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Post by nonrev on Dec 21, 2010 2:34:41 GMT -5
Am I the only one who realizes how sexist and inapropriate this thread is? Sure Tiffany said something, but you guys are making some awfully presumptuous, sexist, and downright liable accusations. You're saying that the only way to get hired in the WWE or keep your job is to have sex with someone in power, with no proof whatsoever. And to the point that some people get pushed because of who they're dating...that too is ridiculous. They see each other almost every day. There are going to be relationships between co-workers. To be fair though, how could anyone possibly have any proof? Is their a magical document or video footage somewhere that would be the smoking gun to these accusations? Of course not. It's just speculation. We're observing Divas and there pushes and seeing if there is any correlation between that and who they are dating. Kevin Kelly and London and Kendrick have basically said all this as well, but here in lies the same problem do they have any proof of their claims despite having worked for the organization? The only ones who have the proof are the ones who lose the most from exposing it. Granted though that argument makes it seem as if there is no way to refute that Divas sleep with certain guys to get a push, if we can't trust the words of the Divas and Superstars involved. I apologize if I come across as sexist; that is not my intention at all. I was merely trying to highlight that certain Divas were pushed while in relationships with higher level superstars, London and Kendrick believed this occurred with Melina, many believed Mickie was fired for still obsessing about Cena who was messing around with her, and Shelly Martinez was fired due to relationship issues with Batista or Melina's relationship with Batista. We have no evidence anything is linked except the pushes, and as I said earlier getting a push from dating maineventers is certainly not true for every Diva as Maryse is currently not the Diva getting pushed to the moon while she's getting Awesome with the Miz.
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Post by joeskvorecky on Dec 21, 2010 2:39:11 GMT -5
Am I the only one who realizes how sexist and inapropriate this thread is? Sure Tiffany said something, but you guys are making some awfully presumptuous, sexist, and downright liable accusations. You're saying that the only way to get hired in the WWE or keep your job is to have sex with someone in power, with no proof whatsoever. And to the point that some people get pushed because of who they're dating...that too is ridiculous. They see each other almost every day. There are going to be relationships between co-workers. 1) The word is libel, and in this context, you want to say the statements are libelous. 2) Legally, I can't imagine that they are. 3) Of course people get pushed because of who they're dating, who they're friends with, who they've made mad. It happens. It also happens, sometimes, that people make it to the top without being part of a boy's club. 4) Nobody is saying the only way to get hired is to have sex with someone. People are commenting on a former employee saying that people have to have sex to keep their jobs, an interesting (if, for the moment, unverifiable) claim. 5) I do think this topic is sexist, as are most wrestling topics about women wrestlers. It's a double standard that unfortunately exists throughout our society.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 21, 2010 2:45:26 GMT -5
I guess when you're talentless and uninteresting you would have to sleep around to keep your job. Powerful...day...enemy.
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Post by spartan on Dec 21, 2010 2:46:59 GMT -5
I think she took this statement back so that Dmac wasn't punished.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Dec 21, 2010 5:20:50 GMT -5
Primo Colon is gonna beat Drew with hip toss, next week.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 21, 2010 8:26:29 GMT -5
I dunno, I read some speculation that her comments were actually directed at Michelle McCool. Though I dunno where that came from. Okay, some follow up here. I looked into this, and by looked into it I mean stumbled across it while looking for something else, and it turns out that shortly after retracted her original comment, Tiffany then tweeted this about McCool pretty much out of nowhere: So are people reading too much into that or is it a case of trying to save face?
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Post by randomranter on Dec 21, 2010 8:32:01 GMT -5
So are people reading too much into that or is it a case of trying to save face? Normally, I'd say we're reading too much into it, but given the context of the original tweet that she retracted, I'd go with the "save face" option. She's trying to make sure the door stays open for a possible future return, along with damage control; she knows her husband is likely to be depushed/punished for what she said, and she's in full ass-kissing mode trying to minimize the damage.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 21, 2010 8:43:03 GMT -5
So are people reading too much into that or is it a case of trying to save face? Normally, I'd say we're reading too much into it, but given the context of the original tweet that she retracted, I'd go with the "save face" option. She's trying to make sure the door stays open for a possible future return, along with damage control; she knows her husband is likely to be depushed/punished for what she said, and she's in full ass-kissing mode trying to minimize the damage. Either way, it seems she was right when she said she wasn't talking about the WWE or it's hiring policies.
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Post by shadowangel on Dec 21, 2010 8:44:27 GMT -5
Am I the only one who realizes how sexist and inapropriate this thread is? Sure Tiffany said something, but you guys are making some awfully presumptuous, sexist, and downright liable accusations. You're saying that the only way to get hired in the WWE or keep your job is to have sex with someone in power, with no proof whatsoever. And to the point that some people get pushed because of who they're dating...that too is ridiculous. They see each other almost every day. There are going to be relationships between co-workers. Maybe you're too young and too naive. Maybe you also never heard of all the sexual harassment lawsuits, WWF/WWE faced over all the years from Sable to Mike McGuirk to Rita Chatterton and a whole lot of other people (even guys who were sexual harassed by Pat Patterson) There are also tons and tons of stories from most other wrestling promtions. Sexual harrassment happens everwhere, at every working place all over the world, so it's nothing special. Besides: For some people it's perfectly normal to f*** with the boss to have the upper hand over the competition, it's the easiest way to get a push or a bit more money and most women know that. So it doesn't even have to be sexual harrassment but rather "Hmm, when i f*** with Vince maybe i get a raise" or "Hmm, when i f*** with the booker maybe i get a push" or at least a bit more job security because they're willing to do such things. And i honestly think the only reason WWE rather hires Photomodels, Whores and other such women instead of real wrestlers is because they're more willing to spread their legs and keep the guys happy. Why else would they hire people like Ashley Massaro?
