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Post by fw91 on Dec 21, 2010 19:23:04 GMT -5
I agree, I'm just saying that if he didn't have that all powerful idol [much more powerful than the one they have on the show today] he would have been the merge boot of Cook Islands! Luck played a role in every winner's win though. Some more than others. But Yul for sure did some crazy genius stuff with the tools he was given. Anyone else, not sure if this was mentioned, get really mad that they snubbed Yve, Jill, Benry, KPurp, and most of all TYRONE and loaded up on Boston Rob talking about his baby and Terry Bradshaw? Hell you don't even have to trash those segments completely shave both of them in half and you have time to get a quick update from these people who came all that way to be at the reunion. Those segments were like the guest host crap on RAW to me to make a wrestling comparison. Edit: Na Onka's mom...Chase's song... I'm more upset that made Jane out to look like a Saint, when i cant stand the bitch, who is the epitome of bitter.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 21, 2010 20:40:39 GMT -5
She won fan favorite against likeable characters like Holly and Jud by the widest margin and with the most votes in the history of the fan favorite award. More votes than Rupert, Russell, James.
There's something to be said about that. Especially since it's not like the edit really tried all that hard to hide her negative, bitter, bitchy side. Something about her clicked with the casual audience (and me).
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Dec 21, 2010 23:11:33 GMT -5
I really don't want discussion to be over, since I love Survivor so much! But the season is over. So I figured I'd throw this out there for the other Survivor fans on the board: Have you ever thought about auditioning? And if so, how do you think you'd do? (i.e., what would be your strategy? Rely on strength, flying under the radar, being likable, just avoiding making enemies, etc.?)
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Post by Shy Guy on Dec 21, 2010 23:13:40 GMT -5
i'd love to do survivor but:
1. they don't take canadian applicants
2. i hate rice
3. i dehydrate easily, and pass out if i get to hot.
all that aside, i think i could at least make it to the merge. i'd absolutely avoid making any enemies, but i think my temper might get in the way of that.
mgh and i have actually discussed this before lol
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Dec 21, 2010 23:22:54 GMT -5
i'd love to do survivor but: 1. they don't take canadian applicants 2. i hate rice 3. i dehydrate easily, and pass out if i get to hot. all that aside, i think i could at least make it to the merge. i'd absolutely avoid making any enemies, but i think my temper might get in the way of that. mgh and i have actually discussed this before lol I have an anxiety disorder (i.e., you freak out over situations you can't get out of), and I'll be damned if I wind up a quitter like NaOnka or Purple Kelly, so I guess I'll never be on Survivor. Although I haven't had anything close to a panic attack in over six years. Of course, I doubt they're going to let me take the meds that make that possible on the show. Which sucks, because I'm such a die-hard game that I'm almost convinced I could play a great under-the-radar game. If I were a 100%, I could guarantee I'd at least make the merge. Not that it would be easy in the least, and it would all be contingent upon the variables of the season (new twists, unpredictable personalities, eight hundred idols getting used and rehidden), but I truly, genuinely think I could do it.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 21, 2010 23:25:08 GMT -5
i would never do it, cause i have no experiecne in the outdoors whatsoever, and would be able to do most things required. i'd essentailly be like Dan, but maybe a bit more preductive in challenges. but if i did i would make a strong alliance with the "prick strategist," (Sash, Russell)but will be the true mastermind becasue they can play to the end, but wont have a chance in the jury the quiet shy girl,(Natalie, Purple Kelly) who will make a commitment right off the bat. of the season, the token old lady of the season because they know their age is a liabilty and will want the security of making past the first few tribals,(Wanda, Betsy, Gillian) and the jock(but not strategic) for challenges.(Ozzy, Fabio, Bobby Jon) Also during downtime when the game is not on, I would try to bond with non alliance members, and talk about personal lives, and interests, so i could gain some likeabilty points, and not come across as an asshole
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Post by fw91 on Dec 21, 2010 23:33:04 GMT -5
oh and right off teh bat, i'd vote off the girl who is either flirty or looking to make alliances. (Steph, Amanda, Eliza, Parvati.) those girls are dangerous
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Post by MGH on Dec 22, 2010 0:07:50 GMT -5
