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Post by Citizen Snips on Jul 7, 2011 21:49:12 GMT -5
haven't his comics kind of sucked for a long time? Hell, I'd argue based on popularity at the current time (comic wise) you could replace Wonder Woman with Hal Jordan. It has been above average to excellent for about 2 years now. Some stinkers, but also some of the best single issues of any book over that time. The Rhino and Hammerhead character spotlights by Joe Kelly were phenomenal. AGREED. Not to take this too off-topic, but a lot of really awesome stories in Brand New Day got overlooked by lingering hatred of One More Day. Every issue written by Joe Kelly (American Son, the blizzard with Wolverine, the Deadpool "Yo Momma" contest), the two issue Shocker story that introduced JJJ's father...hell, "The Gauntlet" by itself was probably the best use of Spidey's rogues in possibly decades. Anyhoo, I'd lean DC in this question, but seriously...Batman would be the first one down if this is a free-for-all. "I've spent weeks in the Batcave preparing for this scenario to.." *Mjolnir to the face* During Spidey's last black suit saga, there was an issue where he just whips the ever-loving shit out of the Kingpin, pointing out that for all Kingpin's might and persona while dealing with street toughs, he doesn't have any super-powers and thus has absolutely no realistic shot in a one-on-one fight with Spidey. Batman dealing with his own rogues is one thing. Even going toe to toe with Cap, who's enhanced and incredibly well-trained, is plausible. Putting him in a fight with Thor or Iron Man would last about 14 seconds.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 7, 2011 22:39:34 GMT -5
Would've figured Marvel's trinity would be Spiderman, Capt. America and Hulk. I would figure that the trinities based on current popularity would be Hulk, Iron Man, and Wolverine vs. Superman, Batman, and Green Lantern. In that set up whoever faces Batman will likely mess him up while it depends on which Hulk version there is to see how the outcome will be. I would laugh my ass off at GL if Iron Man's suit is completely yellow and he is the one that guns for him. Green Lantern isn't weak to yellow any more.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 7, 2011 22:41:16 GMT -5
I would figure that the trinities based on current popularity would be Hulk, Iron Man, and Wolverine vs. Superman, Batman, and Green Lantern. In that set up whoever faces Batman will likely mess him up while it depends on which Hulk version there is to see how the outcome will be. I would laugh my ass off at GL if Iron Man's suit is completely yellow and he is the one that guns for him. Green Lantern isn't weak to yellow any more. Is he weak too wood?
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jul 8, 2011 1:31:08 GMT -5
I would figure that the trinities based on current popularity would be Hulk, Iron Man, and Wolverine vs. Superman, Batman, and Green Lantern. In that set up whoever faces Batman will likely mess him up while it depends on which Hulk version there is to see how the outcome will be. I would laugh my ass off at GL if Iron Man's suit is completely yellow and he is the one that guns for him. Green Lantern isn't weak to yellow any more. Well, that kind of sucks. With that weapon at his disposal there needs to be some sort of weakness.
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Post by kolani on Jul 8, 2011 1:52:59 GMT -5
Superman takes Iron Man and Cap out in the opening seconds of the fight, leaving time for Batman to figure out that Thor turns into Don Blake when separated from the hammer. Once Thor and the Hammer are parted, Superman takes Don Blake out too. It's not even a fair fight, since 2/3 of the Marvel trinity are enhanced humans with no actual powers, and Tony is only on the level of Cap due to technology. How would Batman figure that out? And this is assuming the Thor in the fight actually does turn into Donald Blake, which isn't always the case. Bats realizes it based on the borderline obsession/panic attack that Thor has with getting the hammer back when it's separated from him. He puts two and two together (World's Greatest Detective and all) and determines that it's his weakness, from there it's a matter of Wonder Woman and Supes playing keepaway with the hammer until Bruce can KO Blake. If I recall correctly, it's a very short separation time before he turns back to Blake, something like a minute.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 8, 2011 2:05:58 GMT -5
Green Lantern isn't weak to yellow any more. Well, that kind of sucks. With that weapon at his disposal there needs to be some sort of weakness. Well it actually is more complicated than simply saying yellow isn't a weakness anymore. It is, but only if a Green Lantern has fear in their heart, and if they have fear, yellow can be lethal to them. Hal Jordan doesn't have fear in his heart right now, though, so it isn't instantly lethal to him. He can very much still be killed by the constructs made by someone with a ring from the Sinestro Corps, though.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 8, 2011 4:58:23 GMT -5
How would Batman figure that out? And this is assuming the Thor in the fight actually does turn into Donald Blake, which isn't always the case. Bats realizes it based on the borderline obsession/panic attack that Thor has with getting the hammer back when it's separated from him. He puts two and two together (World's Greatest Detective and all) and determines that it's his weakness, from there it's a matter of Wonder Woman and Supes playing keepaway with the hammer until Bruce can KO Blake. If I recall correctly, it's a very short separation time before he turns back to Blake, something like a minute. Given his signature attack is throwing the damn thing, and that it would make sense that Thor does not wish to be disarmed, I don't think Batman would realistically be able to figure out anything by it. We also don't know that Superman or Wonder Woman would even be allowed to lift the hammer. I think Superman did once in a crossover, but not sure if that was a recent continuity.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jul 8, 2011 6:03:21 GMT -5
Bats realizes it based on the borderline obsession/panic attack that Thor has with getting the hammer back when it's separated from him. He puts two and two together (World's Greatest Detective and all) and determines that it's his weakness, from there it's a matter of Wonder Woman and Supes playing keepaway with the hammer until Bruce can KO Blake. If I recall correctly, it's a very short separation time before he turns back to Blake, something like a minute. Given his signature attack is throwing the damn thing, and that it would make sense that Thor does not wish to be disarmed, I don't think Batman would realistically be able to figure out anything by it. We also don't know that Superman or Wonder Woman would even be allowed to lift the hammer. I think Superman did once in a crossover, but not sure if that was a recent continuity. Superman was able to wield Mjolnir in JLA/Avengers, but when he went to return it to Thor after the battle, he couldn't even budge it. Thor explained that it can basically be lifted/lent out to those that are worthy, but if Thor wants it back, it's coming back to him. Also, he seems to turn into Blake by choice these days without any enchantment on the hammer. Even if it was away from him for a minute, he's still going to be Thor. Batman really needs to stay in a corner squaring off with Cap in this fight.
