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Post by cakewalker on Jul 23, 2010 22:01:40 GMT -5
No way it's true. Just an angle. WWE treated him good. Remember the send-off they gave him.
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Post by Psychoblue on Jul 24, 2010 7:04:55 GMT -5
I'm just going to keep telling myself that TNA was pressuring him to say that. Dreamer is my sister's favorite wrestler and she loved WWECW despite all its faults. I don't want to believe that Dreamer is biting the hand that fed him and nurtured him. He wasn't really biting anything. Really, he didn't mention the actual content of the Sci Fi show at all. His message was more about the individuals who were there he wanted to honor than about how this show sucks and whatever, like Rhino did. "Vince sucks!" "Exactly." This line pissed me off because Vince kept Tommy Dreamer around longer than any of the other ECW originals. When Dreamer's contract was about to expire, Vince convinced him to stay around and gave him the ECW belt, which was definitely something he didn't have to do. Vince resurrected his career when he had been enhancement talent for the years prior, and Dreamer just spat in the face of all of that. I just tell myself that TNA is pressuring him to say that to enhance the angle, because anything other than that just makes me think he's a scummy human being.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2010 7:21:39 GMT -5
Didn't Dreamer only get to stay around the E so long because he was freinds with Shane?
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 24, 2010 8:08:08 GMT -5
Tommy Dreamer is the Al Bundy of wrestling. He's always want to relive his glory days in ECW. He's wants to talk about his Singapore canes shots he took from the Sandman. He loves to mention his numerous injuries he got from going hardcore. Without ECW, Tommy has no identity. He never tried to reinvent himself outside the time he was doing Jackass stunts on Raw. Dreamer uses the hardcore style to work matches and hide his fallacies. He will never be able to let ECW go because that's the only legacy he has in wrestling.
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Post by Paul on Jul 24, 2010 8:10:06 GMT -5
Tommy Dreamer is the Al Bundy of wrestling. He's always want to relive his glory days in ECW. He's wants to talk about his Singapore canes shots he took from the Sandman. He loves to mention his numerous injuries he got from going hardcore. Without ECW, Tommy has no identity. He never tried to reinvent himself outside the time he was doing Jackass stunts on Raw. Dreamer uses the hardcore style to work matches and hide his fallacies. He will never be able to let ECW go because that's the only legacy he has in wrestling. Brilliant! I'd mark so much if he came out in a Polk High jersey.
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Post by CJ Denton is Egon on Jul 24, 2010 8:20:12 GMT -5
Tommy Dreamer is the Al Bundy of wrestling. He's always want to relive his glory days in ECW. He's wants to talk about his Singapore canes shots he took from the Sandman. He loves to mention his numerous injuries he got from going hardcore. Without ECW, Tommy has no identity. He never tried to reinvent himself outside the time he was doing Jackass stunts on Raw. Dreamer uses the hardcore style to work matches and hide his fallacies. He will never be able to let ECW go because that's the only legacy he has in wrestling. One flaw. Al Bundy had charisma.
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Post by Judas Heyman on Jul 24, 2010 8:54:06 GMT -5
Tommy Dreamer is the Al Bundy of wrestling. He's always want to relive his glory days in ECW. He's wants to talk about his Singapore canes shots he took from the Sandman. He loves to mention his numerous injuries he got from going hardcore. Without ECW, Tommy has no identity. He never tried to reinvent himself outside the time he was doing Jackass stunts on Raw. Dreamer uses the hardcore style to work matches and hide his fallacies. He will never be able to let ECW go because that's the only legacy he has in wrestling. One flaw. Al Bundy had charisma. So true...I always thought that Tommy Dreamer took a lot of pride in being the face of mainstream hardcore wrestling in North America. Except being a hardcore ECW icon, Dreamer has absolutely not identity.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 24, 2010 10:09:24 GMT -5
I didn't hate the promo...I mainly felt sorry for Dreamer. He came off so much like that high school football star that is now 40 and sits around in the bar reliving his glory days of scoring the game winning touchdown (or in this case smashing Raven with a chair in a cage match).
It's more interesting when you compare it to RVD's promo with Christy earlier in the show, where he was mostly upbeat and didn't trash Vince or anything. In fact now that I think about it neither RVD or Jeff Hardy have done the customary "WWE sucks!" promo in TNA.
In the end I got the feeling that RVD would now rather view himself as a TNA guy and acknowledges ECW as a big part of his past, while Dreamer is a guy that simply can't let go of the past.
