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Post by BlahBlah on Apr 11, 2011 23:31:29 GMT -5
Whatever the reason is, (I firmly believe Morrison screwed himself and he more than deserves to be hosed) I'm happy to see Truth in the main event. I've always been a fan of the guy as he works hard and is a pretty good wrestler. He's earned the spot. Some of you guys act as though he just won the title and is going to have a year-long reign.
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Post by Krimzon on Apr 11, 2011 23:33:39 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but John Morrison just isn't that good. He has some good moves and his matches fflow pretty well most of the time, but he is only decent on the mic and his move execution is far too floaty. ( By that I mean it doesn't look like he is hurting anyone with his offensive maneuvers.) I think you just described R-Truth more than Morrison. And while Morrison doesn't have any high impact moves, at least they look like they connect, unlike most of R-Truth's moves. But Truth does have that awesome Suplex Stunner that SHOULD be his finisher, instead of the Lie Detector or the What's Up. Now, if R-Truth did an angle where he loaded his elbow pad like Chris Hero, the Lie Detector could be somewhat believable.
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Post by Twincest on Apr 11, 2011 23:44:59 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but John Morrison just isn't that good. He has some good moves and his matches fflow pretty well most of the time, but he is only decent on the mic and his move execution is far too floaty. (By that I mean it doesn't look like he is hurting anyone with his offensive maneuvers.) How many people in the E actually "look" like they're hurting anyone? A lot of moves and finishers talents use defy the idea of what looks like it'd actually hurt and just has an explosive impact, which Morrison is great at. Really, showmanship is the entire idea of WWE and looking like someone is really hurting another person is not exactly what WWE has gone after. Is this a serious post? Take any great match and then picture how it would have looked if the wrestlers looked as though they were giving each other little love taps instead of having some impact to their moves. Imagine Bret Hart locking in the Sharpshooter on Stone Cold and putting no force into it. Imagine the Big Show winning a match after a knockout punch that looks no more painful than hitting someone in a pillow. Imagining a Rock Bottom at 50% speed. Imagine a Sweet Chin Music that noticeably slows down near the end. (And yes, that's how most of Morrison's moves tend to look.) Realism and impact are integral. Good matches get the audience emotionally involved, and it's hard to pull that off if the guys are floating around the ring trying to look good but keeping the impact to an absolute minimum. Hell, how would HHH vs. Undertaker have been if HHH's finishers and chair shots didn't look like they hurt? And while I agree that many finishing moves aren't overly realistic per se, I'd say the good ones at least have some impact to them.
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Post by Twincest on Apr 11, 2011 23:46:23 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but John Morrison just isn't that good. He has some good moves and his matches fflow pretty well most of the time, but he is only decent on the mic and his move execution is far too floaty. ( By that I mean it doesn't look like he is hurting anyone with his offensive maneuvers.) I think you just described R-Truth more than Morrison. And while Morrison doesn't have any high impact moves, at least they look like they connect, unlike most of R-Truth's moves. Yeah, Truth isn't the best either. Wasn't commenting on him though, just giving my reasons why I don't believe Morrison is as good as some make him out to be.
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Post by Starshine on Apr 11, 2011 23:47:57 GMT -5
You know Twincest, your argument (which is fine and all) would probably be stronger if the counter point to Morrison wasn't R-Truth.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 23:51:20 GMT -5
I'm really happy to see Truth in the main event like this. I'm also genuinely surprised.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Apr 11, 2011 23:53:36 GMT -5
I'm really happy to see Truth in the main event like this. I'm also genuinely surprised. Yea, they gave him some shine tonight going the distance the way he did. I thought he was losing to Ziggler for sure, but when he beat Dolph AND Morrison, I was hyped because I know they weren't going to have Cena win that way.
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Post by normcoleman on Apr 12, 2011 2:04:06 GMT -5
R-Truth ain't a main eventer, I'm sorry
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Post by BigWill on Apr 12, 2011 2:12:00 GMT -5
R-Truth ain't a main eventer, I'm sorry No need to apologize. It's the Truth.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Apr 12, 2011 2:15:10 GMT -5
When the "Morrison has teh nuclear heatz!!11!1" news came out, even when it looked like there was a kernel of truth to it, I didn't expect it to effect his career very much at all, for one major reason: JoMo has never been a guy WWE pushed because they wanted to, he's a guy they've pushed because they HAVE to, because their roster is becoming depleted and it's increasingly obvious that he's head and shoulders above most of the other non-overexposed talents. Tonight proved that perfectly. Believe me, I like R-Truth. I like R-Truth a lot. I'm very happy for him that he's getting this opportunity to shine, even if he's just going to be taking the pin on PPV. But at the same time, Truth's 38 and he's legally restricted from going on international tours. R-Truth is most emphatically not a viable prospect for a new major star for WWE. He's a guy who's been plugged in at the last minute because plans changed and, hey, at least he gets big pops. If R-Truth's the best the have waiting on the backburner for this spot, then Morrison has nothing to worry about. He'll get his shot sooner or later, simply because there aren't enough people ahead of him who could manage it. And that's, of course, leaving out the possibility that Morrison was written out of the Extreme Rules triple threat (which was almost certainly originally intended to be him and Cena) in order to be moved to Smackdown to help fill the babyface star void following Edge's unexpected retirement. Regardless, JoMo's time will come.
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Post by edgehead on Apr 12, 2011 8:32:36 GMT -5
Fun fact: When R-Truth was wrestling as K-Krush in Memphis Championship Wrestling as a heel, I saw him a few times. Once, he had a match at an amusement park and told me to shut up while in the mic. Then, sometime later, I asked him when he would be debuting in the WWE and he said sometime soon with Road Dogg. I thought that was odd and then what do you know...there he is.
