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Post by arthuradams2002 on Dec 24, 2010 1:22:40 GMT -5
I don't think compelling storyline in their main interest. I think they are more concerned with getting mainstream celebrities affiliated with the program.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Dec 24, 2010 1:23:55 GMT -5
maybe the program isn't for you anymore but i'm loving it Yeah WWE PG is better. I prefer good wrestling programs with women wrestlers who wrestle and guys like CM Punk and DBD being featured stars. It's treated like a sport now more than the 20 years. This like it or not is a hell of a lot better than guys with animals, wrestling pimps, naked old ladies, porn stars, and repo men. Not to mention a considerable lack of Vince's bare ass makes it all the more better. |
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Post by Raja Lion on Dec 24, 2010 1:37:03 GMT -5
I don't think compelling storyline in their main interest. I think they are more concerned with getting mainstream celebrities affiliated with the program. They're a publicly traded company now and the most important thing are TV ratings and selling commercial time. If Shaq or Snoop can pop a rating for one night, that means a helluva lot more to a bottom line than Edge/Jericho having a compelling months-long feud as it creates new product sponsorships moreso than any wrestling feud could. Instead of problems befalling creative because of heat (Xpac Heat), problems befall creative when TV ratings/buy rates drop. The biggest problem is the E just replaces them with some castoff from a sitcom rather than someone who knows wrestling. Some of these writers get jobs w/ the E without even knowing the product! Since Stephanie has taken over creative, she's been the catalyst behind the writing shift. The lack of true competition has also hurt wrestling more than anyone could've imagined. I remember cheering when Vince bought WCW. Its turned out to be horrible for the wrestling fan (smarks). They can be complacent now without worrying about the top guys jumping ship at their first opportunity. You want the big check? Theres only one place to get it. TNA cant keep up with the E's money. |
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Post by spartan on Dec 24, 2010 2:05:53 GMT -5
Yeah WWE PG is better. I prefer good wrestling programs with women wrestlers who wrestle and guys like CM Punk and DBD being featured stars. It's treated like a sport now more than the 20 years. This like it or not is a hell of a lot better than guys with animals, wrestling pimps, naked old ladies, porn stars, and repo men. Theres a still a problem because there is no depth to anyone anymore. Its not compelling anymore. You can be kid friendly/PG and be compelling. This is the fault of the writer. Say what you will about Attitude, but it was almost always compelling/interesting even if it was stupid. Now its just stupid aside from very few times (Nexus debut springs to mind) that the writers end up ruining anyway. There's nothing compelling about Mae Young giving birth to a hand or Sable wearing paint on her nips... Where I come from that's called trash. |
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 24, 2010 3:44:09 GMT -5
Theres a still a problem because there is no depth to anyone anymore. Its not compelling anymore. You can be kid friendly/PG and be compelling. This is the fault of the writer. Say what you will about Attitude, but it was almost always compelling/interesting even if it was stupid. Now its just stupid aside from very few times (Nexus debut springs to mind) that the writers end up ruining anyway. There's nothing compelling about Mae Young giving birth to a hand or Sable wearing paint on her nips... Where I come from that's called trash. Why is the attitude era reduced to one horrible skit they did? Yeah, let's forget Austin vs Mcmahon, The Taker/Kane/Mankind fued, DX, The Nation, Corporate Rock, Test vs Shane and the Mean Street Posse, the MMA crossovers, HHH marrying Steph, Mike Tyson, the almost weekly debuts of all time greats like Jericho and Angle, the harcore 24/7 rule, Austin's heel turn, etc, etc, |
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Post by machomuta on Dec 24, 2010 4:43:45 GMT -5
There's nothing compelling about Mae Young giving birth to a hand or Sable wearing paint on her nips... Where I come from that's called trash. What is compelling about The Little People's Court and The 'Santina' Angle? Those things happened in the current PG era and are just as crappy as Mae Young giving birth to a hand. |
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Post by percymania on Dec 24, 2010 4:46:06 GMT -5
People were complaining back in the 80's about how it wasn't about wrestling anymore. Vince was promoting his "rock-n-wrestling" product and going for mass crossover appeal. He wanted movie stars and body builders instead of wrestlers. The "hardcore" wrestling fans always hated Vince and the WWF but look where they've taken us. Again, nothing has changed.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 24, 2010 5:45:02 GMT -5
I don't remember anyone complaining in the 80s, except maybe owners of other promotions.