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Post by smokey1980 on Jul 24, 2010 10:53:05 GMT -5
I don't believe it was all that genuine. But heck, it's pro wrestling. Outside of maybe Bret and Shawn burying the hatchet, we haven't seen a lot of real genuine moments of late. But again, it's pro wrestling. It's an angle. He is trying to sell the PPV. I'm not a big fan of the angle, but I don't particularly care if its genuine.
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Post by josh on Jul 24, 2010 12:43:00 GMT -5
Woah woah woah woah woah. Someone insults Vince, the KING of scum and they're scummy? I'm in bizarro world.
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Post by dav on Jul 24, 2010 13:11:07 GMT -5
But what favours is it doing for them? The segment took up time that could have been spent building up people like Lethal or the Pope, guys who are the future of the company. Instead, it was a huge nostalgia fest for ECW that made TNA look like it was admitting its inferiority. Who in TNA benefits from this? Time that was already given way before they gave the ECW guys. One show is not gonna change any of that, especially of a limited run as this one is gonna be, and does nothing to damage any kind of perceived "identity" since they are still going to feature those people down the line. Actually, I'm a fan of TNA. I think it has some spectacular workers who could very well be the future of the company. But that promo undermined their work because Dixie stated that TNA didn't want its own identity. It didn't want to stand out on its own. What she said was that TNA wants to be like ECW. And that wasn't the worst part. Right after stating that ECW was basically better than TNA was, she highlited the one aspect that no one should follow from ECW, that extreme hardcore aspect. Not the technical bouts with people like Malenko or Benoit. Not the rise of the lucha libre with its exciting high flying bouts that opened the door for people like Rey Mysterio. Nor did she highlight the fact that ECW had a talent for making the smaller guy a star, people like Taz who could become monsters and main event pulls due to talent. No, Dixie overlooked all the positive aspects of ECW for the bloody hardcore wrestling. Stuff that made backyard federations think that all you need is a table and barbed wire to get over. TNA does not need hardcore wrestling, it needs to push its younger stars. People like Pope, Lethal, Styles or Wolfe. These are the guys who will be the future of TNA. Forcing them to take a back seat so a bunch of men who are so desperately trying to get back the glory days of over a decade ago does nothing for TNA. It might, just might, get some slightly higher buys for its PPV but it could have done that by booking well with its own talent and making them seem like the bright future. Even a month's delay on that is a month too long.
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Post by Celgress on Jul 24, 2010 13:14:59 GMT -5
Tommy Dreamer is the Al Bundy of wrestling. He's always want to relive his glory days in ECW. He's wants to talk about his Singapore canes shots he took from the Sandman. He loves to mention his numerous injuries he got from going hardcore. Without ECW, Tommy has no identity. He never tried to reinvent himself outside the time he was doing Jackass stunts on Raw. Dreamer uses the hardcore style to work matches and hide his fallacies. He will never be able to let ECW go because that's the only legacy he has in wrestling. One flaw. Al Bundy had charisma. True
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Post by Celgress on Jul 24, 2010 13:18:06 GMT -5
Woah woah woah woah woah. Someone insults Vince, the KING of scum and they're scummy? I'm in bizarro world. Welcome, and don't forgot to drink your complimentary glass of Kool-Aid.
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Post by don on Jul 24, 2010 14:29:05 GMT -5
Woah woah woah woah woah. Someone insults Vince, the KING of scum and they're scummy? I'm in bizarro world. Welcome, and don't forgot to drink your complimentary glass of Kool-Aid. That "king of scum" and his wife are honorary board members for the Make A Wish Foundation. Any way you try to slice it, that is a positive way of giving back to the world. What good have Tommy Dreamer and ECW done in this world?
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Post by smokey1980 on Jul 24, 2010 15:06:19 GMT -5
Welcome, and don't forgot to drink your complimentary glass of Kool-Aid. That "king of scum" and his wife are honorary board members for the Make A Wish Foundation. Any way you try to slice it, that is a positive way of giving back to the world. What good have Tommy Dreamer and ECW done in this world? I dunno, the general consensus seems to be that Dreamer is a nice guy. Vince McMahon is a complicated figure. I can understand why some people admire him, and I can equally understand why some people despise him. I'm somewhere in the middle.
