Yami Daimao
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Post by Yami Daimao on Sept 20, 2010 22:42:06 GMT -5
I'm no TNA fan by any means these days, but if this was posted in the WWE section, people would immediately scream "NEWZ!". Why do people only believe TNA newz? I underlined the obvious reason for you. Plus, for all those people who attack Sinister for supposedly having a 'TNA can do no wrong' mentality, how come those people don't have any problems with the people on these forums who have a 'WWE can do no wrong' mentality...oh right, the reason is the letters I underlined, my bad. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) You obviously haven't visited the WWE section and/or read Sinister's past posts.
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JoDaNa1281
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Sept 20, 2010 22:57:15 GMT -5
I underlined the obvious reason for you. Plus, for all those people who attack Sinister for supposedly having a 'TNA can do no wrong' mentality, how come those people don't have any problems with the people on these forums who have a 'WWE can do no wrong' mentality...oh right, the reason is the letters I underlined, my bad. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) You obviously haven't visited the WWE section and/or read Sinister's past posts. I have visited the WWE section(I just got off it) & there are people like that on there, plus I have read his posts since I'm usually on the Impact thread nearly every week & I disagree with him on occasion, it's just I don't hate TNA because it's TNA or because it's not WWE, though I do bash them when they deserve it(I don't want Hall back either). Plus, I have over 3000 posts, it's kinda stupid to think I haven't visited the WWE thread, especially since I've been on that section more than any other on this site.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Sept 20, 2010 22:59:49 GMT -5
This is the best way I can summerize Dixie Carter and Scott Hall. /thread
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Krimzon
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Post by Krimzon on Sept 20, 2010 23:11:22 GMT -5
You obviously haven't visited the WWE section and/or read Sinister's past posts. I have visited the WWE section(I just got off it) & there are people like that on there, plus I have read his posts since I'm usually on the Impact thread nearly every week & I disagree with him on occasion, it's just I don't hate TNA because it's TNA or because it's not WWE, though I do bash them when they deserve it(I don't want Hall back either). Plus, I have over 3000 posts, it's kinda stupid to think I haven't visited the WWE thread, especially since I've been on that section more than any other on this site. Sinister catches so much crap because TNA is mind-numbingly stupid to a LOT of people. TNA's actions are indefensible to some. So seeing Dixie herself Sinister defending them like he's getting paid to do so, it baffles people. I know I'm convinced that he's on TNA's payroll. That's the only logical conclusion I can come to.
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Yami Daimao
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Post by Yami Daimao on Sept 20, 2010 23:19:34 GMT -5
You obviously haven't visited the WWE section and/or read Sinister's past posts. I have visited the WWE section(I just got off it) & there are people like that on there, plus I have read his posts since I'm usually on the Impact thread nearly every week & I disagree with him on occasion, it's just I don't hate TNA because it's TNA or because it's not WWE, though I do bash them when they deserve it(I don't want Hall back either). Plus, I have over 3000 posts, it's kinda stupid to think I haven't visited the WWE thread, especially since I've been on that section more than any other on this site. The "you don't visit the WWE section" remark was just figuratively speaking, of course you've had to have visit the WWE section. Thing is, not many HAVE a "WWE can do no wrong" mentality, because people are constantly pointing out WWE's flaws (some which are minor), despise some of the great booking lately. As oppose to here, where TNA is just a giant mess with a 1998 booking mentality and a great roster of athletes, there is ALWAYS constant problems and stupid decisions, and, according to Sinister, there's always a silver lining to TNA's decisions.