I just want to get this off my chest. It's not directed at anyone in particular here, just a sentiment I've noticed a lot in general and I've finally reached a breaking point: A having an in your face strategy does not necessarily equal having a good one. Nor does having a larger than life personality equal being a better strategist or more deserving. Just because someone is throwing immunity idols around like candy or every time they attempt a move they make a big to-do about it doesn't mean they know what they're doing. Nor does it mean that it's automatically the best move out there. Strategy is very cerebral and very cerebral people don't tend to be the most exciting as they're always in their own head. Observation is, by the nature of the act, very quiet and low key because to observe things in their true state, you need to be undetected. That's not exactly a thrilling thing to watch someone do, nor is it something that's easily shown over a period of time because not only does that not make for good tv, but it's hard to always catch someone in the middle of observing. In the same vein, ability to read people and act accordingly without seeming out of character is something inwardly personal and hard to show. The best way you know someone is doing so on this show is in them mentioning it in confessionals, but that doesn't necessarily equate "good tv." Also, Survivor isn't about one big move, it's about a bunch of small ones. You don't make one large move and get straight to the end. You need to move the pieces around and work your way there, maybe making one huge, turning point move along the way. The thing is though, these are all important things to winning the game. It's almost like a catch 22 for the show - they need to make the program interesting but the actual best representation of a winner for it, their strategy is hard to detect in large, booming moves. I love Yul but one of the reasons people he think he's so boring is because he's cerebral. He was always thinking, thinking, thinking and that's why his moves worked. I saw the idol used up-thread about him (admittedly in a slightly different argument as this one but it got me thinking) and the thing about Yul's use of the idol was that he only had the one. He had one chance to use it well and he sat on it and thought about it and when the time came, he did it. (Multiple idols are a different discussion for a different day lol.) It was his big move amongst all his little ones. I also love Earl and hate when people talk about him being undeserving; that it should have been (I presume) Yau Man. Yau definitely strategized...along with Earl. It wasn't just one man doing the thinking in that pair and when Dreamz handed that turning point moment over to Earl, he took it because it was the big move he knew he had to make after making a bunch of small ones to get to that point. Just because Yau was the sweet, surprisingly strong older man in the pair doesn't mean he was the only one with a brain. Earl was just the more understated character. Brian Heidik. Not the most thrilling to watch because he was cold and calculating (I actually find that interesting, but in terms of the general populous for a tv show, I realize it isn't) but I'd argue he is in the upper echelon of winners of Survivor. He focused in, thought it through and won the war. I'm sure this next one will get someone all in a tiff but I don't care. Sandra in Heroes vs. Villains (and Pearl Islands, but especially HvV) is the quintessential example of what I'm talking about. I'll argue to the death about Sandra playing the best game out there and being the most deserving. Sandra is adept at the observation part of the game. She is also very aware of her physical limitations and adjusts accordingly (I'll also argue that the challenges mean way less than people think they do, but again - different discussion, different day.) The main ingredient to Sandra's game was observation - it helped her to 1) recognize when she may be in trouble 2) formulate what she saw as the best course of action, even if that meant laying back and waiting 3) realize that the people whose support her strategy hinged on were not going to go along with her (ex: Candice) which then leads to 5) her changing her course of action to make sure she was safe and 6) recognizing that after a certain point, keeping Russell around was a better idea than getting rid of him at that point because of how badly he burned people. The main cog in my Sandra argument though, is how the voting broke down: All the heroes voted for her. Their solid voting block showed their recognition of her strategy and her honesty with them. They messed it up due to their LACK of observation and realized that when they went home, falling like dominoes. In the end, it wasn't about Russell busting out an idol every five seconds or Parvati smiling her enormous smile while she buddied up with Russell, rubbing her moves in their faces by doing so. It was about Sandra sitting back, looking around and moving herself forward without gloating or making a spectacle of herself at the others expense. Parvati's biggest blunder (and always Russell's) was Sandra's most important move and it's nothing