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Post by The Lach is very tired on Jul 24, 2010 21:48:31 GMT -5
No way it's true. Just an angle. WWE treated him good. Remember the send-off they gave him. Yep. I think he is just being a company man. Just like he was in ECW, WWE & WWECW. Those in charge have asked him to do something & he is being professional & doing it. Remember him drinking Taker's tobacco spit? Remember him taking cane shot after cane shot from Sandman? I don't see this as any difference. The company has asked him to do something & he is doing it.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 24, 2010 22:28:18 GMT -5
No way it's true. Just an angle. WWE treated him good. Remember the send-off they gave him. Yep. I think he is just being a company man. Just like he was in ECW, WWE & WWECW. Those in charge have asked him to do something & he is being professional & doing it. Remember him drinking Taker's tobacco spit? Remember him taking cane shot after cane shot from Sandman? I don't see this as any difference. The company has asked him to do something & he is doing it. To me, it crosses the line into disrespectful when he starts taking the piss out of the guy that kept him employed for the past ten years, basically. Yeah, I know it's just a storyline, and he probably didn't mean it, but still, I guarantee that he could have said no to it, and if it hadn't happened, the story would go marching on without it. There was no reason to diss the guy that put food on his table for the past decade.
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Post by Black Swagger on Jul 24, 2010 22:43:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure if he meant what he said. I just took it as the usual name dropping that former WWE guys seem to wanna do when they get to TNA. To me when they mention WWE as much as they do it can make them look second rate.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 24, 2010 22:53:02 GMT -5
I'm not especially worried about whether Dreamer burned a bridge with Vince. It's not like he seems terribly concerned about going back to WWE. And I don't quite think Dixie meant that ECW's hardcore style was mere garbage wrestling, that it included everything that made up the company. Or at least Dreamer put over Taz and his technical skill with the Joe comparison.
That said, TNA is almost at a crisis point in terms of its own roster of talent. By this I don't mean they have a ton of injuries, but it's just that so many of these guys are either stale or utterly buried, or simply devalued by years of heinous booking. Names like Pope, Styles, Wolfe, and Lethal were mentioned earlier. Consider:
--AJ Styles has been with TNA since day 1 and has won every belt in the company multiple times (well okay, not the Global..he just won that). In EIGHT YEARS they couldn't truly make him a star? The fact is at this point I don't think Styles is the future of TNA...he's almost the past. TNA can push or depush AJ with no real consequences since he's basically stuck in TNA due to WWE not caring about him at all. WWE would likely want him to go to FCW or something, and he'd likely end up in a redneck Jamie Noble style gimmick. He's stuck in TNA and Dixie Carter knows it.
--Desmond Wolfe. WWE had him signed but he failed a physical. That alone set off some alarms with me as to his durability, though I haven't seen him injured of late. But again, much like with an MVP on Smackdown, once you job a guy this hard it's tough for him to really recover and get over. TNA had a chance to make Wolfe with the Angle feud, but he never won a match in the feud and basically ended up buried after the top 10 voting debacle.
--Jay Lethal. If he had done the Macho Man gimmick for a month as a joke and then gave it up that would be one thing. But he spent years doing it to the point where it's incredibly tough to take him seriously. Frankly it baffles me as to why TNA would push him over a guy like Matt Morgan, since there's really a ceiling Lethal will hit whereas Morgan (if booked properly) could be a serious title threat. About all I see Lethal ever doing is winning the X Division belt.
--The Pope. He's probably the closest thing that TNA has to a guy they could push, in that he hasn't been totally buried and is excellent on the mic. It's mainly his matches that are just....meh. It's like when I hear him talk I hear a young Dusty Rhodes, but then he wrestles and I realize it's just Elijah Burke. I have a hunch he might go back to WWE at some point, which could lead to TNA being reluctant to truly push him.
--Samoa Joe. This is a tough one. Joe has been insanely devalued over the past 2 years, first with the whole laughably terrible Nation of Violence gimmick and then his equally inept heel turn where he joined the Main Event Mafia. Not to mention this year alone jobbing clean to Orlando Jordan and being kidnapped by ninjas (jobbing to Jordan is far worse, haha). There's a chance Joe could be salvaged, but it's going to take some major work at this point.
--Abyss. Speaking of devalued guys, I think Abyss is just done as a serious threat. TNA would have to be completely insane to put the belt on him in this RVD feud, and even if they did he would quickly flop and be a transition guy to Angle. Abyss simply can't be taken seriously at this point, and unlike Joe he can't simply discard the gimmick crap and be a serious tough guy wrestler. Honestly I think he should try to go to WWE and be fodder for Taker and Kane.
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Post by joeiscool on Jul 24, 2010 23:22:41 GMT -5
Welcome, and don't forgot to drink your complimentary glass of Kool-Aid. That "king of scum" and his wife are honorary board members for the Make A Wish Foundation. Any way you try to slice it, that is a positive way of giving back to the world. What good have Tommy Dreamer and ECW done in this world? and hilter cared about animal rights, and the environment ... not that hitler is comparable to vince. Just because vince may do some things right does not excuse all the wrong he's done...
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