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Post by Greer on Dec 28, 2010 10:00:59 GMT -5
I know he was never loved around here but there was a point where there was a lot of Cena positivity on this board.
Mostly around Wrestlemania time and during his push for Evan Bourne. There wasn't a bad thing said about the guy. Yeah I know it was mostly for his stuff outside of the ring, but still.
Now he is feuding with CM Punk.
Look, I am not a huge Cena fan, but I really do like him. I find Punk entertaining, though I don't think everything he does is money.
I just get a strong feeling for the next 2-3 months there will be nothing but:
"Cena was lame tonight, Punk was awesome tonight"
"Did you see how Punk looked out of the corner of his eye? Money!"
"The way Punk smirked made that segment"
"Cena just can't keep up with Punk in this segment"
Punk is very good, but sometimes I feel that everything he does gets magnified so much as the best thing ever, and I like the guy.
This isn't a criticism of anyone, but I just have a feeling Cena will be buried on these boards no matter what he does or says against Punk in the upcoming months.
On Raw I thought Cena held his own during the opening segment. The segment wasn't Rock vs Austin caliber by either guy, but I thought both guys had some nice back and forth. However everyone says Cena got owned and looked like a fool.
I just hope this doesn't turn into everything Cena does sucks and everything Punk does is amazing.
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Post by Full of IT. on Dec 28, 2010 10:03:20 GMT -5
I like Cena the person, I like Cena the wrestler, but I hate Cena the TV character. I can no longer cringe my way through his "funny" promo's and I'm amped that Punk will now be telling him "he's not funny" on a weekly basis.
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Post by ilggant on Dec 28, 2010 10:04:21 GMT -5
CM Sucks
That is all
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Post by Johnny Truant on Dec 28, 2010 10:07:09 GMT -5
The problem I have with John Cena is I think too much about what he does.
For example, he gets fired, and he has a great farewell speech the next night. Okay, that's fine, I don't really care. Then he shows up next week, and the week after, and the week after that, and that really bothered me. It bothered me not because I hate seeing Cena week after week (truth be told, he's grown on me quite a lot over the years), but because what he was doing went against everything he stands for. There's no "hustle, loyalty, and respect" in being a sore loser and showing up to the place at which you had been fired and making everyone's life a living hell. That bothered the crap out of me.
Also, I really, really, really hate him for saying "CM Sucks" tonight. Not because CM Punk is one of my favorite wrestlers, but because of the sheer idiocy of it, the tone of voice in which he said it, and the number of times he said it. Everything about that was just plain wrong.
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Post by spagett on Dec 28, 2010 10:11:28 GMT -5
It's been said a million times but I'm sure everyone on here likes Cena the person. He seems a really cool guy.
The Cena we see on TV making truly awful jokes week after week after week is very annoying. Plus ever since he was "fired" he has lost a lot of goodwill from people because it was just an awful piece of booking.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 10:13:34 GMT -5
My girlfriend said it best last night.
"Ugh, John Cena. The guy's a meathead. He's not funny or witty - he's just a meathead."
John Cena: Meathead.
I think Cena can't do comedy and that's what he's been scripted to do.
When Cena does normal or serious - its not so bad, but the hammy routine they've given him and mugging so much they should put a handle on the side of his face makes it hard to watch.
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Post by Piccolo on Dec 28, 2010 10:16:09 GMT -5
Greer, I guess I'm a little confused. Do you want people to lie about how they're perceiving the feud? I get that you weren't embarrassed by Cena's cheesiness last night, but I'm not sure whether you're trying to imply that people WEREN'T really cringing at what he said, but they're just faking it for some reason, or whether you're implying that if people WERE really cringing, they should fake that they weren't.
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Post by Greer on Dec 28, 2010 10:16:52 GMT -5
My girlfriend said it best last night. "Ugh, John Cena. The guy's a meathead. He's not funny or witty - he's just a meathead." John Cena: Meathead. I think Cena can't do comedy and that's what he's been scripted to do. When Cena does normal or serious - its not so bad, but the hammy routine they've given him and mugging so much they should put a handle on the side of his face makes it hard to watch. I do think he can do comedy. Just not PG comedy. During the Thuganomics era, he was hilarious. But I see what you're saying.