bombastic - her moves didn't leave the bodies in her wake bitter at how they were treated. Nothing flashy about it but insanely important and she's the only one that did it. Even now, with Jud, he's not going to get his due because at its core, his strategy is very similar to Sandra's. Listening to him at the reunion talking about how aware he is of the vibe he gives off and in turn, how people generally respond to him - the kid has incredibly keen observation skills and a great ability to read others. And like Sandra, he knew when to sit on his hands and when to make a move. He didn't need to have all the power all the way through because it would have made him a target (likable AND coming on strong?) and because he got it when it was most important. Sash, for all his thinking and scheming, didn't think about the bodies in his wake either. Jud did. Now, if Chase would have won over either of them, then we'd have an argument on our hands about the least deserving person winning (as it is, I think it's BS he got 4 votes and Sash got none because they both pissed people off but at least Sash used his brain to do so.) So to me, with Jud, it's not about picking the "least offensive" person. It's about picking the person who took the best course of action for what the game dictates. I just think it's a shame that lately more than ever, people are writing off certain winners as being undeserving just because they're not in your face with every single move they make. It's not about how much they entertained you (though I tend to find these people more entertaining than others, I've come to find) it's about actual game play, when it comes to "being deserving" and I'm kind of sick of it. I didn't mean for this to be some epic monologue but I had to get that out. A fine post, but I will never believe Sandra deserved to win, as far as I'm concerned, Parvati got screwed. Unfortunately for her, Parvati made one mistake that ended up costing her the game. I don't even hold her in the same esteem and acclaim as others, but I do think she's too smart to have let it happen. Taking Russell to the end in HER case was a blunder of epic proportions. It not only allowed Sandra to tee off about how close they really were, but it eliminated Parvati's ability to go, "hey now, Sandra can say that's how she perceives it, but he isn't sitting here now, is he?". In that final six (I believe) Tribal, Parvati had the necklace, she had three people willing to play ball, and she had the opportunity to completely distance herself from him. If she does that, she gets to go to final tribal and explain to all the Heroes that she completely used him for all he was worth, never followed his attitude and train of thought, and cut him loose because she didn't want to be associated with him any longer. And on the heels of him eliminating her best friend in the game, it would have made Parvati look like a million bucks. Who was going to win immunity to stop her after that? Sandra and Colby were worthless in challenges, Rupert couldn't win squat, and at that point Jerri couldn't get rid of her before another person left first. It was win-win, and I truly believe that one blunder cost Parvati a million bucks. Sandra didn't make that mistake and played a phenomenal social game, and that's why I have no problem giving her the title for HvV. Not trying to sway you, just my thoughts on it.
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Post by MGH on Dec 22, 2010 0:14:09 GMT -5
I really don't want discussion to be over, since I love Survivor so much! But the season is over. So I figured I'd throw this out there for the other Survivor fans on the board: Have you ever thought about auditioning? And if so, how do you think you'd do? (i.e., what would be your strategy? Rely on strength, flying under the radar, being likable, just avoiding making enemies, etc.?) I've definitely thought about it before, and imagined what it would be like, but never seriously enough to consider auditioning. If my life is in a different place in five years or so, I could see myself saying what the hell and tossing my hat in the ring. The outdoor elements and lack of food wouldn't bother me so much. I think the boredom and monotony would kill me though. I'm someone who has trouble going to sleep some nights without music, podcasts, TV, something going on in the background. Spending hours and hours having repeat conversations and laying there in silence would drive me up the wall. I'd end up being the crazy fool who tries to talk game 24/7 and I'd probably get voted off because of it. If I got that in check though, I believe I could handle the strategic part of the game well enough to at least make the merge. I don't know that I could ever win. Even though my favorite players don't play this way, I'm just naturally the kind of person who is shoot first, ask questions later. I'd do what I needed to do, but by the time I got to the final tribal I'd get slaughtered.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 22, 2010 4:43:59 GMT -5
I'd love to go on Survivor, but I think I'm better suited for Big Brother.
