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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 4, 2011 16:06:28 GMT -5
He's the head booker. He is responsible for all of it. It's rather implied in the title I should think. Aside from Dixie Carter, he's the one who makes the choices that define the company's output. Just because it might have been suggested by someone else doesn't mean that he has to go along with it. His is the final say in the booking. Three of those have main evented or featured heavily this year too. And just because they were in the ME doesn't always mean the booking's top notch to say the least. To be honest, I wouldn't trust Bischoff if he gave the directions to the opposite end of a very small room. He seems to have gone for production for emphasis and as I said, Russo still has final say in the ideas. Hogan... I honestly couldn't say. The bloke's had that many issues personally that his actual input into creative for TNA wouldn't be something that'd dominate his time as other things. Bishcoff may have a greater say than Hogan out of time neccesities and may have helped exagerate other flaws of Russo's with his own as Numero pointed out. As someone said earlier, TNA needs one person with a vision and it isn't Russo. Whatever his virtues might be, his timeof crash TV just doesn't have the same pull it did ten years ago. Something that TNA as a whole really needs to learn. It's not Bischoff either, dav.
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Post by dav on Jan 4, 2011 16:26:57 GMT -5
The roster in TNA can do this? I'm not entirely sure if this is the case in TNA as this is the company whose owner went on national TV and told the roster to do as the bookers said.
Has he ever said what that entails exactly? He's still a major player in the process of the angles and that which are really my major qualm with the on screen product. Matches are great, angles and booking... are not of such a consistent quality.
How many older talent wrestlers were at that period? Might have been something that TNA felt it needed to do due to there not being as many old ME's as before. There's still a youth/homegrown movement (Especially in the tag and X divisions) and TNA wrestlers have been in the Main Event throughout the year. From AJ, to Pope, Morgan, Abyss and Joe. The emphasis has been inconsistent to say the least. TNA's always had this weird aversion to relying utterly on their own talent when WWE ME's are free to book, it just hasn't been a Hogan/Bischoff issue.
Definetly. They should have just hired him as a producer and Hogan as an ambassador of sorts while hiring an experienced booker from ROH or somewhere like that to provide the one clear vision the company needs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 16:27:07 GMT -5
What "young homegrown talent" in TNA isn't being pushed, outside of Daniels who was released a while ago? Styles, Morgan, Lethal, MCMG, Beer Money, Pope, Joe, Doug Williams, Abyss, etc, are all being featured heavily on TV. Even guys being jobbed more than usual (Pope and Joe in particular) are always on TV in some capacity. The Nasty Boys, The Band, etc, were all shortlived and were never the focal points of the show.
Again, how much input do Hogan and Bischoff actually have? The product still has Russo's fingerprints all over it, in January through today.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jan 4, 2011 16:32:35 GMT -5
Ratings bottomed out and are only now starting to recover, payroll has skyrocketed and, the quality of the shows has taken a dive so bad the ratings laugh at it. In other words "f*** no".
However I wont blame Hogan and Russo as Hogan isn't on creative and Russo has shown (with Jarrett and by himself) that he can put on an interesting product. This all goes on the guitar playing, flash in the pan known as Eric Bischoff.
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Post by Jimmy on Jan 4, 2011 16:51:39 GMT -5
What "young homegrown talent" in TNA isn't being pushed, outside of Daniels who was released a while ago? Styles, Morgan, Lethal, MCMG, Beer Money, Pope, Joe, Doug Williams, Abyss, etc, are all being featured heavily on TV. Even guys being jobbed more than usual (Pope and Joe in particular) are always on TV in some capacity. The Nasty Boys, The Band, etc, were all shortlived and were never the focal points of the show. Again, how much input do Hogan and Bischoff actually have? The product still has Russo's fingerprints all over it, in January through today. Being "featured heavily on TV" isn't the same as getting pushed and having Pope and Joe "job more than usual" is just bad booking. Of those guys you listed only Morgan and Williams are getting legitimate pushes.
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Post by poi zen rana on Jan 4, 2011 17:13:17 GMT -5
dav,
I was not trying to suggest everyone had creative clauses. What I meant to imply was that I believe Bischoff and Hogan both have creative power.
As far as older main eventers I believe they were still around. I know some of them were since right before Dutch left you had main events such as Angle vs Foley.
To address what conebone asked, I was talking about the fact that the main event scene during Russo's period before HogSchoff featured much more young/homegrown talent than has been there since. For most of 2010 I think they focused more on young/homegrown talent vs established talent for the main event. I do agree completely that over all the homegrown talent has been given a lot of time. I actually think too many people assume people aren't pushed unless they are at the top of the card. So I am with you that homegrown talent is still being pushed, I just think the Russo Reign had more homegrown focus in the specific main event scene.
Some of the talent being pushed in latter 09 is still poised at the top of the card but I think they took longer than they would have. A slower burn.
