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Post by forgottensinpwf on Jul 23, 2010 16:33:17 GMT -5
this is rather sounding more like Heroes Of Wrestling (1999) ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) Lack of Jake Roberts, but yes it is.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Jul 23, 2010 17:29:58 GMT -5
I think just for S's and G's, they should put together a "New ECW" stable led by The Pope. Kurt Angle could be in it too, and this opens the window for a spectacular return of Chris Harris.
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Post by arthuradams2002 on Jul 23, 2010 17:50:34 GMT -5
Who ? Branden Walker ?
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Post by kneelbeforezod on Jul 23, 2010 18:44:29 GMT -5
I expect this ppv to be a bunch of old guys doing a series of sloppy matches that all end with ddts...Just like the old ecw
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Jul 23, 2010 20:59:04 GMT -5
heh heh heh
You tell em.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jul 24, 2010 0:58:45 GMT -5
Looking forward to it and will be the first TNA PPV I purchase since Raven won the belt.
Also, loved Dreamer's promo and thought it was excellent.
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Post by Nuke The Whales on Jul 24, 2010 1:36:55 GMT -5
I wanna see how good TNA makes it...props to Dreamer and his booking committee for trying something different... Wait, how is he trying something different? I mean the whole point of the PPV seems to be reliving what ECW used to do in the 90s. I'm not trying to bash or anything, it's a legit question. ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2010 2:18:56 GMT -5
I'm a huge ECW fan from way back. I used to watch Hardcore TV on my local public access channel, and since then I've read every book and interview, and watched every documentary I could to study it's history. I was excited for the 2005/2006 nostalgie/relaunch, but quickly lost interest once ECW simply became just another "brand".
I think WWE did the right thing by ending ECW earlier this year. It's dead. Let's please let it rest in peace. If the talent feel like they need "One Last Stand" then that's fine. I hope they give us an entertaining show. However, I hope this is the final word on ECW forever. If this leads to some type of TNA Hardcore brand, I won't be around for it.
I think hardcore wrestling is dead, and simply comes off as sad in 2010. ECW's hardcore style was born of necessity because in the early days they had a lousy roster. WWF adopted it because they needed to be shocking to get attention off WCW. TNA has the greatest talent roster pretty much ever assembled, and should be pushing WRESTLING, not hardcore. They really don't need to resort to that type of stuff.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 24, 2010 3:51:32 GMT -5
If this doesn't work, the plan is to hire Greg Gagne and have guys get DQ'd if they go over the ropes. The only way to get pushed will be to stop working out and grooming, and to grow mullets and pedophile mustaches.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2010 7:25:54 GMT -5
Dreamer's promo was f***ing garbage and changed my opinion of him completely
And this sounds dumb
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2010 7:38:27 GMT -5
If the card has two/three ECW based matches and the rest of the card is all TNA then I won't mind. I look forward to seeing Beer Money and the Machine Guns most on that card, they've not had a bad or even average match so I hold high hopes in them.
If this is just for one PPV as a nostalgia kick fair enough, if it becomes a permanent stable/hardcore division then I'll have to skip over more of TNA in the future. ECW had fantastic wrestlers (and a fair few awful ones!), it was not just hardcore match after hardcore match so Dixie saying "I know my fans want to see hardcore wrestling!" made me a little bit annoyed but eh, it's Dixie, she says something moronic every segment she is in.
Dreamer's promo was false garbage in my opinion and pissed me off a bit but eh, I can ignore that and hope Dixie asked him to rag on his ex-employers a bit.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jul 24, 2010 7:55:12 GMT -5
this is rather sounding more like Heroes Of Wrestling (1999) ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) Lack of Jake Roberts, but yes it is. Hey now...Jake DID make a few appearances in ECW....cross your fingers!
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 24, 2010 8:13:11 GMT -5
The real question is...do the fans chant "ECW" or "TNA"? I predict a jumbled mixture of both which willl lead to many heads exploding.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 24, 2010 8:37:29 GMT -5
Everybody knows ECW was just about hardcore wrestling. No one cared about Malenko vs Guerrero. Or the luchadors making their US debuts. No one wanted to see guys like Benoit, Jericho, Scorpio, Super Crazy, Tajiri, or the Eliminators. They wanted stiff chairshots. Flaming tables. Blood and gore. No one wanted to see technical wrestling or international wrestlers. ECW was just about the violence. Not about being against the status quo. No about being anti-establishment. Just hardcore wrestling.
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Post by smokey1980 on Jul 24, 2010 10:55:06 GMT -5
I won't watch live but if it gets good word of mouth, maybe I'd watch the DVD. I'm not a big fan of the angle and how it has been set up, but that doesn't mean there won't be a good match or two, and some neat moments.
