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Post by alabastergrim on Jun 9, 2011 19:35:11 GMT -5
Throw in the fact that it's incredibly stressful on them and their team due to the short production schedule, a massive hit on Broadway and that they've been doing it for 15 years now and it's not hard to see why they would be a little tired of doing it. That never made sense to me. Why don't they just bang out the 14 episodes in the season early in the year and just sit back and chill? They don't have to do their current production schedule of pretty much making each episode the freaking week they air. They can still be topical without making the episodes on the production schedule that they do. No they really can't be topical, at least not in the sense that they want to be, with a regular production schedule. Look back at the 2008 Presidential Election. They LITERALLY were able to discuss it one night later. That's something you couldn't do and that's something I applaud them for. It may not always be great but it's an accurate reflection of RIGHT NOW. Compare that to a show like The Simpsons or Family Guy (not hating on either) where their topical talks are actually from eight months ago. Huge difference.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Jun 9, 2011 19:36:09 GMT -5
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 9, 2011 19:37:57 GMT -5
If this season is the end, I wonder how much the 200/201 controversy has to do with it. How much strain did that put on the relationship of Comedy Central and Matt and Trey? That might have something to do with it, since Comedy Central really didn't stand behind Matt and Trey. Jon Stewart stood behind them, and called out Comedy Central executives on The Daily Show. But outside of Jon Stewart, they didn't get much support from Comedy Central. For crying out loud, The Simpsons gave them more support. One thing's for sure, Matt and Trey have gotten a lot of people talking. The ending was such a departure from what we're used to on South Park, hell the main plot was such a departure. They got people talking in a good way. As a reminder, what was the 200/201 controversy again? Was that when they actually put in the image of the Prophet Muhammad only for Comedy Central to blank it out at the last minute? I think that was part of it. The other part, that I know for sure, was in 201, every single mention of Muhammad was bleeped out, and what Kyle and Stan said they learned was entirely bleeped out it was just a long sequences of bleeps.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jun 9, 2011 19:41:49 GMT -5
Wasn't that the same problem from their Cartoon Wars two parter, with revealing Muhammad on thier version of Family Guy?
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Jun 9, 2011 19:43:12 GMT -5
Wasn't that the same problem from their Cartoon Wars two parter, with revealing Muhammad on thier version of Family Guy? Yep. And that's really where the censoring started. They actually got away with showing him in "Super Best Friends"
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Post by Yami Daimao on Jun 9, 2011 19:45:20 GMT -5
Wasn't that the same problem from their Cartoon Wars two parter, with revealing Muhammad on thier version of Family Guy? The one in "Cartoon Wars" was more of a gag about the one in "Super Best Friends", which the latter is the one that started the whole ordeal.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 9, 2011 19:45:38 GMT -5
That never made sense to me. Why don't they just bang out the 14 episodes in the season early in the year and just sit back and chill? They don't have to do their current production schedule of pretty much making each episode the freaking week they air. They can still be topical without making the episodes on the production schedule that they do. No they really can't be topical, at least not in the sense that they want to be, with a regular production schedule. Look back at the 2008 Presidential Election. They LITERALLY were able to discuss it one night later. That's something you couldn't do and that's something I applaud them for. It may not always be great but it's an accurate reflection of RIGHT NOW. Compare that to a show like The Simpsons or Family Guy (not hating on either) where their topical talks are actually from eight months ago. Huge difference. But at the same time doing what they are doing, as said, puts a huge stress on them, and can easily lead to burn out. Plus, let's not forget, for the most part, their topical episodes ARE the weakest episodes of each season. It is when they do non-topical episodes that they are at their best. I'd much rather have them be non-topical and not risk burning themselves out faster than expected, than them being topically extremely up to date and risk burning out faster.