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Post by s l i k on Jul 8, 2011 6:28:37 GMT -5
To those saying Wonder Woman would lose to Iron Man...how?
Wonder Woman losing to Thor, sure and I agree.
But how would she lose to Iron Man?
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jul 8, 2011 6:35:19 GMT -5
Don't Superman and Wonderman have, like, super speed?
While Iron Man and Thor do not to my recollection?
Also Batman's got a freaking arsenal wrapped around his waist while Cap's got a shield unless things've changed recently.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 8, 2011 6:43:31 GMT -5
To those saying Wonder Woman would lose to Iron Man...how? Wonder Woman losing to Thor, sure and I agree. But how would she lose to Iron Man? Yeah, if he was in Hulkbuster armor, sure, she might lose, but his standard gear is probably not enough for the job.
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Post by Cyberwoo on Jul 8, 2011 20:44:55 GMT -5
If Batman has time to prep and get the right gear for the fight, then so does Tony, and Iron Man's gear > Batman's gear.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 8, 2011 20:53:13 GMT -5
If Batman has time to prep and get the right gear for the fight, then so does Tony, and Iron Man's gear > Batman's gear. All Batman needs is something that sets of an EMP and all of Iron Man's gear is toast.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 8, 2011 20:57:21 GMT -5
To those saying Wonder Woman would lose to Iron Man...how? Wonder Woman losing to Thor, sure and I agree. But how would she lose to Iron Man? Hepatitis?
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Jul 8, 2011 21:14:33 GMT -5
Bats realizes it based on the borderline obsession/panic attack that Thor has with getting the hammer back when it's separated from him. He puts two and two together (World's Greatest Detective and all) and determines that it's his weakness, from there it's a matter of Wonder Woman and Supes playing keepaway with the hammer until Bruce can KO Blake. If I recall correctly, it's a very short separation time before he turns back to Blake, something like a minute. Given his signature attack is throwing the damn thing, and that it would make sense that Thor does not wish to be disarmed, I don't think Batman would realistically be able to figure out anything by it. We also don't know that Superman or Wonder Woman would even be allowed to lift the hammer. I think Superman did once in a crossover, but not sure if that was a recent continuity. Agreed. Batman may deduce that Thor + Hammer = Bad News for Team DC, but the Donald Blake connection is absolutely unbelievable for him to make in the midst of a fight, World's Greatest Detective or no. Also, while Wonder Woman has lifted Mjolnir in a cross-over before, I'm not so sure she'd be able to do so while Thor's using it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 21:16:04 GMT -5
Always thought Marvel would be Spider-Man, Wolverine and Hulk
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Jul 8, 2011 21:22:00 GMT -5
If Batman has time to prep and get the right gear for the fight, then so does Tony, and Iron Man's gear > Batman's gear. All Batman needs is something that sets of an EMP and all of Iron Man's gear is toast. Can't help but imagine he has safety measures in place for that, given how it's such an obvious weakness and lots of his villains are tech people who could take advantage of it.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 8, 2011 21:41:02 GMT -5
All Batman needs is something that sets of an EMP and all of Iron Man's gear is toast. Can't help but imagine he has safety measures in place for that, given how it's such an obvious weakness and lots of his villains are tech people who could take advantage of it. He didn't have a safety measure against that when he fought Thor after Thor came back post-Civil War. Thor made his suit useless with one giant EMP blast.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Jul 8, 2011 21:45:10 GMT -5
Huh. Does Batman have anything in his belt that could replicate that giant EMP blast, though? Edit: Actually... it would seem that Iron Man has ways of getting around EMPs after all:
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Post by Dub H on Jul 9, 2011 0:36:41 GMT -5
I would say Marvel trinity,battle and everything else
DC was the biggest onne on the past,but recently Marvel is the one getting most of the attention
tough i think Cap doesnt belong there,it would be Hulk or Spider
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