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Post by joeverfield on Jul 24, 2010 12:54:46 GMT -5
Dreamer's promo was so awkward and forced. It just made him come off as bitter and makes TNA look second rate by once again trying to trash the WWE.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jul 25, 2010 2:28:37 GMT -5
I expect this ppv to be a bunch of old guys doing a series of sloppy matches that all end with ddts...Just like the old ecw Just watch this sloppy match between two jobbers.. And the stupid ECW crowd just crapping all over it because it wasn't "hardcore". Wait, this is an awesome match that is better than almost anything you can find anywhere in the world. It is in EC F'N W and the fans loved it and wanted more. The ECW hate and revisionist history on this board is getting pathetic. It's fine if you didn't like it, but don't saying false and stupid things like ECW was nothing but sloppy wrestling with DDT finishes, ECW was a small promotion that no one cared about (it was small, but it sure had a TON of people around the nation caring about it and drew very good gates). Go on youtube, there are plenty of original ECW matches on their that are technically sound and as good as any match you will find anywhere in the world today. ECW's hardcore style was born of necessity because in the early days they had a lousy roster. Nice revisionist history. Let's look at the early ECW roster (1993, 1994, 1995). Shane Douglas - good technical wrestler Tommy Dreamer - known for a hardcore style, but also a good wrestler mike Awesome - Excellent wrestler Taz - good wrestler Terry Funk - aging, but a good wrestler also Jimmy Snuka - legend, known for ariel wrestling, not garbage Stevie Richards - good wrestler 1995's roster for ECW is simply brilliant The Sandman Shane Douglas Raven Tommy Dreamer Terry Funk Taz or Tazmaniac 2 Cold Scorpio Dean Malenko Eddie Guerrero Mikey Whipwreck The Pitbulls Cactus Jack Steve Austin Ron Simmons The Rottens The Public Enemey BWO Rey Mysterio Psicosis La Parka Konnan Bubba Ray Dudley The Gangstas Sabu The Eliminators Despite being cool to trash ECW these days, it was a good promotion that always had GOOD wrestling, despite what many people may want to claim these days.
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Post by Giant Floating Baby Head on Jul 25, 2010 2:54:54 GMT -5
Sandman and The Rottens are BRILLIANT?
Are....are you crazy sir?
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jul 25, 2010 3:06:58 GMT -5
Sandman and The Rottens are BRILLIANT? Are....are you crazy sir? No, go and watch Sandman's angle with Raven....he was beyond brilliant in that angle. Watch his angle with Dreamer, also brilliant in that angle. he is not a technical masterpiece in the ring, but he sure as hell knew how to make the crowd feel the emotion in those angles. I'll give you credit on the Rottens, they sucked. But to be fair, gotta include the good and the bad. Can't deny, ECW in 1995 had a stacked roster.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 0:38:43 GMT -5
ECW's hardcore style was born of necessity because in the early days they had a lousy roster. Nice revisionist history. Let's look at the early ECW roster (1993, 1994, 1995). Shane Douglas - good technical wrestler Tommy Dreamer - known for a hardcore style, but also a good wrestler mike Awesome - Excellent wrestler Taz - good wrestler Terry Funk - aging, but a good wrestler also Jimmy Snuka - legend, known for ariel wrestling, not garbage Stevie Richards - good wrestler 1995's roster for ECW is simply brilliant Despite being cool to trash ECW these days, it was a good promotion that always had GOOD wrestling, despite what many people may want to claim these days. I was not trashing ECW at all. In fact, if you'd actually read my post you would know that I'm a huge fan. I still watch the old videos a lot, and it was my favorite promotion ever. I quite enjoyed the hardcore style. At the time, it was fresh and different, was the right product for the "edgy" 90's. As far as my "revisionist history" as you put it, let's look at that 1993 - 94 ECW roster again shall we? Shane Douglas - I'm with you on this one, good wrestler. Tommy Dreamer - Decent wrestler, but the crowd hated him. Mike Awesome - One of my all time favorites, but during this period he only made an occassional one-off appearance for ECW. He could hardly be considered a member of the official roster in 1993-1994. Taz - Good wrestler, I'm with you there. Terry Funk - By this time he was broken down and had to start getting hardcore because he could no longer put on a technical classic. Jimmy Snuka - At this point he too was starting to look like a broken down old man. Stevie Richards - He was there sure, but he was barely on tv before Raven showed up in 1995. What you forget is that for every Shane Douglas there were three Rockin' Rebels, Hack Meyers and Super Detroyers. If anyone is using revisionist history it's you. ECW started to incorporate great wrestling later on, and I agree that the 1995 roster was awesome, but to act like there was always a great collection of mat technicians there is a joke. ECW was without a doubt born of necessity. Without going hardcore, it would have simply been another indy fed. Seriously, go watch 1993 ECW. It sucked. What it became was something wonderful with a legacy that will always exist in wrestling, but there's no denying that they started putting people through tabes and hitting each other with chairs to get noticed. And I'm glad they did, or I probably wouldn't be a wrestling fan today. My argument was that TNA does not need to resort to this. They have a phenomenal roster that can put on classic match after classic match without having to dig up the past.
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