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Post by johnnybaseball, Mantaur Fan on Jun 9, 2011 20:15:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with the above - the topical episodes are the weakest. I loved the episode after the election, but most of the time, I feel like they are formulaic. They are best when the episodes are about the kids, for real, and not the kids as a stand-in for news figures, and not the kids as a stand-in for the creators of the show.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Jun 9, 2011 20:30:26 GMT -5
A moderately funny episode became an incredibly touching metaphor by the end. They really have nothing left to prove. A show that has long been one of the leaders in current satire like this has nowhere left to go. When they started they were young and angry, and by now I can only think that they feel South Park has run its course. Its hard to carry on being anti establishment when you basically are the establishment. If this truly is the farewell tour, then thank you to both of them for one of the funniest shows ever to hit TV.
Or its a big joke and we're all gonna get Not-Without-My-Anus'd
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Post by Cela on Jun 9, 2011 21:32:17 GMT -5
Wasn't that the same problem from their Cartoon Wars two parter, with revealing Muhammad on thier version of Family Guy? The one in "Cartoon Wars" was more of a gag about the one in "Super Best Friends", which the latter is the one that started the whole ordeal. You know, this ordeal is kind of hard to be on their side with. Comedy Central has been behind them 100% throughout the years with just about everything, but one time they don't want to anger an entire religion for a pissing contest, Matt and Trey throw a tantrum.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jun 9, 2011 22:11:58 GMT -5
A moderately funny episode became an incredibly touching metaphor by the end. They really have nothing left to prove. A show that has long been one of the leaders in current satire like this has nowhere left to go. When they started they were young and angry, and by now I can only think that they feel South Park has run its course. Its hard to carry on being anti establishment when you basically are the establishment. If this truly is the farewell tour, then thank you to both of them for one of the funniest shows ever to hit TV. Or its a big joke and we're all gonna get Not-Without-My-Anus'd Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you Matt, Trey, and the rest of the South Park family. I look forward to your future work.
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Post by Bravo Echo November on Jun 9, 2011 22:45:28 GMT -5
Never thought South Park of all shows had it in them to effect on an emotional level like that. I have noticed that as people grow older you realize that the current trends just aren't for you anymore, and sometimes you label them as well... s***.
Plus it didn't help that I was the same age as Stan when my parents separated, so this episode really hit close to home with me. Bravo Matt and Trey.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jun 9, 2011 23:06:10 GMT -5
The one in "Cartoon Wars" was more of a gag about the one in "Super Best Friends", which the latter is the one that started the whole ordeal. You know, this ordeal is kind of hard to be on their side with. Comedy Central has been behind them 100% throughout the years with just about everything, but one time they don't want to anger an entire religion for a pissing contest, Matt and Trey throw a tantrum. Without getting into territory that would merit any sort of Mod-like attention..... The idea is that EVERYTHING is fair game. The basic thing that pisses me off is the idea is that you're telling people that a specific topic/sacred cow is beyond mockery. To expect that it won't be mocked is like going to a Don Rickles show and expect not to be insulted.....South Park is an "Equal-oppertunity offender" poking holes in strawmen on BOTH sides of most debates and basically saying that it's up to the individual to make up thier own minds; you can't be thin-skinned and have "extreme" ideas. Comedy Central made an executive decision to censor the episode, as was thier perogotive, and Matt and Trey had the perogative to not renew thier contracts if they so desired. Hell, maybe one of the conditions is little to no network interference which oddly enough may also be another reason for the extremely quick turnaround time.