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Post by Greer on Dec 28, 2010 10:22:28 GMT -5
Greer, I guess I'm a little confused. Do you want people to lie about how they're perceiving the feud? I get that you weren't embarrassed by Cena's cheesiness last night, but I'm not sure whether you're trying to imply that people WEREN'T really cringing at what he said, but they're just faking it for some reason, or whether you're implying that if people WERE really cringing, they should fake that they weren't. No, I'm saying that I have a feeling even if Cena does something good, people are almost predisposed to saying it sucks. That might sound ridiculous, but I can see it happening. I just think of it more as a Punk is awesome, Cena sucks thing. I get a feeling no matter what Cena will do, it will be awful compared to the amazing CM Punk. I don't think people are "faking" reactions, but I do believe they can be over the top sometimes.
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Post by Piccolo on Dec 28, 2010 10:25:31 GMT -5
So, you think you know better than other people do why they're reacting the way they are? Like, everyone's biased, and only you have the objective truth of the matter? No, man, I think that's pretty unlikely. You may just have a higher threshold for Cena's cheesiness than some others. And that's okay, but it doesn't mean they're wrong or you're right. It's just a difference in tastes.
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Post by redpyramidsh on Dec 28, 2010 10:28:20 GMT -5
I don't mind Cena in the least but these segments of his need to stop being so long. It works when the crowd is red hot like they were in last week, but on last night's episode it wasn't so much
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Post by Greer on Dec 28, 2010 10:29:46 GMT -5
So, you think you know better than other people do why they're reacting the way they are? Like, everyone's biased, and only you have the objective truth of the matter? No, man, I think that's pretty unlikely. You may just have a higher threshold for Cena's cheesiness than some others. And that's okay, but it doesn't mean they're wrong or you're right. It's just a difference in tastes. Of course he can be cheesy. But I mean come on. Let's not pretend there aren't people that jump all over Cena because of who he is and the push he has been given. There are such people as haters. That's their job, to hate on something no matter what. Let's not act like these people don't exist.
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Post by Munkie91087 on Dec 28, 2010 10:46:31 GMT -5
CM Sucks might be one of the lamest insults I have ever heard. It's something a 10-year-old comes up with when they get insulted by their friend.
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Post by Piccolo on Dec 28, 2010 10:48:03 GMT -5
So, you think you know better than other people do why they're reacting the way they are? Like, everyone's biased, and only you have the objective truth of the matter? No, man, I think that's pretty unlikely. You may just have a higher threshold for Cena's cheesiness than some others. And that's okay, but it doesn't mean they're wrong or you're right. It's just a difference in tastes. Of course he can be cheesy. But I mean come on. Let's not pretend there aren't people that jump all over Cena because of who he is and the push he has been given. There are such people as haters. That's their job, to hate on something no matter what. Let's not act like these people don't exist. So let me get this straight. First, you started off by saying that everyone on this board was being unreasonably negative about Cena, and you purported to prove it by noting that the general consensus was that Punk came off better than Cena on the mic last night. Integral to this conclusion, it would seem, is the assumption that Punk could never actually be better than Cena at something, so anyone who said so must be biased, and you were going to show us the error of our ways. However, now you're saying that we're not ALL biased and over-the-top after all, but you would like me to agree with you that some people out there just don't like Cena no matter what he does. I'm sure there are people like that out there. I'm just not seeing how they're relevant to what you posted here. Some people may not like Cena no matter what, sure. But who's saying those people were the ones posting last night? Who's saying they also like Punk? And if they're a minority whose very existence is now the topic of our question, rather than whether they comprise the bulk of people who preferred Punk's work to Cena's last night, is it really a big deal? Who cares if there are a handful of haters out there? I don't know, I'm not bothered by people preferring Punk's work to Cena's last night, and I don't think it's indicative of all of us being "haters". If it were, then would your initial premise make any sense (that people were generally positive on Cena's work for a while, but then thought he got pretty cheesy last night)? If we all hated Cena no matter what he did, no one would've been positive on him when he was doing decent work, either. No, I think it makes a lot more sense that Cena got outclassed last night by someone who did a much better job on the mic than he did. And that's okay. Not every wrestler is perfectly equal to every other one on every single night.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Dec 28, 2010 11:00:08 GMT -5
Soem of his stuff is just painfully lame. CM Sucks, the human jar of mayonnaise, JBL is poopy, do I really have to go on?
