar 26, 2010 21:22:57 GMT -5
If TNA was making a razor thin profit BEFORE signing Hogan, Flair, Hardy, Nasties, Orlando, RVD, and Kendrick, what do you think they're making now? You can only stretch razor thin for so long until you start seeing a little red. It's like going shopping in the Electronics department at Best Buy with 6 bucks and your mom's $100 credit card.
If you have over 70 performers, razor thin to red profits, and about the same ratings before you went all out, how can you NOT be losing some money?
EDIT: Oh, they're not losing money. But my point still stands, razor thin profits should not be your goal.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Mar 26, 2010 21:23:33 GMT -5
Eric Bischoff responds:Steve Wilton: Any truth to the news hitting every website that TNA are having major financial troubles? I hope not Eric Bischoff, Controversy: Meltzer is a world class douche bag that has no real insight/direct information yet tries to make people believe he does. 80% of the time, if he says it..you can bet it isn't true. www.facebook.com/pages/Eric-Bischoff-Controversy/310203093797 Does this mean they are going to burn a copy of the Observer on the next live Impact? |
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 26, 2010 21:27:29 GMT -5
The other thing that makes it even more mystifying is that TNA hasn't entered a "purge" phase since it went on its whole "Hogan is Alexander the Great" thing. Even WWE has roster purges (usually after WM, often linked to worsening economic conditions). Logic dictates that TNA will have to have one at some point.
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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 26, 2010 21:28:45 GMT -5
That may be paranoia about getting fired rather than the state of the company overall, especially if they decide to break the bank to hire Warrior or Macho Man (I honestly wouldn't put it past them). well it also might mean that can no longer afford to pay him. he hasn't been there that long either. Except he hasn't really had any reason to be on TV. He was pulling Daffney off people recently, and the time before that was jobbing to Morgan in 30 seconds on the Jan 4th show. |
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Post by deeks on Mar 26, 2010 21:29:44 GMT -5
If you have over 70 performers, razor thin to red profits, and about the same ratings before you went all out, how can you NOT be losing some money? That's what Meltzer is speculating about on a radio show. Just one of many things he talked about. But he doesn't have any facts. There is no way we know anything about TNA's financial situation. Which is why it's a non-story. If Meltzer actually had some real news to report based on facts, he would have. So this is all just opinion based on speculation. But on the internet. Everything becomes a story. Anyway, Bischoff addressed the situation. BTW, does anyone really think the Nasty Boyz are making bigmoney? And Hall and Waltman are on pay as you play type deals. Most of the TNA roster isn't on mega deals. And the few that are, Spike is helping with. |
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 26, 2010 21:31:02 GMT -5
If name recognition is what they're going for....(and maybe one of you more knowledgeable folks can explain this to me) wouldn't you want that name that's being recognized to be TNA and not WWE? Because as it is, they're becoming SOOOO loaded with ex-WWE guys that they look like WWE's new C-show. Be honest....most fans, when they first saw Mister Anderson didn't go "Hey it's Mister Anderson!" No...they went "Hey it's Mr. Kennedy from the WWE." They recognize these guys first and foremost from where they were LAST, which is the WWE, hence what it seems like to me is that TNA is actively promoting the WWE....TNA's own stars by comparison aren't promoted as heavily, or rarely get time away from ex-WWE folks to show what TNA's product really is. I mean, we know the WWE guys and what they can do. They're a known quantity to a lot of folks....but how about Samoa Joe? Daniels? AJ? Consequences Creed? Jay Lethal? MCMG? THOSE are the guys TNA needs to be worrying about getting over on TV...not Hogan, Flair, the Nasties, or (and I hate to say this, but it's true) RVD and Hardy. ALL those guys have had their turn as the focal point of the biggest name in wrestling in North America. We know who they are....and we know what they can do. How about letting some of the homegrown talent have some time to themselves to really shine? /two cents. God, I hate when people act like it's all the old guys who get the TV, and nothing goes to the young guys. Guys like Hogan and Flair are in manageral roles, focused on Abyss and AJ, respectivly, and the Nasties are barely on TV as it is to be effectivly taking anything away from anyone. No, you miss what I'm saying. It's not just about "physical age", Sinister. It's also about "TV age" and how long and in how much of a quantity a person has been on TV. Hogan and Flair are...hell, with their various TV projects and WWE roles, they've been in, on or around the fans' consciousness forEVER. The same can be said for guys like Angle, Kennedy, and Hardy, but in all fairness to them, each one of THEM is more capable in the ring than Flair or Hogan. That match a couple of weeks ago where Flair and Hogan got in the ring was a NIGHTMARE and never should have happened in the first place, as ANYONE who was just tuning in would have seen that, and assumed that THAT was what the "new" TNA was all about. BOOM, there goes your shot at snaring new viewers, or those coveted "former WCW fans who won't watch RAW". What I'm