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Post by i.Sarita.com on Jan 7, 2011 18:44:21 GMT -5
I find it incredible that the last two threads about how someone is floundering and being badly booked have been about Daniel Bryan and Randy Orton. I am equally baffled. STOOOOPID!!!! STOOOOOPID!!!!
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 7, 2011 18:46:24 GMT -5
Orton's still quite over, but the character's not that engaging at the moment right now. Possibly because all he seems focused on is the title. Ever since Summerslam its some variation of "I want the belt" or "I will keep the belt". That's it. The most real character interaction he's had is telling Cena not to give in to Barrett and hurt the legacy of the WWE title by screwing him (Randy) over in a title match.
Its something that Cena largely avoided as even when he was champion, his feuds were often just as much, if not more about the contrast and differences between himself and the men he was feuding with (Jericho, Angle, Orton, Michaels, Edge, Batista, and so on). The guy has an outward personality and goals not just pertaining to the WWE championship.
The last real character/personality based program he's had was with Legacy. He really needs to get out of the title matches at PPV (if just for a bit) and have an actual feud with a clashing personality for some reason other than the belt.
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Post by Greer on Jan 7, 2011 19:37:03 GMT -5
I find it incredible that the last two threads about how someone is floundering and being badly booked have been about Daniel Bryan and Randy Orton. I am equally baffled. Being over is fine. Being in main events every week is fine. At no point did I say Randy Orton was not over. I am saying that creatively he is floundering. Yes he is in main events, but is there any story to them at all? Is he even really in a storyline. He just fights random heels in main events every week. He has nothing to do. Even when he was champion, he wasn't doing anything. He isn't the main focal point of any storyline. Sometimes he fights Sheamus, sometimes he fights Nexus, sometimes he fights Miz. With Cena, he has a clear story. Cena is fighting Nexus. When Austin was the guy, he had his feud with Vince or SOMEBODY. Orton doesn't really have a feud at all. He just comes out weekly, delivers the SAME promo and wins the main event against random heel number 3.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 7, 2011 19:37:39 GMT -5
Orton is more of a modern day Jake Roberts than Stone Cold.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Jan 7, 2011 19:46:49 GMT -5
Orton is more of a modern day Jake Roberts than Stone Cold. Wanna play 21? I've got....RKO!
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Post by Ian Austin on Jan 7, 2011 19:48:06 GMT -5
And, in the process, makes the title seem important.
They could stand to build more stories around that , but the fact that his character revolves around the title does add some validity to it. Like it's worth something rather than being a prop!
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jan 7, 2011 19:51:55 GMT -5
Orton is more of a modern day Jake Roberts than Stone Cold. IMO not even close.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 7, 2011 19:55:02 GMT -5
And, in the process, makes the title seem important. They could stand to build more stories around that , but the fact that his character revolves around the title does add some validity to it. Like it's worth something rather than being a prop! True enough, Cena's managed to make the title important and still have engaging character feuds. Now again, Orton's not in any real danger at all with his gimmick or heat. I just think a feud post-EC/WM would help to freshen things up a bit.
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Post by Ian Austin on Jan 7, 2011 19:57:33 GMT -5
I guess I can see the problem.
It's not so much the title chasing, but the fact that there's no storylines around it. He has no obstacles. What Orton needs is a group like Nexus to align with The Miz. Then you have a stable blocking Orton from a title shot. He has to take them on to get the title. But it means allying with Cena and co, who'd naturally be wary of Orton because he's in it for himself.
How do they trust Orton considering he's in it for himself, and how does he trust them considering how little time he has for anyone but himself?
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 7, 2011 20:04:12 GMT -5
I guess I can see the problem. It's not so much the title chasing, but the fact that there's no storylines around it. He has no obstacles. What Orton needs is a group like Nexus to align with The Miz. Then you have a stable blocking Orton from a title shot. He has to take them on to get the title. But it means allying with Cena and co, who'd naturally be wary of Orton because he's in it for himself. How do they trust Orton considering he's in it for himself, and how does he trust them considering how little time he has for anyone but himself? Yeah, you see there you have a character/personality path to a title goal, which works. Ideally, the nice thing about Raw now, is that everybody else can easily fit the championship into their characters: -Cena, due to his competitive spirit and desire to represent the WWE universe. -Miz, to validate himself as awesome and prove the critics wrong. -Punk to solidify his control on Raw and establish how his moral. straight edge ways are superior. -Sheamus to complete his reign as the true king and ruler of all. Orton and Morrison are the only real contenders that need tweaking to better give their characters and title chases a bit more depth.
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Post by Ian Austin on Jan 7, 2011 20:06:56 GMT -5
I keep hoping that they'll do Raw on a rooftop. Through evil machinations, Morrison arrives late... and the doors are locked. The Miz challenges him. Morrison proceeds to climb the building using Parkour until he reaches the top. Then The Miz hits an exhausted Morrison with the title.
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Not sure where that came from.
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Post by Haulk on Jan 7, 2011 20:09:50 GMT -5
I think he just flounders because he always sucks the moment he begins a title reign. He is great at punting his way to a belt.
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Post by AndyUK on Jan 7, 2011 20:14:45 GMT -5
I can see where the OP is coming from when he says ''he's just there'' because he really doesn't do anything other than come out and win. They just haven't attempted to put him in any proper storylines since he turned face. It seems that they're finding it hard to come with storylines that will fit his character.
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Post by The Cool Pup on Jan 7, 2011 20:15:53 GMT -5
He's the guy that is super over and can main event any show...but he's not going to be the face of the company. Of course Orton isn't, that role belongs to Otunga! ;D
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Jan 7, 2011 20:16:03 GMT -5
If not for Cena I think he would be! But he'd have to be a little less brutal too. WarriorThug4Orton? ;D (old-school 'Crappers will get that one, hopefully...)
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Post by Zen411 on Jan 7, 2011 21:10:02 GMT -5
Orton was Champion in a match with Barrett but ALL the focus was on Cena. The champ could have been David Arquette and no one would have cared. It would still be about Cena.
I was at a live event a few months back and Cena and Orton teamed up. It was huge. They delivered an Attitude Adjustment and RKO at the exact same time and it was magic. I believe they should have teamed up permanently. It would have been Mega Powers 2.0.
THe story is that Orton is the Macho Man to Cena's Hogan. As long as Hogan was healthy and there, Macho was just "there" too. Macho was at his best during the Mega powers run. It would have given them a new element to team up against Nexus or some other faction.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 7, 2011 22:46:32 GMT -5
He's just not that interesting and gives me no reason to root for him in any of his feuds. That's all there is to it for me. I can't deny his fan reactions though, as truly baffling to me as they are.
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Post by MiLo Duck on Jan 8, 2011 3:26:01 GMT -5
I like what's going on with Orton in a lot of ways. I recall when he was the most hated dude on the net. Chinlock Randy he'd be called. I called it awesome. Those "rest holds" have a good place in classic ring psych. The dude what uses them is usually a dick for deflating the high energy face. Now they put it into his Viper/Apex predator tweener/face thing he's got going on. What's more is he's still the core character he's been since psycho Randy had a doctor's note for his ring rage or whatever. Why THIS is so important is that it is one of the rare examples of a character not having its brain transplanted and nuts ripped off for the sake of a face/heel turn. Its best if at the core its the same dude as before.
As far as him being a top guy. His reactions seem off the hook and I'm betting he wouldn't be in his spot so long if those T-shirts didn't fly off the rack.
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