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Post by Bobeddy on Jun 7, 2011 8:41:21 GMT -5
Then there's Braveheart. I wish I still had the site, but I remember seeing a list of at least 20 details they completely botched in the first moments of the film alone. The geography makes no sense, the costumes are all wrong, and the timeline and events are warped beyond any recognition. If I recall correctly, the romantic lead in the movie would actually have been 10 at the time that William Wallace died, if she ever met him at all. Go to 4:35 *probably language warning* |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 7, 2011 12:34:24 GMT -5
"300" is an odd movie.
Why do the Persians all look like freaks and monsters?
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 7, 2011 12:38:38 GMT -5
"300" is an odd movie. Why do the Persians all look like freaks and monsters? Because the story is being told from the perspective of a Spartan storyteller/propagandist? |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 7, 2011 12:41:55 GMT -5
"300" is an odd movie. Why do the Persians all look like freaks and monsters? Because the story is being told from the perspective of a Spartan storyteller/propagandist? Could be. Which is probably why all the Spartan men were buff with huge penises. |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 7, 2011 13:35:14 GMT -5
The Patriot (mel Gibson) This was just offensive The Patriot does get some bonus points for being the first movie I remember to show that cannonballs bounce rather than explode. Yeah it is funny, for a film so HEAVILY non-historically accurate to be one of the only films or TV shows to be historically accurate with cannon balls. I don't get why anyone thought those things exploded. They are solid spheres of metal. |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 7, 2011 13:36:24 GMT -5
"300" is an odd movie. Why do the Persians all look like freaks and monsters? It is because 300 was based on a comic book that was based on a historical event. It wasn't an adaptation of a historical event, it was an adaptation of an adaptation of a historical event. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 7, 2011 13:44:40 GMT -5
"300" is an odd movie. Why do the Persians all look like freaks and monsters? It is because 300 was based on a comic book that was based on a historical event. It wasn't an adaptation of a historical event, it was an adaptation of an adaptation of a historical event. Let's go deeper. The comic is based on the exaggerations of the Spartans. So it's a story based on an event, which is then told in a comic, which then became a movie. |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 7, 2011 13:49:34 GMT -5
It is because 300 was based on a comic book that was based on a historical event. It wasn't an adaptation of a historical event, it was an adaptation of an adaptation of a historical event. Let's go deeper. The comic is based on the exaggerations of the Spartans. So it's a story based on an event, which is then told in a comic, which then became a movie. Exactly. 300 the movie was one of the most watered down versions of that battle ever. |
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Post by The Captain on Jun 7, 2011 13:59:10 GMT -5
It's also based on a comic written by Frank Miller. So... yeah.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jun 7, 2011 14:13:55 GMT -5
ALF didn't crash into the Tanner's garage. He skidded along their yard and tore it up pretty badly eventually hitting their avocado tree. But Hollywood thought him crashing into the garage was way more dramatic. Asses.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 7, 2011 21:31:03 GMT -5
Apollo 13 never did pick up a hitchhiking E.T.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jun 7, 2011 21:45:15 GMT -5
300 is actually quite faithful to Herodotus' account of that particular event during the Persian Wars. The artistic direction, with the mutants and stuff, is where it veers off most dramatically. Also, Herodotus has portrays Xerxes in a very sympathetic manner...not as some sort of effeminate God-King.
The whole "THIS IS SPARTA!" thing actually sort of happened as well...according to Herodotus...although not exactly when it is portrayed in the film. The Spartans did throw a Persian messenger into a well...during the first Persian War against Darius.
"To Athens and Sparta Xerxes sent no demand for submission because of what happened to the messengers whom Darius had sent on a previous occasion: at Athens they were thrown into the pit like criminals, at Sparta they were thrown into the well--and told that if they wanted earth and water for the king, to get them from there." (The Histories VII, 133)
In the Histories, Herodotus is fairly reliable overall, especially concerning recent eventsl--except when he starts talking about stuff far, far away from Greece. Even then, he tells you that he doesn't know it its true or not.