It was always about wrestling in the 80s. They were still trying to protet kayfabe back then to the point where a respected news program tried to expose the business. Cyndi Lauper and Mr T's involvement was to get heat for a match. Lauper was a manager for Richter. Piper booted her in the freakin head for the angle!
In todays WWE they have z-list celebs like Kevin Federline getting a win over their top face. They'll job out any wrestler to any celebrity now.
I'm not one of those "it's still real to me" guys but I hate how they treat their product like it's something to be ashamed of. Stuff like denying that it's wrestling, commentators calling matches boring or openly bad mouthing workers makes no sense to me.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 24, 2010 5:59:34 GMT -5
For the first time, recently especially, I've been watching WWE and enjoying it and not missing the Attitude Era.
I dunno what you wanna call it..the PG Era..The HD Era..to me, it all started to shift the second Orton punted McMahon and since then things have just gotten progressively better.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 24, 2010 7:11:59 GMT -5
Most of the posters on this forum grew up in the Attitude Era. So your idea of what wrestling should be is from that viewpoint. I grew up in the height of Hulkamania. People complain PG wrestling is for kids. When Vince McMahon took over the WWF, he moved away from a very adult audience and went after a broader group. The Rock & Wrestling era was for kids yet plenty of adults were in the crowd. Similar today's demographic. WWE is tweaking the PG formula so they can get a happy medium. The era of shock tv is over with. TNA does Attitude Era stuff yet can't make no traction.
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Post by smokey1980 on Dec 24, 2010 8:50:50 GMT -5
I thought 2010, creatively, was WWE's best year in quite a few years. They actually brought me back to a point where I follow a little bit, and I'm very much a casual WWE fan. I dropped out of wrestling for a couple of years when WCW went under, and have been off and on with WWE and TNA since. Oh, and I'll be 30 in a week. PG isn't the worst thing.
It could be better, it always could be. But I'm into it enough that I'm pumped to be attending my first Wrestlemania, heck, my first live WWE event next year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2010 9:08:14 GMT -5
People were complaining back in the 80's about how it wasn't about wrestling anymore. Vince was promoting his "rock-n-wrestling" product and going for mass crossover appeal. He wanted movie stars and body builders instead of wrestlers. The "hardcore" wrestling fans always hated Vince and the WWF but look where they've taken us. Again, nothing has changed. Amen to that. The only real difference from that era to now is that the dedicated fan doesn't have that many other options to turn to if they don't want to watch "the circus" or "that fake rasslin' ", as a lot of Southern fans like to call it. Personally, I never understood that, calling the WWF a circus and how that was supposedly a bad thing. Looking at it, a circus is a conglomeration of different acts all thrown together under the same roof to have a little something for everybody: You don't like the high-flyers? Here's the mat-based guys. You don't care for the bodybuilding junkies? Here's the Divas. You don't like the matches? Listen to the announcers. You don't like anything? Have some cotton candy or popcorn. You paid to get in, so shut up and enjoy it. |
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Post by Corey "Valo" Carver on Dec 24, 2010 9:55:43 GMT -5
These threads f*** me off hugely. It's every other day.
What the f***s the point in sitting on a internet forum saying its not for us anymore? I think this era has been stronger in a hell of a lot of ways that Attitude Era was. If you enjoy that era more, go back and rewatch it constantly. Jesus H Christ man. If you hate the current product, dont watch it. How hard is it?
