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Post by forgottensinpwf on Dec 28, 2010 12:17:50 GMT -5
Especially by the end of his Nexus run. Think about it.
He assembles Nexus to take over the WWE, yet spends most of the run beating down Cena.
The biggest flaw in his run was the entire Cena angle of the last few months. He beats Cena at HIAC, forcing John to join Nexus. Barrett earns a WWE title shot, but instead of focusing on winning the title, he focuses more of his time trying to embarrass Cena.
Transfixed on making Cena's life hell, he stupidly puts Cena in his corner at Bragging Rights, believing Cena wouldn't be stupid enough to put his career in jeopardy by striking him. However, Cena ends up costing Barrett the title. With that action, Barrett could've easily fired Cena.
However, AGAIN, his focus remains intent on Cena, and not the title, as he lets Cena keep his job, and even more foolishly, makes him special ref at Survivor Series, with the belief that Cena wouldn't risk his career to ruin Barrett's plans. Even the other Nexus members realize the idiocy of Barrett, but being the leader, he believes that they're wrong, and he's in the right, further causing the dissention.
And to the shock of nobody, Cena costs Barrett the title again at Survivor Series. And even after another month of BS from Cena, Barrett almost gets kicked out of his own team before being forced to give Cena his job back. Cut to TLC, where all his focus for the last few months are for naught, as he finally ends up the victim of John Cena and several dozen chairs.
Now Barrett's out of the picture, and the Nexus are now following Punk. While Punk's intentions are sadly the same, hopefully they won't have him be as inept a leader as Barrett was.
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Post by crimsonwolf on Dec 28, 2010 12:20:57 GMT -5
So in short, Nexus went downhill after Summerslam?
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Dec 28, 2010 12:21:45 GMT -5
So in short, Nexus went downhill after Summerslam? It's definitely where the focus went more from a WWE takeover, to 5 months of "Let's bully Cena"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 12:23:36 GMT -5
I would love for Punk to be the one that Nexus gets fed up with and revolt.
"We came here to take over WWE and become stars! Not fight your battles for you CM Punk!"
Nothing funnier than Punk getting punked.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 28, 2010 12:26:49 GMT -5
I would love for Punk to be the one that Nexus gets fed up with and revolt. "We came here to take over WWE and become stars! Not fight your battles for you CM Punk!" Nothing funnier than Punk getting punked. It's starting to become a personality quirk of his that he'd rather have lackeys to mold in his image than win titles or feuds. Maybe the announcers should start playing up his narcissism.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 12:28:31 GMT -5
He was a terrible leader from day one but that's because he only cared about himself. Getting the others contracts was just a way to provide him with the muscle necessary to protect himself and further his plans. Unless there is a grand revelation about their actions, about who controlled them, "The Bigger Picture" was protecting Wade all along.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 12:29:06 GMT -5
I would love for Punk to be the one that Nexus gets fed up with and revolt. "We came here to take over WWE and become stars! Not fight your battles for you CM Punk!" Nothing funnier than Punk getting punked. It's starting to become a personality quirk of his that he'd rather have lackeys to mold in his image than win titles or feuds. Maybe the announcers should start playing up his narcissism. Good point furry one. Even this problem he was with Cena. He obviously wants to "change Cena for the better" as it where. He doesn't want to beat him, take a title or move up the ranks - he wants to make Cena a more "righteous" person like Punk. This is Punk's obsession.
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Post by clifford on Dec 28, 2010 12:37:34 GMT -5
I like the fact that the reason Nexus, in its first incarnation anyway, failed was because its leader Barrett became so obsessed with ruining one man (Cena) that he completely neglected/forgot their original goal of taking over the WWE to the point that he and the group were ruined themselves.
The thing is, it seems that Punk has aligned himself with Nexus to do the exact same thing, bring down one man, the same man in fact. I'd like to see some Nexus members question this.
'Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it' and all that.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Dec 28, 2010 12:42:52 GMT -5
I want to be optimistic, but I truly believe that this is the beginning of the end of the Nexus.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Dec 28, 2010 12:46:43 GMT -5
Honestly in retrospect alot of heel stable leaders'll probably look pretty incompetent.
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 28, 2010 13:30:33 GMT -5
I'm not so sure, Cena was the biggest thorn in his side and he tried to neutralise him before moving on to the bigger picture.
First he tried to recruit Cena and succeeded, it wasn't his fault that Cena didn't follow the spirit of the stipulation. So he realised it wasn't working and came up with a great idea where he would either rid himself of Cena or become champion. Once again he succeeded by getting rid of Cena but again his adversary didn't stick to the stipulation. It's not really his fault, his plans should have worked.