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 20, 2010 23:21:55 GMT -5
I have visited the WWE section(I just got off it) & there are people like that on there, plus I have read his posts since I'm usually on the Impact thread nearly every week & I disagree with him on occasion, it's just I don't hate TNA because it's TNA or because it's not WWE, though I do bash them when they deserve it(I don't want Hall back either). Plus, I have over 3000 posts, it's kinda stupid to think I haven't visited the WWE thread, especially since I've been on that section more than any other on this site. Sinister catches so much crap because TNA is mind-numbingly stupid to a LOT of people. TNA's actions are indefensible to some. So seeing Dixie herself Sinister defending them like he's getting paid to do so, it baffles people. I know I'm convinced that he's on TNA's payroll. That's the only logical conclusion I can come to. Or maybe I actually LIKE the product. Is it THAT FREAKING HARD to understand?! Is that so goddamn alien to you that someone could actually like a show, that the only obvious answer is that I need to have to be some mindless slave or earning money for it?! That I can see the occasional bad segment or bad performances and not hold onto them and let me ruin the entire show for me is such a foreign concept that the mere idea of it is laughable to you?!?! IS IT THAT DAMN HARD TO GRASP FOR YOU?!?!? IS IT THAT STRANGE TO SEE SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY WATCHES THE DAMN COMPANY BECAUSE HE LIKES IT?!?!
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Post by JMA on Sept 20, 2010 23:36:34 GMT -5
Dixie Carter is stupid, this is something that can no longer be denied. But she's still hot. Man.
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Post by Cable "Showgrill" Jones on Sept 20, 2010 23:37:06 GMT -5
No. I looove the guy, but seeing him on television like he is makes me sad. Bringing him back as soon as he gets out of rehab is way too soon.
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Krimzon
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Post by Krimzon on Sept 20, 2010 23:37:31 GMT -5
Sinister catches so much crap because TNA is mind-numbingly stupid to a LOT of people. TNA's actions are indefensible to some. So seeing Dixie herself Sinister defending them like he's getting paid to do so, it baffles people. I know I'm convinced that he's on TNA's payroll. That's the only logical conclusion I can come to. Or maybe I actually LIKE the product. Is it THAT FREAKING HARD to understand?! Is that so goddamn alien to you that someone could actually like a show, that the only obvious answer is that I need to have to be some mindless slave or earning money for it?! That I can see the occasional bad segment or bad performances and not hold onto them and let me ruin the entire show for me is such a foreign concept that the mere idea of it is laughable to you?!?! IS IT THAT DAMN HARD TO GRASP FOR YOU?!?!? IS IT THAT STRANGE TO SEE SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY WATCHES THE DAMN COMPANY BECAUSE HE LIKES IT?!?! Hey, I like TNA too. I really do. They do some things very well, but I can admit when they've screwed up or booked questionable angles. It comes off like you are okay with everything this company does. It seems like you zero in on posts that are negative and force yourself to post a positive spin on whatever TNA is doing. It may not actually be like that, but that's how it seems. Somebody posts something negative and it's almost like you take it personally. I've never seen any fan be in TNA's corner like that, and yes, it is extremely foreign to me. I've got no heat with you. You're entitled to your opinion like everybody else. If you can watch TNA and justify the stupid things this company does, more power to you.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Sept 20, 2010 23:38:22 GMT -5
I have visited the WWE section(I just got off it) & there are people like that on there, plus I have read his posts since I'm usually on the Impact thread nearly every week & I disagree with him on occasion, it's just I don't hate TNA because it's TNA or because it's not WWE, though I do bash them when they deserve it(I don't want Hall back either). Plus, I have over 3000 posts, it's kinda stupid to think I haven't visited the WWE thread, especially since I've been on that section more than any other on this site. The "you don't visit the WWE section" remark was just figuratively speaking, of course you've had to have visit the WWE section. Thing is, not many HAVE a "WWE can do no wrong" mentality, because people are constantly pointing out WWE's flaws (some which are minor), despise some of the great booking lately. As oppose to here, where TNA is just a giant mess with a 1998 booking mentality and a great roster of athletes, there is ALWAYS constant problems and stupid decisions, and, according to Sinister, there's always a silver lining to TNA's decisions. I didn't say many have that mentality, but some do, I was just wondering why he was called out on it but the ones who do it for WWE aren't(well, besides me I guess)? Like I said, I agree some of the things TNA does is stupid, I just don't act like it's the worst thing in the history of ever, same when WWE does stupid things.
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Post by thesam07 on Sept 20, 2010 23:49:41 GMT -5
Let's cool our jets people and get back on topic.
