Is Punk's current phase: CM Luthor?

[Dat Dude]

Think about it...

Both are intelligent manipulators

Both have an enormous amount of charisma

Both see themselves as heroes despite their despicable actions

Both see Cena/Superman as a cancer to the world

Both lost their hair and are still really pissed about it.



Discuss or Photoshop

[Yami Daimao]

Yes.

And win.

We seem to have more Superman comparisons now; SuperCena, Mizzaro, and now CM Luthor.

[sunnytaker]

does this mean Otunga is Otis?

[The Tank]

Dec 28, 2010 3:04:42 GMT -5 Yami Daimao said:

Yes.

And win.

We seem to have more Superman comparisons now; SuperCena, Mizzaro, and now CM Luthor.

So what does that make Wade Barrett?

[Greer]

Dec 28, 2010 13:25:53 GMT -5 The Tank said:

So what does that make Wade Barrett?

Nuclear Man.

[Ian Austin]

Dec 28, 2010 13:25:53 GMT -5 The Tank said:

Dec 28, 2010 3:04:42 GMT -5 Yami Daimao said:

Yes.

And win.

We seem to have more Superman comparisons now; SuperCena, Mizzaro, and now CM Luthor.

So what does that make Wade Barrett?

Gorilla Grodd.

[The Tank]

Dec 28, 2010 13:29:12 GMT -5 Ian Austin said:

Dec 28, 2010 13:25:53 GMT -5 The Tank said:

So what does that make Wade Barrett?

Gorilla Grodd.

Bingo.

Only because I'd rather reference Justice League Unlimited than one of the god-awful old Superman sequels.

[Ian Austin]

Dec 28, 2010 13:32:13 GMT -5 The Tank said:

Dec 28, 2010 13:29:12 GMT -5 Ian Austin said:

Gorilla Grodd.

Bingo.

Only because I'd rather reference Justice League Unlimited than one of the god-awful old Superman sequels.

Mostly because Grodd is a very smart gorilla who comes up with ingenious plans that fail because he's too smart for them to succeed. If he only simplified them, he'd win.

1) Nexus take over WWE.
2) ?
3) Profit.

[FinalGwen]

I think there's a different allegory to be made. There's a figure who seems himself as the big hero, cleaning up society/the WWE Universe by killing/retiring of those he sees as villains, but his methods are just as morally questionable, no matter how he justifies it to himself. Enter a figure who tells him that he is as bad as those that he is dispatching, and they enter a feud where both see themselves as the voice of justice.

CM Punk is L. John Cena is Light. The Cenation is Kira's Kingdom.

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}And heck, we all know Cena'll win the feud. But hopefully we'll get a decent Near to finish him off.

[Tarik Dee]

Dec 28, 2010 13:37:04 GMT -5 FinalGwen said:

I think there's a different allegory to be made. There's a figure who seems himself as the big hero, cleaning up society/the WWE Universe by killing/retiring of those he sees as villains, but his methods are just as morally questionable, no matter how he justifies it to himself. Enter a figure who tells him that he is as bad as those that he is dispatching, and they enter a feud where both see themselves as the voice of justice.

CM Punk is L. John Cena is Light. The Cenation is Kira's Kingdom.

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}And heck, we all know Cena'll win the feud. But hopefully we'll get a decent Near to finish him off.

I love Death Note and all that, but come one! Cena is the good guy, CM Punk is the villian, CM Punk lose, Cena wins and everyone in the audience is happy, the end.

[Deleted]

Let's not forget the ever-present threat of Sheamiac, who nobody seems to be able to put away for very long.

[Tarik Dee]

Also, if we are going by Death Note comparations, CM Punk is Light not L.

[Citizen Zero]

Dec 28, 2010 13:23:49 GMT -5 sunnytaker said:

does this mean Otunga is Otis?

I thought Otunga was Starscream?

[Allie Kitsune]

Dec 28, 2010 13:37:04 GMT -5 FinalGwen said:

I think there's a different allegory to be made. There's a figure who seems himself as the big hero, cleaning up society/the WWE Universe by killing/retiring of those he sees as villains, but his methods are just as morally questionable, no matter how he justifies it to himself. Enter a figure who tells him that he is as bad as those that he is dispatching, and they enter a feud where both see themselves as the voice of justice.

CM Punk is L. John Cena is Light. The Cenation is Kira's Kingdom.