talking about is providing an alternative....a real, honest to God alternative to the WWE. A place with ALL NEW faces for the viewers at home to watch and enjoy. Kennedy, Hardy, RVD, the Nasties, Hogan, Flair, even Angle...the wrestling fans at home SAW each and every last one of these guys ad nauseum on RAW for years when they were with WWE. They've exhausted their face time, and they bring NOTHING new to the table that they weren't doing ALL THOSE YEARS AGO in the WWE. Of that group, only perhaps Van Dam can be excused from the group since he's been away from wrestling for a while, and really HASN'T been all over TV. Everyone else is the same old character they were up north. Speaking as a fan who is trying to give TNA every chance I can to win me over and show me something NEW, you know who I want to see? I want to see guys that I really HAVEN'T seen on TV before now. I want to see guys like Shark Boy or Hernandez and Homicide....the MCMG and Lethal Consequences, I want to see the Knockouts like Daffney, and Hamada and Kong and TPB doing their thing.....I want to see Samoa Joe and Daniels and AJ as their OWN characters, not as avatars for Flair and Hogan to continue THEIR feud through. Those guys are guys that would provide a true alternative to TNA, and might actually show fans that "something different" they might be looking for. As it is, they ARE turning into a WWE retirement home. Yes, they DO have young guys, but who is getting the bulk of the attention? Who is getting the backstage segments and important stories? Seems like EVERYTHING is focused around Flair/Hogan (with AJ and Abyss just sort of acting as avatars for the old and incapable ex-WWE stars), Bischoff and The Band, and Anderson/Angle. I just don't get this whole "trying to pass yourself off as an alternative while bringing in every old or fired wrestler from the very guys you're trying to stand out from" attitude. How exactly are you an alternative at that point? You're more like either a farm club or a rest home for WWE cast offs. |
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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 26, 2010 21:34:35 GMT -5
Then you're getting into the whole "WWE-Rejects" arguement, where you either for or against judging people based on previous employer than actual experience or worth.
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 26, 2010 21:35:42 GMT -5
Hogan and Flair ARE (or at least treated as) the major stars. That's why its "Team Flair" vs. "Team Hogan", not "Team Styles" vs. "Team Abyss". Abyss and Styles are basically warm bodies who fight in the place of guys too old to fight now.
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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 26, 2010 21:37:44 GMT -5
Hogan and Flair ARE (or at least treated as) the major stars. That's why its "Team Flair" vs. "Team Hogan", not "Team Styles" vs. "Team Abyss". Abyss and Styles are basically warm bodies who fight in the place of guys too old to fight now. Styles is in the World title match, though, not in Lethal Lockdown. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 26, 2010 21:39:42 GMT -5
Hogan and Flair ARE (or at least treated as) the major stars. That's why its "Team Flair" vs. "Team Hogan", not "Team Styles" vs. "Team Abyss". Abyss and Styles are basically warm bodies who fight in the place of guys too old to fight now. Styles is in the World title match, though, not in Lethal Lockdown. Still, it should be centered on him as the lead bad guy (at least that's what TNA would try to claim) when its Flair who ends up getting the attention. |
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 26, 2010 21:45:45 GMT -5
Then you're getting into the whole "WWE-Rejects" arguement, where you either for or against judging people based on previous employer than actual experience or worth. Ok, and I can understand that. Everyone might NOT have gotten a fair shake up north, and hey, some of these guys, as I said, still have a lot of career ahead of them. But here is where my issue really comes in....I think TNA made a big mistake in bringing them ALL in at once like they did. Part of what made the nWo work like it did was how it was paced. For a good little while (what, three weeks to a month?) it was just Hall and Nash showing up and talking smack and punking announcers. Then it progressed from there, and it was drawn out a bit so that it wasn't like WCW was saying that their OWN wrestlers weren't worthy of attention (I know...they did that eventually) but rather, it was a shock and a surprise when another former WWF guy showed up on Nitro amongst WCW talent. They didn't double their roster size overnight, as TNA has seemed to. They were still promoting their OWN wrestlers as stars, and still more or less providing a solid alternative to RAW. With TNA, they've brought SO MANY ex-WWE guys in at one shot that it's congested all the top spots and programs with them. I understand wanting to get big "names" to pop big ratings....but there's only so much airtime per week, and when nine out of ten of your top programs revolves around ex-WWE talent...there's too much of it on display, IMO. Sure TNA stars are getting time too...but it doesn't seem like they're getting enough, or getting a fair chance to establish themselves and their characters each week. They weren't established as their OWN thing on Monday nights before being infused with talent from the WWE...so it makes it really, really hard to think of them as being their own company and not a "second choice" company for former WWE stars. |
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