While it does have its inaccuracies...all and all I'd say it captures the spirit of event very well--especially considering the fact that it's being told before battle to inspire troops in the film.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 7, 2011 21:49:14 GMT -5
300 is actually quite faithful to Herodotus' account of that particular event during the Persian Wars. The artistic direction, with the mutants and stuff, is where it veers off most dramatically. Also, Herodotus has portrays Xerxes in a very sympathetic manner...not as some sort of effeminate God-King. The whole "THIS IS SPARTA!" thing actually sort of happened as well...according to Herodotus...although not exactly when it is portrayed in the film. The Spartans did throw a Persian messenger into a well...during the first Persian War against Darius. "To Athens and Sparta Xerxes sent no demand for submission because of what happened to the messengers whom Darius had sent on a previous occasion: at Athens they were thrown into the pit like criminals, at Sparta they were thrown into the well--and told that if they wanted earth and water for the king, to get them from there." (The Histories VII, 133) In the Histories, Herodotus is fairly reliable overall, especially concerning recent eventsl--except when he starts talking about stuff far, far away from Greece. Even then, he tells you that he doesn't know it its true or not. While it does have its inaccuracies...all and all I'd say it captures the spirit of event very well--especially considering the fact that it's being told before battle to inspire troops in the film. True, but let's not forget, Herodotus has been derided time and again for being a massive bullshitter, so anything he says you have to take with a massive pile of salt. |
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Post by Cela on Jun 7, 2011 21:58:23 GMT -5
U571The film would have you beleave that the US found the Enigma machine, when it was the British. They only added a caption at the end because of outcry. The Patriot (mel Gibson) This was just offensive You're not actually Latverian, are you? |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 7, 2011 22:03:59 GMT -5
300 is actually quite faithful to Herodotus' account of that particular event during the Persian Wars. The artistic direction, with the mutants and stuff, is where it veers off most dramatically. Also, Herodotus has portrays Xerxes in a very sympathetic manner...not as some sort of effeminate God-King. The whole "THIS IS SPARTA!" thing actually sort of happened as well...according to Herodotus...although not exactly when it is portrayed in the film. The Spartans did throw a Persian messenger into a well...during the first Persian War against Darius. "To Athens and Sparta Xerxes sent no demand for submission because of what happened to the messengers whom Darius had sent on a previous occasion: at Athens they were thrown into the pit like criminals, at Sparta they were thrown into the well--and told that if they wanted earth and water for the king, to get them from there." (The Histories VII, 133) In the Histories, Herodotus is fairly reliable overall, especially concerning recent eventsl--except when he starts talking about stuff far, far away from Greece. Even then, he tells you that he doesn't know it its true or not. While it does have its inaccuracies...all and all I'd say it captures the spirit of event very well--especially considering the fact that it's being told before battle to inspire troops in the film. True, but let's not forget, Herodotus has been derided time and again for being a massive bulls***ter, so anything he says you have to take with a massive pile of salt. And to be fair to Herodotus, sometimes while he is rightfully poked fun at, he did end up being sort-of right about things from time to time, or understandably wrong. His assumption of giant ants who dug for gold being plausibly a not-really-looking closely account of rodent-like animals who burrow. If a manatee can be a mermaid, and a horned beast a unicorn.... |
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jun 7, 2011 22:07:29 GMT -5
300 is actually quite faithful to Herodotus' account of that particular event during the Persian Wars. The artistic direction, with the mutants and stuff, is where it veers off most dramatically. Also, Herodotus has portrays Xerxes in a very sympathetic manner...not as some sort of effeminate God-King. The whole "THIS IS SPARTA!" thing actually sort of happened as well...according to Herodotus...although not exactly when it is portrayed in the film. The Spartans did throw a Persian messenger into a well...during the first Persian War against Darius. "To Athens and Sparta Xerxes sent no demand for submission because of what happened to the messengers whom Darius had sent on a previous occasion: at Athens they were thrown into the pit like criminals, at Sparta they were thrown into the well--and told that if they wanted earth and water for the king, to get them from there." (The Histories VII, 133) In the Histories, Herodotus is fairly reliable overall, especially concerning recent eventl--except when he starts talking about stuff far, far away from Greece. Even then, he tells you that he doesn't know it its true or not. While it does have its inaccuracies...all and all I'd say it captures the spirit of event very well--especially considering the fact that it's being told before battle to inspire troops in the film. True, but let's not forget, Herodotus has been derided time and again for being a massive bulls***ter, so anything he says you have to take with a massive pile of salt. A grain of salt, yes...like any ancient historian. What we considered myth he considered fact. That being said, while he's certainly questionable(and sometimes surprisingly accurate) about people and events in far off parts of Asia or Africa... He is pretty reliable at his core...especially concerning the Persian Wars themselves. It was not some long forgotten event in a far off land...it happened to the generation before him. He's no Thucydides when it comes to reliability...but he's actually very good in his own right. He will tell you what he's heard about something from other sources and he'll be open about the fact that it may not be truthful. People forget that part. That's one of his best features. He's certainly not perfect...but he is credible overall. And, even with his flaws, he's certainly the most entertaining of the classical historians! --- Back to the thread... The thing that annoys me the most is probably the part in the Patriot where the British lock people up in the Church and burned them alive. Never happened. |
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Jun 7, 2011 22:08:56 GMT -5
Pocahontas.
And no, the "it's Disney" excuse isn't enough to save it.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jun 7, 2011 22:17:28 GMT -5
Pocahontas. And no, the "it's Disney" excuse isn't enough to save it. I'll take your Pocahontas and raise you an Anastasia. That was a horrible movie. |
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 7, 2011 22:18:37 GMT -5
300 is actually quite faithful to Herodotus' account of that particular event during the Persian Wars. The artistic direction, with the mutants and stuff, is where it veers off most dramatically. Also, Herodotus has portrays Xerxes in a very sympathetic manner...not as some sort of effeminate God-King. The whole "THIS IS SPARTA!" thing actually sort of happened as well...according to Herodotus...although not exactly when it is portrayed in the film. The Spartans did throw a Persian messenger into a well...during the first Persian War against Darius. "To Athens and Sparta Xerxes sent no demand for submission because of what happened to the messengers whom Darius had sent on a previous occasion: at Athens they were thrown into the pit like criminals, at Sparta they were thrown into the well--and told that if they wanted earth and water for the king, to get them from there." (The Histories VII, 133) In the Histories, Herodotus is fairly reliable overall, especially concerning recent eventsl--except when he starts talking about stuff far, far away from Greece. Even then, he tells you that he doesn't know it its true or not. While it does have its inaccuracies...all and all I'd say it captures the spirit of event very well--especially considering the fact that it's being told before battle to inspire troops in the film. True, but let's not forget, Herodotus has been derided time and again for being a massive bulls***ter, so anything he says you have to take with a massive pile of salt. The 300 Spartans is likely about right. It just ignores the 5000 or so others (at least) that were also there fighting on the Greek side. |
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Jun 7, 2011 22:18:41 GMT -5
Ok... so, when did this go from actual historic gaffs, to deliberate adaptations for dramatic license? Stuff like Pocahontas or Braveheart weren't TRYING to tell a factually accurate story, they were trying to tell an entertaining one.
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