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Post by CM Crünk is teh 'CRAP! on Dec 30, 2010 13:39:24 GMT -5
In America a lot of people have been born into a football team that was passed down from grandfather to father to son. The difference? Our football teams play in the NFL. You see over here in America most people could care less about your style of football, but we are very passionate about ours. I'm a third generation Cleveland Browns fan for example. In fact being a Browns fan actually lead me to becoming an Astin Villa supporter after Browns own Randy Learner bought the team. In any case you should be happy that anyone from America has any interest at all in European football since it would take a monumental effort to for the average Americans follow any team on a more than casual basis. I'm sorry man, but it's ok.
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Post by sryans on Dec 30, 2010 14:08:06 GMT -5
Russia begs to differ! Its not about size and the World Club Cup is an ever growing competition. I can't understand why Americans watch and play sports that the rest of the world laughs at while World sports are rejected in the US... weird.! Not to turn this into a pissing contest or anything, but its because (generally) America doesn't care what the rest of the world thinks about anything, least of all sports. Also, what is there to get? We think football is awesome, we love it. Europeans don't. We understand that it is due to cultural differences. I played soccer through college and was even a 2nd team all conference midfielder my junior and senior year, and I still prefer watching football.
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Post by FrankGotch on Dec 30, 2010 14:09:10 GMT -5
Russia begs to differ! Its not about size and the World Club Cup is an ever growing competition. I can't understand why Americans watch and play sports that the rest of the world laughs at while World sports are rejected in the US... weird.! Give me a break. The only sport I see Europeans making fun of is football, and If you are laughing at football then its obviously, because you don't understand the game. Which is understandable since American football is the most complicated team sport in the world. The games is a multi tier athletic event that involves coach vs coach as much as it involves athlete vs athlete. Every play on both offense, and defense involves complex designs drawn up by the coordinators to out flank the other team. Everyman on the field has a job and if that job is not done to perfection it could destroy the entire play. More than any other sport American football is a thinking mans game that is filled to the brim with action. On every play eleven separate men all preform a different responsibly with the goal of completing a single task. Why bother getting mad at people who don't even fully grasp the game they are criticizing? Especially since the people who do it mostly come off as uneducated trolls. Its hard to take anyones opinion seriously if they talking crap about something they don't even understand.
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Post by Mattification on Dec 30, 2010 14:11:57 GMT -5
How do you know what people understand?
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Post by sryans on Dec 30, 2010 14:13:17 GMT -5
If you don't watch football, it is very difficult to understand football. I would assume that most Europeans don't understand all the complexities.
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Post by Square on Dec 30, 2010 14:14:44 GMT -5
If you don't watch football, it is very difficult to understand football. I would assume that most Europeans don't understand all the complexities. Football is complex?
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Post by ScottishProWrestling on Dec 30, 2010 14:28:25 GMT -5
They are all in one league, that's not going to compete with the world, that the world coming to compete with you! Though they are all minority sport in a worldwide sense. Get out and compete in International competitions. The Olympics doesn't count, i mean, for "Soccer" they have an under 23 age rule! 1. Basketball, baseball, and hockey are hardly minority sports world wide. 2. There is a reason why other players around the world come to us. Its because the US, and Canada is where the elite players come to play in football, baseball, basketball, hockey. Because our leagues are made up of the best of the best. Same reason why the best American soccer stars usually go to Europe. 3. As I pointed out earlier besides soccer and cricket the US is already pretty much at the top or near the top in most international sports, and in soccer we aren't that bad and we only seem to be getting better. 4. Do you really want us to dominate soccer as well? That is a serious question, because if the US had an interest in soccer we would. The US has no problem turning out world class athletes by the barrel full. The thing is that virtually all of those guys end up in the NFL NBA NHL or MLB, because those are the sports that we all shoot for from a young age. If the US does develop a viable major soccer league then watch out world because as it is now we are fielding throw away athletes on our world cup team and they are still good enough to be in the lower tier of the best teams in the world. It would take some serious going to create a team to compete with the current Spanish side, who are, arguably the best side in history. Basketball, Hockey and Baseball aren't minority sports? Good luck finding them a regular tv slot before 2am or drawing fans (outside of a potential one off NBA game) of any decent number in Europe, South America, Africa and most of Asia then.
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Post by Curt Hawkins Fan on Dec 30, 2010 14:34:17 GMT -5
I used to be very passionate about soccer.
Back when I was 8 in the second grade I played on the blue team. Damn you yellow team our cross city rivals!
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Post by Square on Dec 30, 2010 14:34:54 GMT -5
I used to be very passionate about soccer. Back when I was 8 in the second grade I played on the blue team. Damn you yellow team our cross city rivals! So how come you lose passion?
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Post by FrankGotch on Dec 30, 2010 14:35:24 GMT -5
How do you know what people understand? Because I'm a life long football fan who has played the game on a college level, and there are times when I am left scratching my head when it comes to the rules. Also like I pointed out the game is very complicated, and I don't expect casual fans, especially a guy whose only exposure is youtube clips and occasional highlights to understand anything about the game. Football is literally a game that evolves. The main goal may not change a lot, but the strategies to reach those goals change constantly. Football is just not a game that anyone can watch a few hours and gain a general knowledge of quickly. It normally takes years of exposure before someone can break down formations, or appreciate the intricacies of the offensive line. How am I supposed to expect a guy who has had no exposer to the game to understand things like nickel defense, a pulling guard, the responsibleness of a weak side linebacker if he is assigned to blitz but the QB audibles the tight end to his side of the line? It is a complicated game and unless some one has spent years studying and watching it there is no reason to assume they understand it.