And plus, EVERY SINGLE THING that we complained about with Cena's farewell promo. The emotion of it, the brilliant delivery, and then he shows up every week. We all bitched horrendously about that, and CM Punk called him on it. CM Punk brought to light every complaint people on this board had about Cena. Thats why Im siding with Punk here.
If CM Punk had spent an entire promo calling him John Queena or something just as lame, Id expect everyone here to call him on it.
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Post by Greer on Dec 28, 2010 11:02:28 GMT -5
Of course he can be cheesy. But I mean come on. Let's not pretend there aren't people that jump all over Cena because of who he is and the push he has been given. There are such people as haters. That's their job, to hate on something no matter what. Let's not act like these people don't exist. So let me get this straight. First, you started off by saying that everyone on this board was being unreasonably negative about Cena, and you purported to prove it by noting that the general consensus was that Punk came off better than Cena on the mic last night. Integral to this conclusion, it would seem, is the assumption that Punk could never actually be better than Cena at something, so anyone who said so must be biased, and you were going to show us the error of our ways. However, now you're saying that we're not ALL biased and over-the-top after all, but you would like me to agree with you that some people out there just don't like Cena no matter what he does. I'm sure there are people like that out there. I'm just not seeing how they're relevant to what you posted here. Some people may not like Cena no matter what, sure. But who's saying those people were the ones posting last night? Who's saying they also like Punk? And if they're a minority whose very existence is now the topic of our question, rather than whether they comprise the bulk of people who preferred Punk's work to Cena's last night, is it really a big deal? Who cares if there are a handful of haters out there? I don't know, I'm not bothered by people preferring Punk's work to Cena's last night, and I don't think it's indicative of all of us being "haters". If it were, then would your initial premise make any sense (that people were generally positive on Cena's work for a while, but then thought he got pretty cheesy last night)? If we all hated Cena no matter what he did, no one would've been positive on him when he was doing decent work, either. No, I think it makes a lot more sense that Cena got outclassed last night by someone who did a much better job on the mic than he did. And that's okay. Not every wrestler is perfectly equal to every other one on every single night. Do I know what everyone thinks? No Do I know if someone is "faking" a reaction? No Of course I don't know these things. My point is that when it comes to THIS storyline and this feud, I get a feeling we will see nothing but threads absolutely burying Cena for just about everything he does and praising Punk for everything he does. How many appreciation threads did Punk get on this board for simply shrugging his shoulders and walking away? There were so many, they had to be locked. All I am saying is that it seems like people will exaggerate their reactions. Do I know this for a fact? No, but I never said it to be a fact. I simply said it seems that way. I just find it a bit annoying when I see 50 threads about how CM Punk's wink was so awesome during a segment on Raw. I never said anyone on the board was a hater. I never said you shouldn't enjoy Punk's work over Cena's. I just said I have a feeling the board will be overloaded with Punk being amazing and Cena sucking no matter how small the action.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 11:05:43 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. First, you started off by saying that everyone on this board was being unreasonably negative about Cena, and you purported to prove it by noting that the general consensus was that Punk came off better than Cena on the mic last night. Integral to this conclusion, it would seem, is the assumption that Punk could never actually be better than Cena at something, so anyone who said so must be biased, and you were going to show us the error of our ways. However, now you're saying that we're not ALL biased and over-the-top after all, but you would like me to agree with you that some people out there just don't like Cena no matter what he does. I'm sure there are people like that out there. I'm just not seeing how they're relevant to what you posted here. Some people may not like Cena no matter what, sure. But who's saying those people were the ones posting last night? Who's saying they also like Punk? And if they're a minority whose very existence is now the topic of our question, rather than whether they comprise the bulk of people who preferred Punk's work to Cena's last