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Post by corndog on Jun 9, 2011 23:23:13 GMT -5
A moderately funny episode became an incredibly touching metaphor by the end. They really have nothing left to prove. A show that has long been one of the leaders in current satire like this has nowhere left to go. When they started they were young and angry, and by now I can only think that they feel South Park has run its course. Its hard to carry on being anti establishment when you basically are the establishment. If this truly is the farewell tour, then thank you to both of them for one of the funniest shows ever to hit TV. Or its a big joke and we're all gonna get Not-Without-My-Anus'd I have a strong feeling we will get Not-Without-My-Anus'd next week. South Park has never been a serious show and as much as critics may have ate this episode up, this is a perfect opportunity to crap on them next week.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jun 10, 2011 1:01:32 GMT -5
A moderately funny episode became an incredibly touching metaphor by the end. They really have nothing left to prove. A show that has long been one of the leaders in current satire like this has nowhere left to go. When they started they were young and angry, and by now I can only think that they feel South Park has run its course. Its hard to carry on being anti establishment when you basically are the establishment. If this truly is the farewell tour, then thank you to both of them for one of the funniest shows ever to hit TV. Or its a big joke and we're all gonna get Not-Without-My-Anus'd I have a strong feeling we will get Not-Without-My-Anus'd next week. South Park has never been a serious show and as much as critics may have ate this episode up, this is a perfect opportunity to crap on them next week. We're at the Mid season hiatus
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Jun 10, 2011 3:29:03 GMT -5
A moderately funny episode became an incredibly touching metaphor by the end. They really have nothing left to prove. A show that has long been one of the leaders in current satire like this has nowhere left to go. When they started they were young and angry, and by now I can only think that they feel South Park has run its course. Its hard to carry on being anti establishment when you basically are the establishment. If this truly is the farewell tour, then thank you to both of them for one of the funniest shows ever to hit TV. Or its a big joke and we're all gonna get Not-Without-My-Anus'd I have a strong feeling we will get Not-Without-My-Anus'd next week. South Park has never been a serious show and as much as critics may have ate this episode up, this is a perfect opportunity to crap on them next week. There's no new episodes set until until October.
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Jun 10, 2011 9:53:49 GMT -5
You know, this ordeal is kind of hard to be on their side with. Comedy Central has been behind them 100% throughout the years with just about everything, but one time they don't want to anger an entire religion for a pissing contest, Matt and Trey throw a tantrum. Without getting into territory that would merit any sort of Mod-like attention..... The idea is that EVERYTHING is fair game. The basic thing that pisses me off is the idea is that you're telling people that a specific topic/sacred cow is beyond mockery. To expect that it won't be mocked is like going to a Don Rickles show and expect not to be insulted.....South Park is an "Equal-oppertunity offender" poking holes in strawmen on BOTH sides of most debates and basically saying that it's up to the individual to make up thier own minds; you can't be thin-skinned and have "extreme" ideas. Comedy Central made an executive decision to censor the episode, as was thier perogotive, and Matt and Trey had the perogative to not renew thier contracts if they so desired. Hell, maybe one of the conditions is little to no network interference which oddly enough may also be another reason for the extremely quick turnaround time. That was actually part of the whole problem to Matt and Trey. In that same episode, they made Buddha do lines of coke and had Jesus watching porn, but they get censored when they try and do something with Muhammad. That's incredibly hypocritical of Comedy Central.
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Post by wcw on Jun 10, 2011 15:49:34 GMT -5
Great, now I have to catch the replay for this. And if Matt and Trey are getting burned out, honestly, I don't blame them. To me the show hasn't felt as fun and loose the way it did during its earlier seasons, with the exceptions of the rare episode that didn't revolve around Randy being dumb or ranting about whatever was currently in the news. I will never get how people who have a hit show, that pays them a lot of money, that they have complete creative control over allowing them to say and do whatever they want, get tired of doing it. Everything in life runs its course. At some point you have made enough money and adding to the big pile is just a number in your bank account. It has been 14 years plus a movie they have done a lot with South Park. Personally this last season was weak and I am glad to see them have an acknowledgement of their own formula. Hopefully the quality of the shows gets better or they decide to pack it in avoiding the show having a miserable last couple of seasons like most shows. Plus too Both Trey Parker and Matt Stone are in their early 40's its natural for people to want to go out and do other projects while they are still young enough to do so. I loved the last episode of South Park it totally ripped on South Park which is awesome because that's what South Park does best. There will at least be 7 more episodes in the fall so all is not ending. But after that Trey and Matt are signed on to do season 16+17 IF they want to, they can opt out of doing those seasons.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Jun 10, 2011 16:29:35 GMT -5
^ Off topic, but that's an awesome sig.
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