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Post by Trent Valentine on Dec 18, 2010 14:44:21 GMT -5
...I guess he doesn't like criticism.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2010 14:50:23 GMT -5
He really needs to get a life.
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Post by smokey1980 on Dec 18, 2010 14:52:18 GMT -5
Well, on the one hand, I think Bischoff's openness is refreshing. He actually responds to facebook comments and criticisms. It's hard to imagine a higher up in WWE being that open.
Then again, he doesn't really need to respond to every inconsequential little attack, as he should have better things to do.
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Post by Massive G on Dec 18, 2010 14:54:29 GMT -5
yeah, I'm sure merchandising deals have really skyrocketed because of Eric Bischoff.
"Wait, Eric Bischoff? THE Eric Bischoff? Get him on the phone NOW!! I want a deal in place by this afternoon, and I don't care how much money it takes!"
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Dec 18, 2010 15:20:31 GMT -5
The fact that he had to defend these statements actually lends credence to the possibility that TNA may in fact not be doing very well financially. Either that or Eric just has a ludicrously fragile ego.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 18, 2010 15:32:51 GMT -5
The fact that he had to defend these statements actually lends credence to the possibility that TNA may in fact not be doing very well financially. Either that or Eric just has a ludicrously fragile ego. I think he just has too much time on his hands, personally.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 18, 2010 15:33:35 GMT -5
The fact that he had to defend these statements actually lends credence to the possibility that TNA may in fact not be doing very well financially. Either that or Eric just has a ludicrously fragile ego. I don't get that first line of thinking. either he doesn't give it credence and it builds up anyway, or he defends against it, which means it really is as bad cause he was going against it. It's damned if you do or don't. Though, Bischoff has always taken things up whenever dealing with fans. Course, when you see the fans that usually are on facebook, it's probably justified.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 18, 2010 15:37:34 GMT -5
The louder you have to be when defending yourself, the better the chances there's something that's wrong. That said, sounds like Bischoff's in the right here, although he really should stop blowing a gasket over every minor criticism of TNA.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 18, 2010 15:49:28 GMT -5
Easy E has every right to defend himself, but the guy who posted needed to get his facts straight beforehand. Bischoff is someone who loves and thrives on competition and argumentation, and I don't think he cares if you critique him. DDP told a story about first getting into a fight with Bischoff, and him coming to the door and saying that if he wanted to punch him in the face, he could (the next morning).
From people who talked about him, he's the kind of person who would get into an argument with someone and then go, hey asshole, want to go for a beer later on. So, I disagree that he doesn't like criticism, as I think he gets off on it.
There are valid critiques, but a number of things need to be brought up. As far as merchandising goes, it's important to keep in mind that TNA gained somewhat in financial circles with little things, like doing the $20 polaroids with RVD in the ring, bringing in more marketable stars and getting their merchandise out. Now, it can also be brought up that has the extra expense of the talent that was brought in is better or worse then if they weren't brought in at all. Obviously, there are less people watching TNA, the numbers prove that. So, is the smaller audience buying more merch? And do those costs offset how much they paid for?
As for merchandising deals going up because of him, it maybe due to people he may know. But yeah, it's not a good idea to put the burden or proof on somebody when you're the one making the positive assertion. So basically, this guy saying the numbers are bad, and asking Bischoff about the numbers is wrong, because he's the guy making the assertion. He requries the burden of proof, not Bischoff. On the other hand, when Bischoff makes the positive assertion that they are making money, he can fall back on the fact that it's a private company, but it helps to show proof of that if you're making that assertion, if you get me.
Here's how I would go about it. As far as money, the only thing we have to go on about TNA losing money is that they lost viewership, and gained a larger expense. That's where that idea comes from. Because I'm sure Hogan, Bischoff, Bischoff's company, RVD, Jeff Hardy, and Mr. Anderson aren't making the same amount of money as Jesse Neal, Robbie E and Madison Rayne. So I would ask, has the merchandising and money boons offset that cost? And I would have to take more time out to get arguments together.
Also, I would bring up cuts, including that of Eric Young's money, which was reported by the guy who manages him, and gets some of the money Eric Young gets, so he's gonna know. If the company was doing better financially, why wouldn't Eric be offered more? If the idea is, well, TNA doesn't have to do that, it does seem a bit strange? Why would Eric take that paycut, knowing that the indies aren't really booming right now? Does he feel he has no where else to go? Could that factor into the decision of him taking a paycut. Ethics can be brought in, but Bisch seems more of the business type to me, so he may not care too much about that.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Dec 18, 2010 15:56:23 GMT -5
I'm guessing that TNA is making alot of money overseas, especially from all of the tours they've been doing recently.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 18, 2010 15:57:57 GMT -5
Easy E has every right to defend himself, but the guy who posted needed to get his facts straight beforehand. Bischoff is someone who loves and thrives on competition and argumentation, and I don't think he cares if you critique him. DDP told a story about first getting into a fight with Bischoff, and him coming to the door and saying that if he wanted to punch him in the face, he could (the next morning). From people who talked about him, he's the kind of person who would get into an argument with someone and then go, hey asshole, want to go for a beer later on. So, I disagree that he doesn't like criticism, as I think he gets off on it. There are valid critiques, but a number of things need to be brought up. As far as merchandising goes, it's important to keep in mind that TNA gained somewhat in financial circles with little things, like doing the $20 polaroids with RVD in the ring, bringing in more marketable stars and getting their merchandise out. Now, it can also be brought up that has the extra expense of the talent that was brought in is better or worse then if they weren't brought in at all. Obviously, there are less people watching TNA, the numbers prove that. So, is the smaller audience buying more merch? And do those costs offset how much they paid for? As for merchandising deals going up because of him, it