night, is it really a big deal? Who cares if there are a handful of haters out there? I don't know, I'm not bothered by people preferring Punk's work to Cena's last night, and I don't think it's indicative of all of us being "haters". If it were, then would your initial premise make any sense (that people were generally positive on Cena's work for a while, but then thought he got pretty cheesy last night)? If we all hated Cena no matter what he did, no one would've been positive on him when he was doing decent work, either. No, I think it makes a lot more sense that Cena got outclassed last night by someone who did a much better job on the mic than he did. And that's okay. Not every wrestler is perfectly equal to every other one on every single night. Do I know what everyone thinks? No Do I know if someone is "faking" a reaction? No Of course I don't know these things. My point is that when it comes to THIS storyline and this feud, I get a feeling we will see nothing but threads absolutely burying Cena for just about everything he does and praising Punk for everything he does. How many appreciation threads did Punk get on this board for simply shrugging his shoulders and walking away? There were so many, they had to be locked. All I am saying is that it seems like people will exaggerate their reactions. Do I know this for a fact? No, but I never said it to be a fact. I simply said it seems that way. I just find it a bit annoying when I see 50 threads about how CM Punk's wink was so awesome during a segment on Raw. I never said anyone on the board was a hater. I never said you shouldn't enjoy Punk's work over Cena's. I just said I have a feeling the board will be overloaded with Punk being amazing and Cena sucking no matter how small the action. . . . . and if it is its because people think Punk is amazing. I don't understand what you're saying - people shouldn't make these threads? What is your general thesis because you're a bit all over the place? Is it just that multiple Punk threads are annoying? That people like Punk more than Cena so much they show favortisim?
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 28, 2010 11:10:00 GMT -5
On the whole I like Cena but the whole firing angle and "CM Sucks" has made be turn against him slightly. Faces shouldn't go back on their word unless provoked, he's ignored stipulations and attacked the rest of Nexus when he was re-hired on the condition that he wouldn't. They also shouldn't attack women. I'm even beginning to like Otunga as I feel a bit sorry for him as he's been treated badly by Barrett and Cena (I've sided with Khali, Swagger, Sheamus and many others for similar reasons).
I agree with Punk on most of the things he said but would have done no matter who was delivering the promo as I don't like faces that act like heels (even the Rock when he was mean to Foley), although I think Orton would be a better target.
That said there's not much Cena could have done to defend himself without calling Punk out on his own hypocrisy but I suppose that would undermine the angle.
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Post by Greer on Dec 28, 2010 11:10:07 GMT -5
The last 2 you just mentioned.
Yes, so many threads about how amazing Punk belching and scratching his ass was can be a bit annoying.
Yes sometimes it does almost appear that it is favoritism.
I don't see whats so unclear. It seems like Punk will be praised for literally everything he does and Cena will be destroyed for literally everything he does in this feud.
I have a feeling there will be a strong bias towards Punk no matter what.
Just a feeling.
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Post by Piccolo on Dec 28, 2010 11:18:11 GMT -5
The last 2 you just mentioned. Yes, so many threads about how amazing Punk belching and scratching his ass was can be a bit annoying. Yes sometimes it does almost appear that it is favoritism. You don't have any favorite wrestlers, then? There's no one whose work you enjoy on a consistent basis? I mean, it looks like this is boiling down to "I like Cena more than Punk, and you like Punk more than Cena, therefore I hate your posts"... and while that's a valid feeling, I'm not sure there's anything anyone can do about that. At some point, people just gotta live and let live when it comes to other people having opinions that aren't the same as theirs. If you like Cena more than Punk, for example, how am I to be sure that you aren't exhibiting favoritism when you say Cena's done something well? Maybe you are. Maybe it doesn't matter, because I have my own opinion about how good that certain thing was, you know? And it's the same with Punk. If you think Punk's done something poorly, you're as free as I am to express your opinion about it. There's no guarantee on here that everyone will agree with every opinion we express, but that's the fun of discussion.
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