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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2010 2:09:08 GMT -5
The way TNA promotes its PPV gives Heyman alot of ammo. You don't want any "regular" TNA guys on your PPV and people are still trying to make the "TNA's promoting its own guys!" argument? This doesn't promote the "TNA" name or make "TNA" look any less bush-league, it just says "Here are some old ECW guys! You used to like them! Watch them!" No company has EVER succeeded long-term treating its guys in completely seperate "tiers" like that. The problem with this argument is that it's completely bogus. TNA wrestlers continue to highlight the weekly program, and it's emphasized that Hardcore Justice being an ECW event is a one-off. I can think of at least one company that isn't "bush-league" (a meaningless, but all too often used, phrase) that did cast their wrestlers aside for a night to promote wrestlers bred by ECW. The difference is that with the WWE show there was a storyline going into the show that the Raw and and Smackdown guys were going to crash the party. Also most of the wrestlers in the actual matches themselves were WWE contracted wrestlers already. Despite being an ECW show, there were constant reminders of WWE the whole time. You also have to realize that WWE owns the ECW name and tape library. The had just released Rise and Fall and it was insanely popular, so they wanted to capitalize on it to try and see if there was money to be made off the ECW name. The difference is that while I acknowledge that TNA has a bunch of their contracted guys on the show, there is no reason to really be doing it. TNA doesn't own ECW, has stated the ppv will have nothing to do with TNA, and it's been even longer now since the ECW days. Sure, this show might do a better number for TNA than normal, but what purpose does it really serve? They could have just as easily done an extreme themed ppv with their current roster in the Hammerstein Ballroom or ECW Arena. There are already enough ECW guys on the roster to make it feel genuine, and it would have had people paying attention to TNA. What they've done, is get the wrestling world talking about ECW, something owned by their competition.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Aug 2, 2010 2:09:38 GMT -5
When I think about it more, I feel like they could bring in Heyman and make this work. I have a feeling he would do to wrestling what McMahon kinda tried doing with football with XFL. Before the jokes start pouring in, I essentially just mean injecting a new attitude into the sport and making it faster and edgier and "cooler." Like cooler, new camera angles, etc. I could see that being an interesting alternative to WWE.
Now if that's what Heyman is wanting to do... Couldn't they save themselves the trouble and just try it themselves WITHOUT giving Heyman that kinda power? "Dana White Power" is a pretty strong statement.
I truly believe if they don't go the Heyman route, they will absolutely bury themselves in the next 12-18 months.
I also think if the Heyman thing bombs, the company is finished. But I don't think it will and if Heyman does it in the way that I think he will, it will no doubt be something that gets better ratings and has more appeal.
Also -- yes, he would absolutely can Russo, Nash, Hogan, etc and anyone that wouldn't represent 'fresh' and 'new'. Which is why I would watch it.
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Post by golding on Aug 2, 2010 2:51:05 GMT -5
The difference is that with the WWE show there was a storyline going into the show that the Raw and and Smackdown guys were going to crash the party. Also most of the wrestlers in the actual matches themselves were WWE contracted wrestlers already. Despite being an ECW show, there were constant reminders of WWE the whole time. I'm not terribly certain how that makes it different. WWE didn't cast aside their wrestlers, and kept them relevant to the product. TNA isn't casting aside their wrestlers, and they remain on TV. WWE had the benefit of having a good deal of quality former ECW wrestlers under contract. The majority of TNA's ECW roster are also TNA contracted wrestlers. It's difficult to criticize the PPV with "TNA wrestlers don't even have an audience member presence like WWE wrestlers had", when the role TNA wrestlers will play is thus far undetermined. Seems like they're going to go the direction of mutual respect, which is fine. I'm perfectly aware of this, but now WWE owns the ECW name and sits on it. Simply owning the rights to the name doesn't mean everyone else is forbidden from capitalizing on the product. That's where I think many people going "TNA doesn't own ECW, WWE does" are kind of missing the point. The reason that I anticipate the PPV is because while it's something that WWE does own, it's something that WWE bastardized to the point where the use of the name was becoming insulting. Fans were getting annoyed by the misrepresentation, and wrestlers originally a part of ECW were seemingly getting annoyed by it too. If the last note on ECW is something better than Vince McMahon thanking the camera crew and Ezekial Jackson winning a title, I can see the purpose. And again, something not used by their competition. Utilizing ECW as a draw isn't really chasing viewers to WWE by virtue of WWE's ownership of the name. And really, I have a hard time seeing how an extreme themed PPV in the Hammerstein Ballroom is so much less a utilization of the competition's "property" than what they're doing.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Aug 2, 2010 10:43:59 GMT -5
I think that Heyman would oust Bischoff Nash and Hogan probably oust Hardy and possibly Mr.Anderson. Would use RVD, Team 3-D, and Kurt Angle as the vets to lend the younger newer guys some credibility much like he did Terry Funk. He'd outst Hardy and Anderson? Are you kidding me? Seriously? No, he'd just treat Hardy as actually being important rather then the total flop TNAHardy has been. And outsting the super on fire Anderson right now would be the most asinine thing I could possibly imagine Heyman doing.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 2, 2010 11:55:32 GMT -5
Anderson is on fire? Have I just been imagining all of the jobbing he's done for Jeff, Abyss, RVD, Angle, and even the guys from Beer Money? Bear in mind that Heyman first booked Anderson with the whole ring intro gimmick that got him over in OVW.
Hardy is a different matter. Who knows what his long term legal status is, and even if he avoids jail time he may well just want to go back to WWE. I don't blame anyone for being hesitant to book their promotion around Jeff Hardy.
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