maybe due to people he may know. But yeah, it's not a good idea to put the burden or proof on somebody when you're the one making the positive assertion. So basically, this guy saying the numbers are bad, and asking Bischoff about the numbers is wrong, because he's the guy making the assertion. He requries the burden of proof, not Bischoff. On the other hand, when Bischoff makes the positive assertion that they are making money, he can fall back on the fact that it's a private company, but it helps to show proof of that if you're making that assertion, if you get me. Here's how I would go about it. As far as money, the only thing we have to go on about TNA losing money is that they lost viewership, and gained a larger expense. That's where that idea comes from. Because I'm sure Hogan, Bischoff, Bischoff's company, RVD, Jeff Hardy, and Mr. Anderson aren't making the same amount of money as Jesse Neal, Robbie E and Madison Rayne. So I would ask, has the merchandising and money boons offset that cost? And I would have to take more time out to get arguments together. The thing is, going on rants over every little criticism, valid or not, and regardless of intent, makes you look REALLY insecure. It's not a good image to project, even if it's not the intended one.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 18, 2010 15:59:54 GMT -5
Wow, Bischoff's like a bizarro, pro-TNA Spoony.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2010 16:01:18 GMT -5
Eric has too much time on his hands, someone needs to alert him of the astronomical proliferation of porn on the internet, that should keep him occupied for a bit.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 18, 2010 16:01:29 GMT -5
Easy E has every right to defend himself, but the guy who posted needed to get his facts straight beforehand. Bischoff is someone who loves and thrives on competition and argumentation, and I don't think he cares if you critique him. DDP told a story about first getting into a fight with Bischoff, and him coming to the door and saying that if he wanted to punch him in the face, he could (the next morning). From people who talked about him, he's the kind of person who would get into an argument with someone and then go, hey asshole, want to go for a beer later on. So, I disagree that he doesn't like criticism, as I think he gets off on it. There are valid critiques, but a number of things need to be brought up. As far as merchandising goes, it's important to keep in mind that TNA gained somewhat in financial circles with little things, like doing the $20 polaroids with RVD in the ring, bringing in more marketable stars and getting their merchandise out. Now, it can also be brought up that has the extra expense of the talent that was brought in is better or worse then if they weren't brought in at all. Obviously, there are less people watching TNA, the numbers prove that. So, is the smaller audience buying more merch? And do those costs offset how much they paid for? As for merchandising deals going up because of him, it maybe due to people he may know. But yeah, it's not a good idea to put the burden or proof on somebody when you're the one making the positive assertion. So basically, this guy saying the numbers are bad, and asking Bischoff about the numbers is wrong, because he's the guy making the assertion. He requries the burden of proof, not Bischoff. On the other hand, when Bischoff makes the positive assertion that they are making money, he can fall back on the fact that it's a private company, but it helps to show proof of that if you're making that assertion, if you get me. Here's how I would go about it. As far as money, the only thing we have to go on about TNA losing money is that they lost viewership, and gained a larger expense. That's where that idea comes from. Because I'm sure Hogan, Bischoff, Bischoff's company, RVD, Jeff Hardy, and Mr. Anderson aren't making the same amount of money as Jesse Neal, Robbie E and Madison Rayne. So I would ask, has the merchandising and money boons offset that cost? And I would have to take more time out to get arguments together. The thing is, going on rants over every little criticism, valid or not, and regardless of intent, makes you look REALLY insecure. It's not a good image to project, even if it's not the intended one. But some people are ranters, that's just their style. Especially if the same criticisms are thrown at him, and the person throwing them is ignorant. Also, whether he does it angerly or not, the way he rants in no way takes away from the validity of the points he's making. Someone who is calm and rational could lie through their teeth, but it would be a shame if that person was believed over the guy ranting and raving and bringing up facts.
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Post by joeskvorecky on Dec 18, 2010 16:03:26 GMT -5
It's pretty pathetic that he'd take time to argue with a dude whose podcast probably gets fifty people to check it out
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Post by kleinnd on Dec 18, 2010 16:06:32 GMT -5
The thing is, going on rants over every little criticism, valid or not, and regardless of intent, makes you look REALLY insecure. It's not a good image to project, even if it's not the intended one. the admins should sticky this on every thread that's like to reach 10 pages
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Post by lordofthering on Dec 18, 2010 16:07:39 GMT -5
Eric destroyed this numbskull.
More of these bloggers need smacked around like this.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 18, 2010 16:07:48 GMT -5
Wow, Bischoff's like a bizarro, pro-TNA Spoony. Bisch vs. Spoony...I quite honestly think I'd pay money to hear that debate.
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Post by lordofthering on Dec 18, 2010 16:08:42 GMT -5
Wow, Bischoff's like a bizarro, pro-TNA Spoony. Bisch vs. Spoony...I quite honestly think I'd pay money to hear that debate. Bisch would kick that guy's ass too.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 18, 2010 16:12:30 GMT -5
The thing is, going on rants over every little criticism, valid or not, and regardless of intent, makes you look REALLY insecure. It's not a good image to project, even if it's not the intended one. But some people are ranters, that's just their style. Especially if the same criticisms are thrown at him, and the person throwing them is ignorant. Also, whether he does it angerly or not, the way he rants in no way takes away from the validity of the points he's making. Someone who is calm and rational could lie through their teeth, but it would be a shame if that person was believed over the guy ranting and raving and bringing up facts. Again, I'm not questioning the validity, I'm questioning the image he projects. He's one of the public faces of a (supposedly) growing company, who spends his time angrily refuting bloggers that don't really matter at all. It's not a good use of his time, and he looks like an insecure jerk, even though he's technically in the right. In this instance, the correct response would have been to ignore the no-nothing gnat, and go on doing your business. That's how an executive acts. They don't go on spittle flecked rants over every little slight.
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