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Post by Ian Austin on Dec 25, 2010 11:52:55 GMT -5
The Miz has charisma. It's not height as an issue. Rey Mysterio has charisma and connects with the fans, so he's pushed. Kaval has talent, but doesn't generate that 'it' factor -- so he isn't pushed. Maybe if he'd stuck with it like The Miz, he'd have gotten pushed eventually. How can you generate any kind of 'it' factor when you're only on TV long enough to get squashed? Well, he didn't show it facing Ziggler. And that wasn't a squash.
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Post by Ian Austin on Dec 25, 2010 12:20:19 GMT -5
It's not height as an issue. Rey Mysterio has charisma and connects with the fans, so he's pushed. Kaval has talent, but doesn't generate that 'it' factor -- so he isn't pushed. Maybe if he'd stuck with it like The Miz, he'd have gotten pushed eventually. He had to show something to win a fan vote to get on the main roster. Well, that depends. The WWE system is to reward who they want to reward. Kaval may have won NXT, but did they want him to? That's debatable. Maybe they wanted him to take a slow-burn 'prove yourself' path.
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Post by grunt on Dec 25, 2010 12:33:06 GMT -5
Somehow not surprised (or sad) to see him leave WWE.
If he wanted to stay on tv, i'd say he'd be perfect to freshen the X-div scene up a bit, with an almost guaranteed title reign if he ever chose to sign again with the company.
(cos let's face it, as long as Jay "no gimmick" Lethal is the champ, the X-div won't ever take off again)
But i guess he'll stay on the indys for a while, just because he'll be a bigger fish there.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Dec 25, 2010 12:44:51 GMT -5
You'd think when the WWE Champion is only 11 lbs from being a cruiserweight, they'd be over that by now. The Miz has charisma. It's not height as an issue. Rey Mysterio has charisma and connects with the fans, so he's pushed. Kaval has talent, but doesn't generate that 'it' factor -- so he isn't pushed. Maybe if he'd stuck with it like The Miz, he'd have gotten pushed eventually. Kaval's ringwork got him over with the crowd fast. He didn't even need to say a word. That's his "it" factor. Fans wanted to see him because of what he could do in the ring. The WWE just doesn't know what to do with a guy like that anymore because it seems like they think that people aren't entertained by just wrestling. They want their performers to sing and dance when the job that they trained for is to put on a wrestling exibition.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 25, 2010 12:53:35 GMT -5
He had to show something to win a fan vote to get on the main roster. Well, that depends. The WWE system is to reward who they want to reward. Kaval may have won NXT, but did they want him to? That's debatable. Maybe they wanted him to take a slow-burn 'prove yourself' path. You make it sound like Kaval is some fresh faced rookie that they don't know about. What more can he prove? He spent 10 years in the indys, 2 years in FCW, and won the fan vote on NXT. The WWE has all the info you could possibly need on him. They didn't think he was push material so they sat him as a jobber. That wasn't going to change.
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Post by dh03grad on Dec 25, 2010 12:53:43 GMT -5
You'd think when the WWE Champion is only 11 lbs from being a cruiserweight, they'd be over that by now. The Miz has charisma. It's not height as an issue. Rey Mysterio has charisma and connects with the fans, so he's pushed. Kaval has talent, but doesn't generate that 'it' factor -- so he isn't pushed. Maybe if he'd stuck with it like The Miz, he'd have gotten pushed eventually. What is the 'it' factor?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2010 13:17:53 GMT -5
You'd think when the WWE Champion is only 11 lbs from being a cruiserweight, they'd be over that by now. The Miz has charisma. It's not height as an issue. Rey Mysterio has charisma and connects with the fans, so he's pushed. Kaval has talent, but doesn't generate that 'it' factor -- so he isn't pushed. Maybe if he'd stuck with it like The Miz, he'd have gotten pushed eventually. I kind of agree with you there. Kaval had the "it" factor but didn't really get a chance to show it.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Dec 25, 2010 13:29:11 GMT -5
I really don't like how this has turned into a screaming contest between "WWE Creative is Stupid and Yucky" and "Kaval is a stupid Indy Scrub who wanted a mega-push right away, and the Internet should shut up" all over various forums.
I still don't get it. They put Kaval over as the winner of NXT, but then they just left him out to dry with nothing?
Furthermore, didn't Low Ki see that things WOULD eventually turn around for him, as that's what WWE does with all of their talents that aren't Super-Cena?
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Post by anglarite on Dec 25, 2010 13:32:00 GMT -5
There is an article on 24wrestling.com regarding his departure www.24wrestling.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1293259428&archive=&start_from=&ucat=6&...and I quote: According to sources close to former WWE superstar Kaval, he was the one who asked to be released. He was not fired, as some readers originally assumed.
From what we’ve heard, Kaval was said to be “miserable” working the WWE schedule and did not see his career going anywhere. Company officials tried to talk him into staying, but were anable to do so.
Joey Styles wrote on Twitter, “If TNA doesn’t immediately sign Kaval (who won NXT based on wwe.com fans and wrestlers votes), I’ve no idea what they look for in wrestlers.” As was the case with the recent releases of Matt Hardy and MVP, top WWE officials are not worried about Kaval going to TNA – since stars like Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Rob Van Dam, Jeff Hardy and Mr. Anderson have done very little to help TNA’s ratings.
Kaval’s first post-WWE match has already been announced. He will be back wrestling as “Low Ki” when he wrestles former TNA X-Division champion The Amazing Red on January 28th for Impact Championship Wrestling in Queens, New York.
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Post by Krimzon on Dec 25, 2010 14:25:40 GMT -5
Low Ki vs. Amazing Red? Excuse me a minute...