I love TNA and have enjoyed 2010, but ratings or not I preferred latter 09
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 17:19:20 GMT -5
What "young homegrown talent" in TNA isn't being pushed, outside of Daniels who was released a while ago? Styles, Morgan, Lethal, MCMG, Beer Money, Pope, Joe, Doug Williams, Abyss, etc, are all being featured heavily on TV. Even guys being jobbed more than usual (Pope and Joe in particular) are always on TV in some capacity. The Nasty Boys, The Band, etc, were all shortlived and were never the focal points of the show. Again, how much input do Hogan and Bischoff actually have? The product still has Russo's fingerprints all over it, in January through today. Being "featured heavily on TV" isn't the same as getting pushed and having Pope and Joe "job more than usual" is just bad booking. Of those guys you listed only Morgan and Williams are getting legitimate pushes. It is the same thing though. Was Jake Roberts "pushed" in the 80's? Dibiase? Perfect? Santana? Demolition? Rockers? Hart Foundation? Of course they were. They were not main eventers, but still heavily featured in storylines, television, and PPV's. How do you propose TNA push every single "young" talent to main event status? Some guys are going to drift in the mid-card. That is just how it works.
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Post by poi zen rana on Jan 4, 2011 17:33:28 GMT -5
You can't have all your good wrestlers in the main event. That would make for horrible shows. Mid carders who can put on good matches are needed, so I don't think being a featured mid carder should be seen as such a slight that some envision.
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Post by smokey1980 on Jan 4, 2011 18:50:03 GMT -5
I suppose only Dixie could answer the question, but she wouldn't do so honestly in public.
I copped out and voted "Warrior" even though the answer is most likely no. I did so because while I don't think it was worth it, I think it could have been. It wasn't a bad idea in theory: Bischoff taking over tv production and Hogan being a shill guy. The mistake was giving them creative power.
As for the debates about Russo, Bischoff, etc. and who booked what, when...this is totally moot to me now. TNA needs to clean house in creative, period.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 4, 2011 20:07:50 GMT -5
The ratings started to slip, and the Monday night move, people think WWE did them in. But, as we see what happened on Jan. 4th, TNA's viewership was pretty normal for the most part. From what I remember their third hour that was not against RAW saved them, as they were below the average for the other two. Edit: Can't find a source atm... though I could be misremembering.
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Post by ICBM on Jan 4, 2011 20:07:52 GMT -5
Ah, but those in here will either continue to buy and gripe or never buy at all and gripe all the same. The only reason I post as I do ("wait and see") is because I have been right to say so when so many ask "Why did they do that? It makes no sense" before they see the follow up logic. And there have been just as many times or more that it hasn't made sense. I think Hogan/Bisch should answer to Dixie, but I'd say that when talking specifically about hogan/bisch's first year in TNA its fair game to say that any "wait and see" scenarios have already played themselves out. The thread is about Hogan's first year in TNA. It is over. And Yet again the point is missed.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Jan 4, 2011 20:13:56 GMT -5
All they really accomplished was improving the production values and getting rid of the six sided ring. Not much bang for the buck there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 20:18:16 GMT -5
And there have been just as many times or more that it hasn't made sense. I think Hogan/Bisch should answer to Dixie, but I'd say that when talking specifically about hogan/bisch's first year in TNA its fair game to say that any "wait and see" scenarios have already played themselves out. The thread is about Hogan's first year in TNA. It is over. And Yet again the point is missed. I concur.
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Post by Big L on Jan 4, 2011 20:35:46 GMT -5
Not really
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Post by Clarence "Showstealer" Mason on Jan 4, 2011 21:37:53 GMT -5
The ratings started to slip, and the Monday night move, people think WWE did them in. But, as we see what happened on Jan. 4th, TNA's viewership was pretty normal for the most part. From what I remember their third hour that was not against RAW saved them, as they were below the average for the other two. Edit: Can't find a source atm... though I could be misremembering. If I recall right if you took away the first unopposed hour and a quarter (IE: Everything up to and including Hogan) they did the same 1.1/1.2 they always did
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Post by ICBM on Jan 4, 2011 22:06:54 GMT -5
From what I remember their third hour that was not against RAW saved them, as they were below the average for the other two. Edit: Can't find a source atm... though I could be misremembering. I recall reading a wrestlezone(yeah take that for what it's worth) article on the 4 Jan Impact that put the number at 1.5 If I recall right if you took away the first unopposed hour and a quarter (IE: Everything up to and including Hogan) they did the same 1.1/1.2 they always did
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 4, 2011 22:31:04 GMT -5
The ratings started to slip, and the Monday night move, people think WWE did them in. But, as we see what happened on Jan. 4th, TNA's viewership was pretty normal for the most part. From what I remember their third hour that was not against RAW saved them, as they were below the average for the other two. Edit: Can't find a source atm... though I could be misremembering. It was the first hour, I remember watching it. The first hour was unopposed, and did an average of 1.5 thoughout that hour, if I remember correctly. It featured the Steel Asylum, ODB/Tara, a Lashley promo and the build to Hogan coming in. I remember like, Q6 dropped from the 1.8 to about 1.3, which was a large drop, but was above average for their Thursday show. This was right after the Hart/HBK promo and the divas match, and Impact had the KO tag title match. I also remember Jan. 4 was a big day for wrestling, as both Raw and Impact had an above average number of viewers.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Jan 5, 2011 1:48:09 GMT -5
no, a year ago i used to watch impact every week and get every ppv, now i dont do anything except occasionally read the spoilers
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Post by Danimal on Jan 5, 2011 3:22:25 GMT -5
Without the lame Hogan/Bisch move I don't think they try the moronic Monday-move which put the company back over a year.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jan 5, 2011 3:26:05 GMT -5
you just wait and see what goes down on 11-11-11
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