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Post by Curt Hawkins Fan on Dec 30, 2010 14:36:25 GMT -5
I used to be very passionate about soccer. Back when I was 8 in the second grade I played on the blue team. Damn you yellow team our cross city rivals! So how come you lose passion? I turned 9.
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Post by FrankGotch on Dec 30, 2010 14:49:14 GMT -5
It would take some serious going to create a team to compete with the current Spanish side, who are, arguably the best side in history. Basketball, Hockey and Baseball aren't minority sports? Good luck finding them a regular tv slot before 2am or drawing fans (outside of a potential one off NBA game) of any decent number in Europe, South America, Africa and most of Asia then. You might want to do some research South America, and most of Asia are basketball crazy. Baseball is also big in Japan, Central, and South America. Also like I said before if Americans gave a crap about soccer we'd be at or near the top just like every other sport. Its just the way that our country is set up, we are great at turning out world class athletes. Heck the funniest thing about this thread is that for all your criticizing the US soccer team is still worlds better then your own national team.
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Post by sryans on Dec 30, 2010 14:55:45 GMT -5
You mean that team the US beat the last time the two teams played?
And Hungary from the 1950s was the best team ever, they may have never won a world cup, but Spain needed a last second goal to beat the Dutch (and many other teams they played).
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Dec 30, 2010 15:08:09 GMT -5
And Hungary from the 1950s was the best team ever, they may have never won a world cup, but Spain needed a last second goal to beat the Dutch (and many other teams they played). That Hungarian side was one of the best International teams ever but I'd go with the 1982 Brazil side. That side was just as good as the famous 1970 side IMO even if they never won the World Cup. It was possibly the most competitive period in International Football, so there were many other great teams around at the time. The 82 side were miles better than the 1994 and 2002 World Cup winning sides.
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Post by Mattification on Dec 30, 2010 15:13:42 GMT -5
How do you know what people understand? Because I'm a life long football fan who has played the game on a college level, and there are times when I am left scratching my head when it comes to the rules. Also like I pointed out the game is very complicated, and I don't expect casual fans, especially a guy whose only exposure is youtube clips and occasional highlights to understand anything about the game. Football is literally a game that evolves. The main goal may not change a lot, but the strategies to reach those goals change constantly. Football is just not a game that anyone can watch a few hours and gain a general knowledge of quickly. It normally takes years of exposure before someone can break down formations, or appreciate the intricacies of the offensive line. How am I supposed to expect a guy who has had no exposer to the game to understand things like nickel defense, a pulling guard, the responsibleness of a weak side linebacker if he is assigned to blitz but the QB audibles the tight end to his side of the line? It is a complicated game and unless some one has spent years studying and watching it there is no reason to assume they understand it. Well for one thing, I would say that a general understanding of American football can be picked in a few minutes. Sure there are obscure rules etc, but then that applies to any sport. Do you honestly think that soccer teams don't employ complicated tactics and formations? Everything you said there, with the exception of the terminology could also be applied to soccer, and many other sports as well. Also, American football is on TV here all the time. While it doesn't get the same coverage as other sports on the news for example, it's a well known sport so assuming that Europeans only see it on Youtube would be incorrect. Which pretty much sums up my point here. While there's little doubt the OP has moved away from 'look at this silly article' and into trolling, it would be hard to argue that you haven't fallen into the same trap. Your complaint to him is that he is ignorant on the subject, yet your last few posts are also based on assumptions and cultural stereotypes.
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Post by Square on Dec 30, 2010 15:16:03 GMT -5
So how come you lose passion? I turned 9. How come age was such an importance in your love of the beautiful game?
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Post by Curt Hawkins Fan on Dec 30, 2010 15:20:53 GMT -5
How come age was such an importance in your love of the beautiful game? Didn't have a flag football league in 2nd grade, but they did in 3rd.
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Post by Square on Dec 30, 2010 15:26:29 GMT -5
How come age was such an importance in your love of the beautiful game? Didn't have a flag football league in 2nd grade, but they did in 3rd. Is that normal in the US, the idea of not being able to do more than one sport?
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Post by Mattification on Dec 30, 2010 15:28:20 GMT -5
Didn't have a flag football league in 2nd grade, but they did in 3rd. Is that normal in the US, the idea of not being able to do more than one sport? Our school only had a football team. Would have had to look elsewhere ifI had wanted to play anything else.
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Post by Curt Hawkins Fan on Dec 30, 2010 15:29:19 GMT -5
Didn't have a flag football league in 2nd grade, but they did in 3rd. Is that normal in the US, the idea of not being able to do more than one sport? Nah, I just love football a lot more than soccer. It's like playing pong, then moving up to Super Mario. Both are great but once you play one, interest in the other fades away.
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