F*** YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Dec 25, 2010 14:32:19 GMT -5
Ok, knowing Low Ki is fighting Amazing Red soon makes up for this. I dont blame him for not liking the schedule.
As for it, watch the Kaval/Ziggles match. When Kaval plants him with that kick, the crowd cheers. He shouldve gone for a long term chase against Ziggler, and then to a feud with Bryan. Ziggler can get great matches with a lot of people.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 25, 2010 15:10:43 GMT -5
Ok, knowing Low Ki is fighting Amazing Red soon makes up for this. I dont blame him for not liking the schedule. As for it, watch the Kaval/Ziggles match. When Kaval plants him with that kick, the crowd cheers. He shouldve gone for a long term chase against Ziggler, and then to a feud with Bryan. Ziggler can get great matches with a lot of people. Just watched that kick again. It was sick, but for the people saying it was reckless on Kavals part watch again. Kaval whipped Dolph into the corner before doing the handspring spinkick, but Dolph was about a foot from the ropes and moved in right before Kaval hit the kick. So it seemed like Dolph didn't even know there was a kick coming. EDIT: Also as proof he does the exact same move against A-Ri on NXT and Riley is firmly in the corner when the kick is done. The spot was excecuted fine then.
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Post by Kevin's Thorn on Dec 25, 2010 16:07:51 GMT -5
Kaval didn't want to end up being the next 'MVP' it seems. His perrogative, but he could've easily ended up as the next Miz if he gave it a shot.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Dec 25, 2010 16:14:28 GMT -5
Kaval didn't want to end up being the next 'MVP' it seems. His perrogative, but he could've easily ended up as the next Miz if he gave it a shot. It looked like he was on the path to being the next Scotty Goldman, and said "screw it".
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Dec 25, 2010 16:26:06 GMT -5
Not much to add, other than...good for him, I say.
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Post by toonami4life on Dec 25, 2010 16:26:16 GMT -5
Kaval didn't want to end up being the next 'MVP' it seems. His perrogative, but he could've easily ended up as the next Miz if he gave it a shot. It looked like he was on the path to being the next Scotty Goldman, and said "screw it". Scotty at least just quietly disappeared. Low Ki got made to look like a joke three consecutive times. The first time was the unveiling of "Genesis," beatdown where no one had a clue what they where doing and proved that none of them belonged in a wrestling ring. The second time was when he got the final spot for team Smackdown for bragging rights only to lose it five minutes later to Tyler Snorkin' Reks of all people. Then he loses in his guaranteed title shot match and then gets jobbed out in less than twenty seconds. If I was in his spot, I would've done the same thing after what they did.
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Post by mrjl on Dec 25, 2010 16:36:53 GMT -5
It looked like he was on the path to being the next Scotty Goldman, and said "screw it". Scotty at least just quietly disappeared. Low Ki got made to look like a joke three consecutive times. The first time was the unveiling of "Genesis," beatdown where no one had a clue what they where doing and proved that none of them belonged in a wrestling ring. The second time was when he got the final spot for team Smackdown for bragging rights only to lose it five minutes later to Tyler Snorkin' Reks of all people. Then he loses in his guaranteed title shot match and then gets jobbed out in less than twenty seconds. If I was in his spot, I would've done the same thing after what they did. Do you know what consecutive means?
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Post by toonami4life on Dec 25, 2010 16:44:20 GMT -5
Scotty at least just quietly disappeared. Low Ki got made to look like a joke three consecutive times. The first time was the unveiling of "Genesis," beatdown where no one had a clue what they where doing and proved that none of them belonged in a wrestling ring. The second time was when he got the final spot for team Smackdown for bragging rights only to lose it five minutes later to Tyler Snorkin' Reks of all people. Then he loses in his guaranteed title shot match and then gets jobbed out in less than twenty seconds. If I was in his spot, I would've done the same thing after what they did. Do you know what consecutive means? A series of similar events one after the other. Happening very often to something or someone at a daily basis. AKA what happened to him. Look at his run and tell me he wasn't being made to look like a joke these past four months.
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Post by Psychoblue on Dec 25, 2010 17:13:51 GMT -5
Do you know what consecutive means? A series of similar events one after the other. Happening very often to something or someone at a daily basis. AKA what happened to him. Look at his run and tell me he wasn't being made to look like a joke these past four months. He wasn't. A joke would be pretty much where Zack Ryder is now: limited to Superstars and the only time appearing on one of the main show is in quick squashes. Kaval was often in competitive matches with marquee talent, and the squashes were almost always under underhanded circumstances. If he had been in where Zack or Yoshi are now, that would be one thing, but at least Kaval was still in the SD opening.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Dec 25, 2010 17:25:57 GMT -5
Ok, knowing Low Ki is fighting Amazing Red soon makes up for this. I dont blame him for not liking the schedule. As for it, watch the Kaval/Ziggles match. When Kaval plants him with that kick, the crowd cheers. He shouldve gone for a long term chase against Ziggler, and then to a feud with Bryan. Ziggler can get great matches with a lot of people. Just watched that kick again. It was sick, but for the people saying it was reckless on Kavals part watch again. Kaval whipped Dolph into the corner before doing the handspring spinkick, but Dolph was about a foot from the ropes and moved in right before Kaval hit the kick. So it seemed like Dolph didn't even know there was a kick coming. EDIT: Also as proof he does the exact same move against A-Ri on NXT and Riley is firmly in the corner when the kick is done. The spot was excecuted fine then. Could not agree more, that botch was all on Dolph. He was unprepared and got planted as a result. I dont see how people blame thta one on Kaval.
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