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Post by mdvega on Dec 24, 2010 10:03:19 GMT -5
Survivor Series just scored its lowest domestic buyrate IN HISTORY, despite a Cena retirement stip. That's kind of unsettling. See the loyal WWE fans REFUSED to watch the PPV since they were so distraught over the possibility Cena would get fired. I know that's why I didn't watch it. Instead I took some pills and hid in a dark room for a while. Luckily John Cena was around every week thereafter, relieving my anxiety. |
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Post by biggdeez40 on Dec 24, 2010 10:11:38 GMT -5
Theres a still a problem because there is no depth to anyone anymore. I'm not sure I get this. Other than a few guys like Randy Savage, Jake Roberts, Raven or Mick Foley, when have wrestlers ever had a lot of depth to their character? In the history of wrestling most everyone is either good or evil exaggerated to extremes with very little grey area. Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, Ted Dibiase, Rick Rude, The Road Warriors, Mr. Perfect etc, may have been great characters but had little character depth. As popular as they were, Austin and the Rock weren't very deep either. I know we all hate the hollywood writers but it isn't like this is some new concept they just came up with. |
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Post by wildojinx on Dec 24, 2010 10:23:50 GMT -5
I don't remember anyone complaining in the 80s, except maybe owners of other promotions. It was always about wrestling in the 80s. They were still trying to protet kayfabe back then to the point where a respected news program tried to expose the business. Cyndi Lauper and Mr T's involvement was to get heat for a match. Lauper was a manager for Richter. Piper booted her in the freakin head for the angle! In todays WWE they have z-list celebs like Kevin Federline getting a win over their top face. They'll job out any wrestler to any celebrity now. . You do realize that Federline only got the win due to outside interference by Umaga. Therefore it gives Umaga heat for a feud since he's responsible for Cena's humiliation. Its not like they made federline cena's equal. Also, at least they didnt give him the world title. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2010 10:24:27 GMT -5
I never understood why people watch wrestling when it isn't geared to them, so I know what the OP is talking about.
I started watching the WWF in 1986. I was a HUGE fan until about 1992 (post-WM 8) when the WWF slowly started pushing the 80's stars to the side in favor of Bret and others. By 1993 after Hogan lost the belt to Yokozuna, I had pretty much given up on the WWF. I still watched if it was on, but never with the excitement I had previously. Then in 96, the nWo angle happened in WCW, and I was right back to watching wrestling (WCW and WWF) with the same passion I had as a kid until about 2003. I haven't watched the WWE since outside of YouTube clips here and there. Only reason I came back to wrestling now is because I wanted to watch Hogan's farewell tour in TNA.
My point is, if it doesn't appeal to you anymore, it is completely normal. Maybe you've grown out of it, or maybe you just need a break or something big to happen to get back into it. I think I am done as a wrestling watcher when Hogan hangs it up. He is the last link to my childhood still somewhat active. I have no interest in watching Cena try to recreate Hogan and The Rock when I can just watch old tapes and see the real thing.
Saved by the Bell fans who didn't watch the New Class were still SBTB fans. They just outgrew it and didn't want to watch new actors act out the same characters as the original. That's what wrestling is to me, and might be for some of you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2010 10:29:58 GMT -5
Speak for yourself OP.
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Post by Raja Lion on Dec 24, 2010 10:37:56 GMT -5
Theres a still a problem because there is no depth to anyone anymore. Its not compelling anymore. You can be kid friendly/PG and be compelling. This is the fault of the writer. Say what you will about Attitude, but it was almost always compelling/interesting even if it was stupid. Now its just stupid aside from very few times (Nexus debut springs to mind) that the writers end up ruining anyway. There's nothing compelling about Mae Young giving birth to a hand or Sable wearing paint on her nips... Where I come from that's called trash. Don't cherrypick your argument. As its already been pointed out and stated multiple times, the Attitude era had its fair share of garbage. The biggest downside to Attitude for me was that the belts were largely devalued during this time frame because of the lackadaisical way they changed champions so often, along with the face/heel turns. The IC also ceased to be a truly important title by the time the shift to PG happened. It definitely had its "sex for sex's sake" stuff and really dumb crap, but they also pushed the envelope in regards to wrestling character development and completely flipped the formula in respect to the good/bad relationship. It also helped that they had some of the best talent in history at the top of their games. |
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Post by AndyUK on Dec 24, 2010 10:44:25 GMT -5
It's a family show, there's something for everyone so I'd hardly say it isn't for us anymore and I don't know about other people but I've enjoyed WWE, RAW in particular, this year more than I have in a long time.
WWE have put on more intelligent storylines in the PG Era, which is supposedly for kids, than they have in any other for me and that includes the Attitude Era. The Attitude Era had many fun storylines but they weren't as intelligent and as full of character development as the HHH/Orton, HBK/Jericho, Punk/Hardy and Taker/HBK storylines for the most part. For pro wrestling storylines, they were very good in that regard.
People talk about how they want mature content back when most of the time, WWE's version of mature was in fact immature.
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