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Yami Daimao
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Post by Yami Daimao on Sept 21, 2010 0:02:25 GMT -5
The "you don't visit the WWE section" remark was just figuratively speaking, of course you've had to have visit the WWE section. Thing is, not many HAVE a "WWE can do no wrong" mentality, because people are constantly pointing out WWE's flaws (some which are minor), despise some of the great booking lately. As oppose to here, where TNA is just a giant mess with a 1998 booking mentality and a great roster of athletes, there is ALWAYS constant problems and stupid decisions, and, according to Sinister, there's always a silver lining to TNA's decisions. I didn't say many have that mentality, but some do, I was just wondering why he was called out on it but the ones who do it for WWE aren't(well, besides me I guess)? Like I said, I agree some of the things TNA does is stupid, I just don't act like it's the worst thing in the history of ever, same when WWE does stupid things. Oh, than I have yet to see these people with a "WWE can do no wrong" mentality. I'm not saying you're lying or anything, just that I haven't seen anyone like that for myself. If anything, I see more people who call out the ones with the "WWE can do wrong" mentality. But this isn't the right section to discuss WWE related stuff. And Sinister, it's cool that you could enjoy TNA, I use to enjoy TNA late last year, but their stuff today just bores me, minus the great occasional matches. It's just that, when you call people out on their negativity, you kind of give off this "all you smarks like to do is complain and complain, my opinion is more legit" vibe, and since you never seem to admit about the stuff TNA is doing wrong (like bringing back Hall), that's why people think of you as a complete TNA fanboy. EDIT: Since I just saw the mod's post after posting mine, I'll just end it here.
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 21, 2010 0:10:23 GMT -5
Or maybe I actually LIKE the product. Is it THAT FREAKING HARD to understand?! Is that so goddamn alien to you that someone could actually like a show, that the only obvious answer is that I need to have to be some mindless slave or earning money for it?! That I can see the occasional bad segment or bad performances and not hold onto them and let me ruin the entire show for me is such a foreign concept that the mere idea of it is laughable to you?!?! IS IT THAT DAMN HARD TO GRASP FOR YOU?!?!? IS IT THAT STRANGE TO SEE SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY WATCHES THE DAMN COMPANY BECAUSE HE LIKES IT?!?! Hey, I like TNA too. I really do. They do some things very well, but I can admit when they've screwed up or booked questionable angles. It comes off like you are okay with everything this company does. It seems like you zero in on posts that are negative and force yourself to post a positive spin on whatever TNA is doing. It may not actually be like that, but that's how it seems. Somebody posts something negative and it's almost like you take it personally. I've never seen any fan be in TNA's corner like that, and yes, it is extremely foreign to me. I've got no heat with you. You're entitled to your opinion like everybody else. If you can watch TNA and justify the stupid things this company does, more power to you. You know what, I'm gonna do you a favor. You want to me say stuff I hate in TNA? Prove I'm normal and not Vince Russo under a difference name? Give you some peace of mind or something? Well, fine. Here's what I hate, no silver lining, no positive spin, no nothing: -Dixie Carter has the worst theme song today. THE WORST! -I'm also getting tired of hearing her voice. It's getting grating. Short and simple would be fine, but she needs to cut out the long promos. -I don't give a damn about the BP except Madison. I don't hate them at all, I just don't care. I care about some of the other girls, like Taylor and Sarita and Daffney, and wish they would show up more. -The occasion production hiccup. I usually let them go during the first few shows getting used to it, but after that, I think they should have learned by now. -Abyss is really hokey as a talker, and I liked it much better when all he did was fold his arms and grunt. Also, when his shirt was blue. -If you're gonna have the announcers make sexual comments about the women, just have Taz do it. Leave Mike Tenay out of it. It's almost creepy. -WHERE THE HELL IS HERNANDEZ?!?! -Minor, but I hate having to spell Brooke's TNA name. Why make it so damn complex?! I get it, it's a Superman reference. They should have went with Batman Returns, and make it Ms. Kyle! -A personal one, where they mislabeled a preshow meet and greet time and screwed me out of that on the last house show I went to. It almost pissed me off enough to leave and go back home. I JUST WASTED 20 BUCKS OFF MY TICKET OVER YOU MESSING UP THE TIME!! ((Also, this bitchy security guard that looked like HHH mixed with Barry Horowitz, but pretty sure he worked for the arena,not TNA. If not, add him too!)) But after all that, I don't let them get to me. Why? Cause there's something else to pretty much take my mind of it, and makes me let it go, be it a good match or a funny promo or a good angle on TV. Heck, even after the issue at the house show, I cooled out and forgot it after watching the show and enjoying meeting some of the wrestlers after. I just don't let the things get to me, and I honestly don't get why that's so damn strange to people! and really, that's all I'm gonna say on the matter to avoid anything else here.