That said he created the dissension in the ranks himself by making Nexus all about himself. Kicking out members at the slightest provocation probably didn't help them feel secure and motivated either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 13:40:00 GMT -5
I'm not so sure, Cena was the biggest thorn in his side and he tried to neutralise him before moving on to the bigger picture. First he tried to recruit Cena and succeeded, it wasn't his fault that Cena didn't follow the spirit of the stipulation. So he realised it wasn't working and came up with a great idea where he would either rid himself of Cena or become champion. Once again he succeeded by getting rid of Cena but again his adversary didn't stick to the stipulation. It's not really his fault, his plans should have worked. That said he created the dissension in the ranks himself by making Nexus all about himself. Kicking out members at the slightest provocation probably didn't help them feel secure and motivated either. It shoulda worked!
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Post by rrm15 on Dec 28, 2010 18:48:02 GMT -5
I honestly think you could argue that taking out Cena basically equals a WWE takeover. He's the face of the company and the biggest star. Take him out and you take out ratings, buyrates, merchandise sales, ticket sales, etc. Symbollically, you also put the entire rest of the locker room on notice. If they can take out THE face of the WWE who has beaten everyone else, they're not going to struggle with the rest of the WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 18:56:01 GMT -5
Yes and no.
Yes - the original intention of Nexus being formed was so they could all get WWE contracts instead of just one.
Barrett led Nexus to succesfully completing that goal, but became obsessed with Cena aftewards.
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Post by lookout on Dec 28, 2010 19:49:27 GMT -5
Especially by the end of his Nexus run. Think about it. He assembles Nexus to take over the WWE, yet spends most of the run beating down Cena. The biggest flaw in his run was the entire Cena angle of the last few months. He beats Cena at HIAC, forcing John to join Nexus. Barrett earns a WWE title shot, but instead of focusing on winning the title, he focuses more of his time trying to embarrass Cena. Transfixed on making Cena's life hell, he stupidly puts Cena in his corner at Bragging Rights, believing Cena wouldn't be stupid enough to put his career in jeopardy by striking him. However, Cena ends up costing Barrett the title. With that action, Barrett could've easily fired Cena. However, AGAIN, his focus remains intent on Cena, and not the title, as he lets Cena keep his job, and even more foolishly, makes him special ref at Survivor Series, with the belief that Cena wouldn't risk his career to ruin Barrett's plans. Even the other Nexus members realize the idiocy of Barrett, but being the leader, he believes that they're wrong, and he's in the right, further causing the dissention. And to the shock of nobody, Cena costs Barrett the title again at Survivor Series. And even after another month of BS from Cena, Barrett almost gets kicked out of his own team before being forced to give Cena his job back. Cut to TLC, where all his focus for the last few months are for naught, as he finally ends up the victim of John Cena and several dozen chairs. Now Barrett's out of the picture, and the Nexus are now following Punk. While Punk's intentions are sadly the same, hopefully they won't have him be as inept a leader as Barrett was. One thing that really annoyed me was when he rehired cena, his only real condition was to fight him in a chair match? WHY? Why on earth would he put himself in a position to be destroyed with a chair by cena? Why did he not come up with a better condition for rehiring him? Plus...when the nexus started they hinted that there was somebody behind them and there was some secret motives for what they were doing..did they ever follow up on that? Regardless, they totally botched the end of this angle imho and made barret look like a fool.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 28, 2010 20:51:45 GMT -5
Kayfabe-wise, he was an idiot for making Cena the referee at Survivor Series.
Using Cena to win a title shot, that makes sense. Using Cena to win the chance to name a special referee, that makes sense. Cena's one of the best in WWE, after all, so of course he can win various challenges.
But all Wade needs from a referee is someone who can tap his hand on the mat three times, and who is loyal enough to him to do it a lot faster than an unbiased referee would. But Cena wasn't loyal, and always made it perfectly clear that he was only doing this because he was forced to.
If Barrett had even Sid's half of a brain, he would've just named Gabriel or Slater as the special ref.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Dec 28, 2010 22:03:05 GMT -5
It felt like he was too obsessed, which left him short-sighted.
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Post by Dean-o on Dec 28, 2010 22:37:41 GMT -5
I think Wade's "Bigger Picture" nonsense was him getting kicked out of the Nexus, so he could join forces with John Cena to rid of the Nexus once and for all.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 28, 2010 23:47:08 GMT -5
Oddly enough I thought that might happen as well. As in Barrett refused to rehire Cena, so Nexus beats Barrett down, then out of spite Barrett rehires Cena on the condition that he help get revenge on the rest of Nexus.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Dec 28, 2010 23:50:02 GMT -5
The thing about Nexus is, they were originally all about unity. They were all equals, Barrett was the face of Nexus, but Gabriel still was their finisher, Tarver was their intimidation, Sheffield was their muscle, Slater was their upper-midcarder, Otunga was their mic skills, Bryan was their veteran, and Young was also part of the group.
So it's no shock that their downfall came the second they became less united and more disperse as far as power. This is proven when the first man they got rid of, Daniel Bryan, helped them lose at SummerSlam. Then Barrett went insane and started kicking Young, Tarver, and even Sheffield to the curb.
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