For one, when playing online versions I do so much better in BB than at Survivor. And for two I wouldn't have to deal with the elements.
On the other hand, Big Brother has more producer interference and I'd just hate to get caught on the wrong side of that... not that Survivor has none but still.
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Dec 22, 2010 5:22:15 GMT -5
The Elements and Nature is one of the reasons I prefer watching Survivor over Big Brother. Which takes place in a house. Watching people strategize in bed, doesn't quite interest me as much. I guess Big Brother is better fit for those who focus in on the strategy part over the other cool aspects of the survivor game. The physicality and all that. Using more than just your brain. We'd be missing winners like Tom Freakin' Westman if there wasn't the other aspects involved.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 22, 2010 7:07:54 GMT -5
I was referring to which show I'd do better on myself I prefer watching Survivor
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 22, 2010 18:16:16 GMT -5
IQ scores for the players this season! Interesting!
Kelly Bruno - 139 Judson "Fabio" Birza - 137 Jill Behm - 135 Marty Piombo - 132 Brenda Lowe - 130 Kelly Shinn - 129 Matthew "Sash" Lenahan - 127 Dan Lembo - 125 Yve Rojas - 121 Jimmy Johnson - 121 Tyrone Davis - 118 Holly Hoffman - 116 James Tarantino - 111 Alina Wilson - 108 Benry Henry - 104 Chase Rice - 101 Jane Bright - 98 NaOnka Mixon - 96 Wendy DeSmidt-Koh - 96 Shannon Elkins - 95
This I found interesting
Everyone at least "average" rage.
Jane, Wendy, Na Onka, Shannon are the ones with bellow average IQs if you consider 100 the median. Chase is almost smack dab on average. Shannon being the very lowest is not remotely shocking, but
Great majority of the cast is above average.
The biggest shock is Kelly Shinn being that high. What the hell happened there? There's no way...Almost everyone else makes perfect sense to me. Even Jud being as high as he is makes sense to me actually. I guess I'd have expected Alina to be a touch higher.
Noone's a genius but Kelly Bruno is right on the boderline.
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Post by Shy Guy on Dec 22, 2010 18:32:48 GMT -5
what is the IQ score to be a genius? 140 ish?
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 22, 2010 19:01:09 GMT -5
Yeah.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Dec 22, 2010 19:25:12 GMT -5
I don't audition because I can't swim.
But my IQ is 154.
Meaning I am more that 60% smarter than NaOnka.
But then again, who isn't?
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 22, 2010 21:06:31 GMT -5
The list is probably fake guys sorry. But I prefer to believe in it's veracity because it's interesting
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 21:12:58 GMT -5
I'm willing to believe that's true.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Dec 22, 2010 21:30:50 GMT -5
I don't audition because I can't swim. But my IQ is 154. Meaning I am more that 60% smarter than NaOnka. But then again, who isn't? Gervase from the first season couldn't swim and just lounged around contributing nothing to camp, and made it to around top 7 before anybody caught on that maybe he shouldn't get to the end. And Cirie didn't know how to do a damn thing outdoors and became one of the most beloved Survivor contestants in history. But yeah, you should probably at least know how to build a fire. And that is one area (among many) in which I'm severely lacking.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2010 1:38:24 GMT -5
I think I'd do alright on Survivor, but I'd definitely fall victim to a hot underhanded girl. I'm so whipped. But yeah I'd never do that show. It just seems like it takes such a toll on your mental health. Big Brother however, I am definitely applying for after my b-day next year. It's a longer game than Survivor, and I'd miss my DVR like crazy, but it's my one big goal in life.
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