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Dec 21, 2010 8:46:07 GMT -5
Why else would they hire people like Ashley Massaro? You mean the winner of the Diva Search? The contest that the fans voted on? And yes I fully believe THAT is legit, why else didn't Carmella win?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 21, 2010 8:53:39 GMT -5
Why else would they hire people like Ashley Massaro? You mean the winner of the Diva Search? The contest that the fans voted on? And yes I fully believe THAT is legit, why else didn't Carmella win? Because she was in the series before that, won by Christy Hemme.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 21, 2010 8:54:53 GMT -5
I dunno, I read some speculation that her comments were actually directed at Michelle McCool. Though I dunno where that came from. Okay, some follow up here. I looked into this, and by looked into it I mean stumbled across it while looking for something else, and it turns out that shortly after retracted her original comment, Tiffany then tweeted this about McCool pretty much out of nowhere: So are people reading too much into that or is it a case of trying to save face? If I'm not mistaken somebody actually came out and asked if she was referencing Michelle, which prompted that response. Tiffany also praised McCool after her release. You've got Maria, Tiffany and Jillian all praising Michelle's work and saying she got to the top by talent. Granted I'm a Michelle mark, but she doesn't get enough credit for her work. The relationship with Taker helps her career, but she's a good worker. But someone asked Tiffany about Michelle, and that's why she responded like that. I'd say it wasn't a case of trying to save face in that context, just a case of defending Michelle.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Dec 21, 2010 8:55:04 GMT -5
You mean the winner of the Diva Search? The contest that the fans voted on? And yes I fully believe THAT is legit, why else didn't Carmella win? Because she was in the series before that, won by Christy Hemme. I know. That's what I was talking about. I was implying that ALL Diva Searches were legit.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 21, 2010 8:59:47 GMT -5
Okay, some follow up here. I looked into this, and by looked into it I mean stumbled across it while looking for something else, and it turns out that shortly after retracted her original comment, Tiffany then tweeted this about McCool pretty much out of nowhere: So are people reading too much into that or is it a case of trying to save face? If I'm not mistaken somebody actually came out and asked if she was referencing Michelle, which prompted that response. Tiffany also praised McCool after her release. You've got Maria, Tiffany and Jillian all praising Michelle's work and saying she got to the top by talent. Granted I'm a Michelle mark, but she doesn't get enough credit for her work. The relationship with Taker helps her career, but she's a good worker. But someone asked Tiffany about Michelle, and that's why she responded like that. I'd say it wasn't a case of trying to save face in that context, just a case of defending Michelle. The forum it come from didn't give any context. Stupid internet.
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Post by randomranter on Dec 21, 2010 9:00:33 GMT -5
Maybe you're too young and too naive. Maybe you also never heard of all the sexual harassment lawsuits, WWF/WWE faced over all the years from Sable to Mike McGuirk to Rita Chatterton and a whole lot of other people (even guys who were sexual harassed by Pat Patterson) There are also tons and tons of stories from most other wrestling promtions. It's not just wrestling promotions. Stories of the "casting couch" are rampant all over the entertainment business. I'd be careful of the wording if I were you. Sexual Harassment should never be considered "nothing special." It's a very serious problem and the people who engage in it are lowlifes. I'd love to see more of these people brought up on charges, but speaking out against it essentially blackballs you from the entire industry, and most women aren't willing to essentially kill their career chances. Saying it's "not uncommon" is one thing, and I think that's the term you were looking for. "nothing special" is just a poor choice of words. Now this is sexist. I will agree that there are some women out there (not just in wrestling, in any profession/workplace) who are willing to spread their legs to get a job, raise, promotion, or just a bit of extra preferential treatment instead of putting the actual effort into it. There are others who are a bit less willing, but will do so anyway if they truly feel that they wouldn't make it any other way. But I wouldn't lump "most women" into that category. Two words: Sex sells. It's not like the WWE is the only company on the planet to use boobs to help sell its product. They know a large majority of their fanbase are male. And what's the easiest way to get a guy's attention? Boobs. Large boobs. Heck, a lot of preteen and younger boys are into boobs, even if they don't entirely know why. Take a look at half the sigs on this board. It works.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 21, 2010 9:04:40 GMT -5
Because she was in the series before that, won by Christy Hemme. I know. That's what I was talking about. I was implying that ALL Diva Searches were legit. My bad. So... um... how was your day?
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Dec 21, 2010 9:06:15 GMT -5
I know. That's what I was talking about. I was implying that ALL Diva Searches were legit. My bad. So... um... how was your day? Insatiable.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 21, 2010 9:19:19 GMT -5
Is Tiffany using this to divert attention from her disastrous mismanagement of ECW?
(I couldn't resist the joke, despite feeling this is a very serious matter not to be taken lightly.)
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Post by Pervy Stone Cold on Dec 21, 2010 10:10:10 GMT -5
Isn't this part of why Molly Holly wanted to get out of wrestling? Because she respected her beliefs.
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Post by the zookeepah! on Dec 21, 2010 11:31:51 GMT -5
WWE Divas sleeping with Vince, HHH, Johnny Ace, etc. in order to keep their jobs should come as a shock to nobody. It probably happens a lot more than we hear about. And I'm also sure that the guys having sex with the divas happens a lot more than we hear about. There are probably a lot more one-night-stands among the guys and the ladies that never make their way even to the rumor mill. And I'm not just talking about divas sleeping with guys to get a push or keep their jobs. These people travel together almost year-round, and that's a hell of a lot of hormones. It's not just the guys that need to get laid once in a while -- girls need it too, and they're travelling with a whole bunch of good looking, horny men. Agreed.
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