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}And heck, we all know Cena'll win the feud. But hopefully we'll get a decent Near to finish him off.

I think you mean Punk is Light. Punk's the one who'd like to eliminate everyone who doesn't live up to his standards.

And the IWC is Misa. They'd do anything to be close to him, no matter how crappy he'd treat them.

I'm not sure Punk will ever have an L to oppose him. WWE would never book a face in such a neurotic manner.

Dec 28, 2010 15:05:01 GMT -5 Tarik Dee said:

Also, if we are going by Death Note comparations, CM Punk is Light not L.

...oh. No need for me to have posted, then...

[Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X]

To me he is Cm: Zod

I posted the clip in the other punk and nexus related thread.

All they need are the black trench coats and dog tags..and for otunga some pants lol.

[FinalGwen]

Eh, I'd say that Cena fits Light perfectly. He's the golden boy who has the power to fight those he sees as villains. Where Light has his notebook, Cena has AAs/STFs/Chairs/etc. He took out the Nexus believing he was purging the WWE of evil. There's never the slightest doubt that he's the moral one, in his mind.

CM Punk's speech on Raw was like L's first broadcast with "Lind L Taylor". He points out that Cena/Light isn't moral, he's a bad guy. Does he respond by looking at his own actions? No. Light kills Taylor, and Cena calls Punk out for a match. This is their test, and it closes down the net on them. Cena is cornered (and beaten up) by the Nexus, Light is cornered (and spied on) by the investigators.

As for Cena being the 'good guy', most people in the series see Kira as a hero, cleaning up society. They cheer for him, and TV announcers extol his virtues.

[Nuke is Good]

In that picture CM Punk resembles more of Kane from Command and Conquer.

[Tarik Dee]

Dec 28, 2010 15:57:26 GMT -5 FinalGwen said:

Eh, I'd say that Cena fits Light perfectly. He's the golden boy who has the power to fight those he sees as villains. Where Light has his notebook, Cena has AAs/STFs/Chairs/etc. He took out the Nexus believing he was purging the WWE of evil. There's never the slightest doubt that he's the moral one, in his mind.

CM Punk's speech on Raw was like L's first broadcast with "Lind L Taylor". He points out that Cena/Light isn't moral, he's a bad guy. Does he respond by looking at his own actions? No. Light kills Taylor, and Cena calls Punk out for a match. This is their test, and it closes down the net on them. Cena is cornered (and beaten up) by the Nexus, Light is cornered (and spied on) by the investigators.

As for Cena being the 'good guy', most people in the series see Kira as a hero, cleaning up society. They cheer for him, and TV announcers extol his virtues.

But Cena is the good guy by default, CM Punk is smart but evil, just because he shows Cena flaws doesn't make him a hero, Cena is imperfect but CM Punk has done worse things before, all the things Cena made was other people's fault to begin with; CM Punk is the evil genius who always think it's right and just use his side of the history, Cena being brutal and sadic with Nexus is still a hero who never attack if it's not provoked, he play dirty with dirty players and CM Punk never bring that logic to his speches, CM Punk is the one with flaws, the coward and hypocrite.

[Allie Kitsune]

Dec 28, 2010 15:57:26 GMT -5 FinalGwen said:

Eh, I'd say that Cena fits Light perfectly. He's the golden boy who has the power to fight those he sees as villains. Where Light has his notebook, Cena has AAs/STFs/Chairs/etc. He took out the Nexus believing he was purging the WWE of evil. There's never the slightest doubt that he's the moral one, in his mind.

CM Punk's speech on Raw was like L's first broadcast with "Lind L Taylor". He points out that Cena/Light isn't moral, he's a bad guy. Does he respond by looking at his own actions? No. Light kills Taylor, and Cena calls Punk out for a match. This is their test, and it closes down the net on them. Cena is cornered (and beaten up) by the Nexus, Light is cornered (and spied on) by the investigators.

As for Cena being the 'good guy', most people in the series see Kira as a hero, cleaning up society. They cheer for him, and TV announcers extol his virtues.

Again, the main reason that doesn't fit : Cena doesn't hate the people at large. He doesn't want to get rid of them for being unworthy of living in his world.

Punk does. And even so, most smarks (which functions as both Kira's Kingdom, AND as Misa, as the IWC would freak out if Punk was gone for whatever reason) follows him devotedly, as Misa did.