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Post by Alexander The So-so on Sept 5, 2010 13:03:40 GMT -5
IIRC he wanted to do a long, multi-layer angle on Heat where he would go from wrestler to wrestler feuding with them with each feud based on one of the saven sins. Again, if memory serves, The Hurricane feud was to be based around the sin of pride, Matt Hardy and Lita around lust or envy, etc. Something like that. I think the way he had planned it out was it would culminate with Lust for Matt towards Lita, and then Raven would reveal himself as Envy for wanting Lita and start a feud. Now I'm envisioning Raven in a field with Matt and Jeff Hardy, with Matt screaming "what's in the box!!!!  " |
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Post by AndyUK on Sept 5, 2010 13:33:42 GMT -5
This sounds like it would've been fantastic. It's a real shame we didn't get to see it. Why isn't Raven on a creative team? I mean, granted, this wasn't an original idea, it was taken from Se7en but wrestling needs more people that can take inspiration from things like that and put their own spin on it.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Sept 5, 2010 15:15:24 GMT -5
But they could be called the Five Deadly Venoms. ;D There's only ONE Five Deadly Venoms and they are the enemies of the Jungle Force Power Rangers.  Wrong.  The ORIGINAL Five Deadly Venoms. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 5, 2010 20:38:23 GMT -5
It has been a while since I saw him explain it all, but I'll see if I can recap it well enough;
It would have started with a couple of feuds on Heat where he would go after midcarders that he thought were guilty of sin. He would have gotten to the 3rd sin before he got his ass handed to him in a convincing fashion that would suggest that the angle was over. He then would restart it 1 month later (apparently having spent the month collecting surveillance).
The end of the angle would have culminated with Raven showing Lita a tape that proved that Matt took a girl into his hotel room and cheated on her, making him guilty of lust. Matt would have insisted that someone had slipped the girl something, so he took her to his room to sleep it off while he went and booked himself another room.
After about a month of s***-stirring and trying to get in between Matt and Lita, Raven would start a relationship with Lita. In the end, immediately prior to his big PPV match with Matt to end the angle, Raven would admit that he knew all along that Matt had told the truth and that Lita was the one who ultimately cheated in their relationship (making her the one guilty of lust). He would admit that he did so because he was jealous of Matt's seemingly perfect life and wanted to bring Matt down to his level. Matt would have then hit the ring and just brow-beat Raven from pillar to post for 15 solid minutes until he just could not beat on him anymore. Matt would then pick up the victory and as he walks to the back Raven would crawl over to a mic and thank Matt for purging him of his sin like he had done for everyone else.
In the end, the idea was to get Matt over as someone that can destroy someone if he put his mind to it, Raven as a mastermind who was quite sick in his own right, Lita as a conflicted diva who could either then go on to torment Matt or to eventually reconcile with him, and whoever the third sin was supposed to be would have been slightly elevated as well (probably as a guy that tried to help Matt out along the way).
Raven did have problems with WWE Creative, and that played a role. The big problem is that Vince had ALWAYS like Raven as a member of creative (he was a producer for the WWE during his Johnny Polo days), but he never saw Raven as a wrestling commodity. The fact is that wrestling is what Raven wants to do until he simply cannot physically do so is by and large why he is not a writer for someone. He doesn't want to have the book while he is an active wrestler because he would do things for the wrong reasons (he would be an anti-Gagne to the point that it could be bad for business).
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Post by andrewgilkison on Sept 5, 2010 20:51:01 GMT -5
This sounds like it would've been fantastic. It's a real shame we didn't get to see it. Why isn't Raven on a creative team? I mean, granted, this wasn't an original idea, it was taken from Se7en but wrestling needs more people that can take inspiration from things like that and put their own spin on it. Raven said in his shoot that Vince offered him a spot on creative, but Raven turned it down because he wanted to be a wrestler, and wanted to use his Se7en angle to get more heat and move up the card. |
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Post by flatsdomino on Sept 5, 2010 20:53:15 GMT -5
It has been a while since I saw him explain it all, but I'll see if I can recap it well enough; It would have started with a couple of feuds on Heat where he would go after midcarders that he thought were guilty of sin. He would have gotten to the 3rd sin before he got his ass handed to him in a convincing fashion that would suggest that the angle was over. He then would restart it 1 month later (apparently having spent the month collecting surveillance). The end of the angle would have culminated with Raven showing Lita a tape that proved that Matt took a girl into his hotel room and cheated on her, making him guilty of lust. Matt would have insisted that someone had slipped the girl something, so he took her to his room to sleep it off while he went and booked himself another room. After about a month of s***-stirring and trying to get in between Matt and Lita, Raven would start a relationship with Lita. In the end, immediately prior to his big PPV match with Matt to end the angle, Raven would admit that he knew all along that Matt had told the truth and that Lita was the one who ultimately cheated in their relationship (making her the one guilty of lust). He would admit that he did so because he was jealous of Matt's seemingly perfect life and wanted to bring Matt down to his level. Matt would have then hit the ring and just brow-beat Raven from pillar to post for 15 solid minutes until he just could not beat on him anymore. Matt would then pick up the victory and as he walks to the back Raven would crawl over to a mic and thank Matt for purging him of his sin like he had done for everyone else. In the end, the idea was to get Matt over as someone that can destroy someone if he put his mind to it, Raven as a mastermind who was quite sick in his own right, Lita as a conflicted diva who could either then go on to torment Matt or to eventually reconcile with him, and whoever the third sin was supposed to be would have been slightly elevated as well (probably as a guy that tried to help Matt out along the way). Raven did have problems with WWE Creative, and that played a role. The big problem is that Vince had ALWAYS like Raven as a member of creative (he was a producer for the WWE during his Johnny Polo days), but he never saw Raven as a wrestling commodity. The fact is that wrestling is what Raven wants to do until he simply cannot physically do so is by and large why he is not a writer for someone. He doesn't want to have the book while he is an active wrestler because he would do things for the wrong reasons (he would be an anti-Gagne to the point that it could be bad for business). Hmm...so he'd call out one midcarder on Gluttony, feud with him, one midcarder on Pride (presumably the Hurricane) and feud with him, then one for Sloth, then one for Greed, then Wrath, before feuding with Matt Hardy over Lust, then reveal himself to be Envy? That sounds great. They should do something like that with CM Punk, I think. He could pull it off convincingly. It's funny because I always though the angle was supposed to lead to some sort of stable, not a mulit-level story arc involving Raven feuding with 6 different guys (and presumably losing to the third and Matt). I need to see this shoot. |
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Post by Lardlad on Sept 5, 2010 20:55:53 GMT -5
^^
That sounds really, really cool and would have made Heat and Matt Hardy a lot more interesting. Also kind of odd to think about as that would have been pitched before the whole Matt Hardy/Edge fiasco....
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Post by Fantozzi on Sept 6, 2010 15:56:13 GMT -5
^^ That sounds really, really cool and would have made Heat and Matt Hardy a lot more interesting. Also kind of odd to think about as that would have been pitched before the whole Matt Hardy/Edge fiasco.... yes, basically edge stole raven's idea |
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Post by Cactus Jack on Sept 7, 2010 9:13:48 GMT -5
God, that idea's awesome.
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Post by bradtherad on Sept 7, 2010 10:12:19 GMT -5
You all talk about Matt Hardy and Gluttony, but what about him, what about raisin raven?
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