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Post by redpyramidsh on Apr 12, 2011 8:40:23 GMT -5
I don't think so.
Truth is random but obviously heels that aren't named Ziggler have no interest in the miz's belt. I think the plan was always to finish up Ziggler/Morrison this month. I also would like to know if this is some character development for Morrison, in regards to Miz calling him on always blowing his spots. Bring it to a more grounded offense.
Also what's with that guy saying Morrison's promos against miz after the no. 1 contenders match were awful? I remember them being brief and unremarkable I suppose, but let's not pretend it was like Hardy telling Edge he wished he was in a car accident.
That said, I'd like to see if Truth can actually cut a real promo.
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Post by Sharpy Snow on Apr 12, 2011 8:44:05 GMT -5
"I want revenge" "You had your chance and lost. I won. My turn." "Nope we seen this too many times before. I have the longest grudge with Miz so..." "Stop right there. I'm the only guy who has never even had a chance at Miz" "And I've never had a one on one World Title match!"
Truth probably makes the best case. Cena, Orton and Morrison have all had a shot at Miz and failed. Ziggler has already had several title shots on Smackdown and could only become a champion via shenanigans.
Truth is untested in 1 on 1 combat so will go with that stuff as this "maybe being Truth's only shot." Kinda what they did with King, except they've got Cena in there so it's not a 1 on 1 match again. But still, they'll do the whole "This may be his last chance route" so that the Cena haters can maybe get behind Truth more then they will Miz.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Apr 12, 2011 8:53:32 GMT -5
How weird would it be if the end result had Cena take the fall to Truth? I wouldn't be shocked at all considering they have made him look like a chump ever since the Raw after Elimination Chamber.
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Post by Sektor on Apr 12, 2011 10:01:03 GMT -5
Nope. I don't even think Morrison has heat. I definitely think he was a douchebag. But I think it ended there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2011 10:04:34 GMT -5
I don't buy the whole "Morrison's moveset doesn't look like it could hurt anyone." BS
Starship Pain would hurt as much and any top rope move.
The flying chuck thing is a frickin kick to the head!
A big part of his moveset is bouncing off something and kicking people in the face or planchas.
Remember when he outspinebustered Otunga?
Yeah - I don't buy that for a second.
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Post by milesskylighter on Apr 12, 2011 12:12:02 GMT -5
Can't believe R-Truth took Melina's spot in that match.
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Post by pink on Apr 12, 2011 12:17:21 GMT -5
"I want revenge" "You had your chance and lost. I won. My turn." "Nope we seen this too many times before. I have the longest grudge with Miz so..." "Stop right there. I'm the only guy who has never even had a chance at Miz" "And I've never had a one on one World Title match!" Truth probably makes the best case. Cena, Orton and Morrison have all had a shot at Miz and failed. Ziggler has already had several title shots on Smackdown and could only become a champion via shenanigans. Truth is untested in 1 on 1 combat so will go with that stuff as this "maybe being Truth's only shot." Kinda what they did with King, except they've got Cena in there so it's not a 1 on 1 match again. But still, they'll do the whole "This may be his last chance route" so that the Cena haters can maybe get behind Truth more then they will Miz. You have a good point. I think the whole Morrison vs Miz feud idea is past when it chould've happened. It should've happened after Miz won the title, but they missed out on that. I think Cena-Miz still has enough feul in it to keep it going without the added stipulation of Truth, as their match at WM ended rather unfavorably.
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Post by Optimus Prime on Apr 12, 2011 12:27:56 GMT -5
Is this going to lead to The Miz giving R-Truth the cold shoulder during the match in order to protest Truth taking JoMo's spot?
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Post by Twincest on Apr 12, 2011 14:20:03 GMT -5
I don't buy the whole "Morrison's moveset doesn't look like it could hurt anyone." BS. Starship Pain would hurt as much and any top rope move. Starship Pain is a corkscrew that GRAZES the opponent upon impact. Watch some Youtube videos of it and look at the moment of impact. The opponent absorbs very little of it! (If you were to search for "John Morrison Finisher - Starship Pain" you'd find a video with a good angle to see what I mean.) Then compare that to Mr. Gabriel's finisher or even a simple frog splash - moves in which the superstar crashes DIRECTLY ONTO his opponent, not grazes and/or spins off of him. Those look like they hurt because there is substantial impact or at least the appearance thereof. You can't be serious with this. Do you also think a punch in real life that glances off someone's face hurts or does as much damage as one that connects directly? The flying chuck thing is a frickin kick to the head! A big part of his moveset is bouncing off something and kicking people in the face or planchas. Yeah, of course SOME of his moves do look like they have decent impact or hurt. I guess I should clarify a bit. I don't specifically know why each individual move doesn't look like it hurts, nor do I care to spend the time to list and analyze every single one of them. It's just that in general, he's pretty floaty, both in terms of the way he moves around the ring and the way his maneuvers connect. I'll put it this way: In general, his moves look this they hit as hard - or do as much damage - as they would if performed by a skinny 15-year old, as opposed to a decent-sized wrestler. It's as though he's not putting much force behind them or putting his weight into them. I have the same issue with Jeff Hardy. His punches look weak and his Swanton has a glancing, nearly impact-less point of contact. Remember when he outspinebustered Otunga? Of course, and the reason we all remember it is because it is so uncharacteristic for Morrison to do such a high-impact move that really looks like it hurts! If most of the guys on the roster executed the same move, it wouldn't be as big of a deal because it would occur during a match in which they pull off a good number of moves with a similar level of impact.
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