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Post by foreveryoung on Jan 3, 2011 16:48:01 GMT -5
Well even Gorilla Monsoon said, "if you aren't in this business for any reason other then money you are a fool"
Well at least thats what Heenan said Gorilla always told him..
Anyways.. Why the hate for Warrior? He was an 80s household item.. He entertained and he was one of the most over wrestlers of all time. Not to many guys were more over then the warrior.. You can only count them on one hand for sure
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jan 3, 2011 17:13:53 GMT -5
Didn't really go wrong unless you were a fan.
Kinda like the Brock and Rock feelings.
They entertained us, left us, and we want them back.
Pretty selfish, sure, but they were entertaining. And since they are gone, it's easy to badmouth them for not sticking around and sticking through all the crap that goes on in professional wrestling.
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Post by wwefan78 on Jan 3, 2011 17:22:48 GMT -5
Nothing went wrong for Ultimate Warrior. He came in, created a character that got over huge, made a ton of money and even got a torchpassing moment from Hogan. As stated he invested wisely, refused to take crap from promoters or engage in backstage politics and got out with his health intact. Remind me again, where did it go wrong?
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Post by texaswhopper on Jan 3, 2011 18:42:42 GMT -5
The comebacks were never the same. It was a character for one time and one place. The wrestling fan was changing and so maybe the Ultimate Warrior was out of place as someone had mentioned in that attempted 1996 comeback.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 3, 2011 22:28:25 GMT -5
In my opinion, I feel that a lot of wrestlers and former wrestlers are jealous because he left while he is still physically able to move around, talk, and is stable as far as his money situation is concerned.
So many individuals can't leave the wrestling business behind and it's the same attitude that wrestlers displayed towards The Rock.
They feel anyone who enters the business should be in it forever and that's the wrong mentality.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 3, 2011 22:42:03 GMT -5
The Shango feud was a joke and after a failed program with Nailz. I've heard the Nailz stuff before but I don't recall there ever being a program between the two (certainly not on TV anyway). All i remember seeing of Nailz was him beating up the Boss Man and then beating Virgil at SummerSlam and Slaughter sometime after. Then he had the match with Boss Man at Survivor Series and that was it. I remember him having a stare down with Taker at some point around this time but nothing came of it because Nailz left the WWF abruptly.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 3, 2011 22:49:06 GMT -5
The Shango feud was a joke and after a failed program with Nailz. I've heard the Nailz stuff before but I don't recall there ever being a program between the two (certainly not on TV anyway). All i remember seeing of Nailz was him beating up the Boss Man and then beating Virgil at SummerSlam and Slaughter sometime after. Then he had the match with Boss Man at Survivor Series and that was it. I remember him having a stare down with Taker at some point around this time but nothing came of it because Nailz left the WWF abruptly. Yeah, Nailz left the WWE after he ended up attacking Vince and he even testified against him during the steroids scandal. I think a Nailz and Warrior program would've been interesting to see.
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Post by saintpat on Jan 4, 2011 0:29:24 GMT -5
Despite how over he was, he held in his mind that he was superior to other. He wasn't liked in the lockerroom because he was unaware of how much lockerroom respect was. He also let money get to far to his head. Maybe he was right or maybe he was wrong, a person makes out how they want themselves to be when it comes to a job, and he did what he felt was right and got the back hand of it. This. Thats the type of people that I can't stand in wrestling. Guys who walk around thinking the whole world is supposed to roll over and hand them whatever they want on a silver platter. Maybe it was having a legend like Andre the Giant and an up-and-coming major star like HHH both roll over for him in 30 seconds that gave him that idea. I don't think money and fame made him an a-hole. I think it probably only magnified traits that were already there.
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Post by johnpricesuperstar on Jan 4, 2011 4:56:47 GMT -5
I remember being excited with him coming back in 1992- but he never won the WWF title again...
I think his feud with Undertaker really drained his momentum and aura.
I find it interesting- yeah he made his money and did things his way- but what was the point of his "comeback in Spain"- I watched it on youtube- he had short grey hair and looked like a lost orphan.
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Post by FrankGotch on Jan 4, 2011 5:24:44 GMT -5
I remember being excited with him coming back in 1992- but he never won the WWF title again... I think his feud with Undertaker really drained his momentum and aura. I find it interesting- yeah he made his money and did things his way- but what was the point of his "comeback in Spain"- I watched it on youtube- he had short grey hair and looked like a lost orphan. I think the point of that comeback was three fold. One the promotion got more publicity then they have had before, or since. Two the price was right for Warrior. Three Warrior got to get his name out there again, and get some publicity for his website.