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Post by Lancers on Sept 21, 2010 0:24:43 GMT -5
Scott Hall's had more second chances than Lindsay Lohan. I say give him a few more. Eventually, it has a slight chance of working out.
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Sept 21, 2010 4:45:24 GMT -5
Right. If we disregard Scott's demons, if we disregard how many chances he has been given over the years (either in WWE, WCW or TNA) and if we disregard whether or not he should be given any further chances based on his past performance, then what are we left with?
A middle aged, past his prime wrestler whose greatest achievement (in the eyes of the majority of fans) was to be a second tier champion in the WWE.
That may sound brutal or harsh, but really, that's what it boils down to. Scott during his best years never held the top title in any of the big companies he worked for.
So the question is: what exactly could he possibly bring to TNA that would benefit them? Name recognition? As stated above, his name (aside from his issues, which we are disregarding) is synonymous with being one of the few wrestlers from that era who didn't score the big prize.
Even if he HAD won a WHC it's highly debatable as to whether that would carry any weight at this point in time. There are people who may comment on Scott's "revolutionary" aspect; elevating the concept of a Ladder Match is something that he may be remembered for also, but at the end of the day it's highly unlikely that he would be able to compete in such a match now without running out of gas or getting injured.
The bottom line here is that imo, Dixie likes the idea of giving Scott the "opportunity he never had". The problem there of course is that he DID have the opportunities, and he squandered them. While Dixie's approach may seem generous and kind spirited, bear in mind that TNA is not her own personal little wrestling heaven (or it shouldn't be at least). It's a business, a company that is trying to present itself as a real alternative to the WWE. With a fanbase who are very critical of poor decisions and who, arguably, have had to put up with some crap over the years.
Re-hiring Scott Hall at this time is simpy not a good idea. Even if the guy cleans up his act, gets fully back to match fitness and can pull off good to great matches, there are more than enough young, home grown wrestlers in TNA who could do the same thing AND reflect more positively on the company and its attitude towards the fans and the business.
Just my opinion of course.
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Post by Pseudonym on Sept 21, 2010 10:13:20 GMT -5
God Dixie. You ever wonder why.... Ok screw it Dixie you fail to much.
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Post by casualobserver on Sept 21, 2010 10:42:12 GMT -5
If by "Hall" she meant "Steiner", then I'm all for Scott Hall coming back to TNA.
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Post by kuda on Sept 21, 2010 12:59:27 GMT -5
You know, I know it is not the popular opinion, but I really do not see the problem here. Apparently Dixie & Scott Hall talked before he went to rehab and I assume that during the course of that conversation, they discussed him coming back to TNA after his rehab was finished. So this is just Dixie staying true to her word, which is commendable. Has Scott Hall had problems in the past? Most certainly. However, if Hall was worried about losing his job, he could have just as easily not went to rehab and staying in TNA instead during his last short-stint.
I like Hall and would like to see him overcome his demons. I am certainly not going to crap on TNA for giving him a chance, after rehab, when they employ Jeff Hardy whom has been INDICTED for opium drug trafficking...
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Post by kuda on Sept 21, 2010 13:01:16 GMT -5
I've got no heat with you. lol
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Sept 21, 2010 13:30:56 GMT -5
If they just wanted Scott to get help and then bring him back, why did he have to go to a WWE funded rehab? That's incredibly bush league.
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