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Post by johnpricesuperstar on Jan 4, 2011 7:11:11 GMT -5
I remember being excited with him coming back in 1992- but he never won the WWF title again... I think his feud with Undertaker really drained his momentum and aura. I find it interesting- yeah he made his money and did things his way- but what was the point of his "comeback in Spain"- I watched it on youtube- he had short grey hair and looked like a lost orphan. I think the point of that comeback was three fold. One the promotion got more publicity then they have had before, or since. Two the price was right for Warrior. Three Warrior got to get his name out there again, and get some publicity for his website. He was in great shape in Spain, but his short grey hair was awful.
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Post by probable on Jan 4, 2011 7:47:41 GMT -5
Most wrestlers will tell you he is just a goon ball in real life.
Most fans base their opinions on that, and the fact that he writes what they consider to be a load of gibberish crap. I don't think his writing is crap however.
However - the content of his writing makes him seem very insecure and queer. Why does he always go on about being past the wrestling industry when his whole website is geared to honor it, and he constantly takes shots at the likes of Hogan and Vince. Dude needs to grow up and move on with his life. If I can obtain this opionion from his stuff, if he raises intelligent children, they will do the same. Sad.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jan 4, 2011 8:09:51 GMT -5
I dont' really have any problems with Warrior making money and getting out while he's still healthy. Just with being an jackass.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 4, 2011 13:39:31 GMT -5
Most wrestlers will tell you he is just a goon ball in real life. Most fans base their opinions on that, and the fact that he writes what they consider to be a load of gibberish crap. I don't think his writing is crap however. However - the content of his writing makes him seem very insecure and queer. Why does he always go on about being past the wrestling industry when his whole website is geared to honor it, and he constantly takes shots at the likes of Hogan and Vince. Dude needs to grow up and move on with his life. If I can obtain this opionion from his stuff, if he raises intelligent children, they will do the same. Sad. But the thing is what he does is no different than what say Hogan, Matt Hardy, and even Bret Hart does with their websites and articles. Warrior, much like Bret just speaks his mind and doesn't sugarcoat anything. Sure he could tone down on the whole hate homosexuals statements, middle eastern hate, and etc but I view him as someone who lets you know where he's coming from. I'd rather know what's on his mind than be caught by surprise.
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Post by Joe Galt on Jan 4, 2011 14:28:35 GMT -5
I dont' really have any problems with Warrior making money and getting out while he's still healthy. Just with being an jackass. I`ve never met him, but from what I heard he is alright to talk to. Just don`t expect him to talk about wrestling. Tony Atlas says he is a pretty good guy and that he always liked him. He`s just a shrewd business man.
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Post by Victory on Jan 4, 2011 22:15:59 GMT -5
I think he could of been booked better during his WWF World title run. He was in way too many tag matches for the top guy IMO. He was either teaming with Kerry going against Rude/Perfect or teaming with LOD vs Demolition. Plus Hulk and Warrior had killed off most of the top heels prior to him getting the strap. So IMO the WWF really needed to bring in some fresh heels for him to defeat.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jan 4, 2011 22:24:55 GMT -5
Honestly, I think there is an assload of revisionist history and hearsay, as far as it "all going wrong" in regards to the Ultimate Warrior.
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Post by derrtaysouth95 on Jan 4, 2011 22:25:42 GMT -5
He's got some screws loose in his head for sure, but I don't think anything "went wrong".
He came in.....got over and made some big money....got the torch passed to him (giving him the right to carry wrestling into the 90's if he wanted it)....made even more money....then left on his terms. Came back when the money was right and then left again.
And now he lives comfortably with no lasting injuries. He played the cards right. He owes us nothing and he seems content with his wrestling legacy (ignoring all the crap said about him).
I wish he'd stuck around longer, but I don't blame him either. Sid did the same thing to an extent with coming in and leaving at his discretion.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jan 5, 2011 11:23:46 GMT -5
I dont' really have any problems with Warrior making money and getting out while he's still healthy. Just with being an jackass. I`ve never met him, but from what I heard he is alright to talk to. Just don`t expect him to talk about wrestling. Tony Atlas says he is a pretty good guy and that he always liked him. He`s just a shrewd business man. I was more referring to incidents such as him trash-talking Heath Ledger after the man's death. I'm not sure if he actually felt that way or if he was just banging the controversy drum for attention, but either way he looked like a scumbag.
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Post by Snake "The Jake" Roberts on Jan 5, 2011 14:21:07 GMT -5
IIRC, the "holdup" was over money that vince owed Warrior. I look at it like, you always hear wrestlers from that era complaining about vince and how bad the payoffs were, how they didn't get paid what they wre supposed to get, etc, yet Warrior stands up for himself and he's the bad guy for doing it? I think other guys lower on the card feared for their spot more, so they probably didn't put up much of a stink, but where Warrior was, there was some leverage where he could get money he was owed, or in the case of WM, ask for $ that was on equal ground as what hogan was getting.
Plus, look at all his contemporaries who are dead or broke. He obviously did something right.
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