skulldouggory
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Post by skulldouggory on Jul 23, 2011 4:48:50 GMT -5
Drew McIntyre.
They guy is'nt that jacked, but he still looks too muscular for guy who only uses gyms to _______ over the women other wrestlers _____ the night before.
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Post by dicegirl72 on Jul 23, 2011 10:32:50 GMT -5
There's a lot of steroid misinformation out there I think. I'm currently on steroids. Well, 5mg of prednesone for my rhumethoid arthritis. I read about Sin Cara's steroid use, and it involved injecting stuff for his knees, which believe me, my left knee has really been bothering me, so I feel sympathy for him in that regard. I want to step in on a technical point here-Prednisone (& dexamethasone, and others) are considered a different type of steroids. I clarify this to little old ladies getting Rxs for prednisone and get a horrified look when they read or hear 'steroid'-"These aren't the bodybuilding type steroids". These are considered corticosteroids. === I don't think they're prohibited (I haven't seen a copy of the 'wellness policy' but by nature of how they work, I just don't think they would be. The steroids that are sometimes abused by athletes, bodybuilders, whatever, are anabolic steroids (Winstrol is one, Deca-Durabolin is another, testosterone etc). Very different mechanism of action-I almost wish the 2 familes of drugs weren't both called 'steroids'-causes a lot of confusion. Someone getting an anti-inflammatory injection ("Kenalog" or other prednisone type corticosteroid) wouldn't test positive for 'steroids' to my knowledge. Anyway, whoever made the comparison between Zeke and Mason Ryan-good point and well said. I've wanted to comment that Zeke looks like a natural mesomorph (bigtime!) and also looks 'natural'. But no one knows except the person taking the drug.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jul 23, 2011 10:35:49 GMT -5
Also to the people mentioning Batista wasn't he deliberately slimming down for MMA?
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Post by molson5 on Jul 23, 2011 10:40:41 GMT -5
And besides Roids aren't a big deal if you cycle them properly and don't abuse them. Wrestling isn't really a legitimate sport where Roids will give you an advnatage over the other aside from recovering from injuries faster. That's the other thing. I think people love to yell about steroids and generally implicate guys they don't like (Zeke, Mason Ryan), where if you're a good wrestler, you'll get more of a pass (you never heard the same level of 'roid criticism leveled at guys like Benoit and Guerrero.) It's a fair question why we should care at all - other than just using "ROIDS" as a way to criticize people we don't like. It's not a competitive sport. Steroids are illegal without a prescription, but its kind of an arbitrary designation - there's plenty of other stuff out there, and there's plenty of legal ways to get steroids.
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Jul 23, 2011 10:42:59 GMT -5
Genetic freak or not, it's impossible to get that big naturally. Just take a look at the biggest natural bodybuilders in the world. None of them are over 220 lbs contest ready. Then take a look at Ronnie Coleman. Over 300 lbs. It takes more than just genetics to account for that size difference. thats because off season and on season weight differs by nearly 100 pounds on some guys. i dont think coleman competes on the same level he did when he was younger. some contests go for sheer size,others for the whole package I was talking about Coleman during on season. Off season he's closer to about 330. And I don't know how different contests has anything to do with what I'm trying to say. I'm saying it's impossible to get to Ronnie Coleman size without steroids (near 300 lbs <5% bf). It doesn't matter what your genetics are, how long you've been lifting, or how hard you work out. If a pro bodybuilder could do that naturally, then they wouldn't all be taking steroids.
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Post by baresolid on Jul 23, 2011 11:20:59 GMT -5
David Otunga and John Cena are both on human Growth Hormone. It can be detected by the bloated stomach area, and protruding chin of Cena. A lot of other wrestlers are allowed to take steroids because their past use has landed them with prescriptions for testosterone replacement therapy. Whilst I am sure use has declined in pro wrestling, I think a lot of the top guys like David Batista and others have been allowed to get away with HGH use, which is not easily detected by tests, because of the amount of money WWE has on them.
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Post by foreveryoung on Jul 23, 2011 11:38:53 GMT -5
And besides Roids aren't a big deal if you cycle them properly and don't abuse them. Wrestling isn't really a legitimate sport where Roids will give you an advnatage over the other aside from recovering from injuries faster. That's the other thing. I think people love to yell about steroids and generally implicate guys they don't like (Zeke, Mason Ryan), where if you're a good wrestler, you'll get more of a pass (you never heard the same level of 'roid criticism leveled at guys like Benoit and Guerrero.) It's a fair question why we should care at all - other than just using "ROIDS" as a way to criticize people we don't like. It's not a competitive sport. Steroids are illegal without a prescription, but its kind of an arbitrary designation - there's plenty of other stuff out there, and there's plenty of legal ways to get steroids. Agreed. Its a double standard definitely. .. There also plenty of things out there that will kill you faster then a bullet. All the prescription pill over abuse and mixing the pills with alcohol etc and people in the wrestling business are worried about steroids? Please. I think prescription pain killers are more of an issue then steroids ever were. Maybe roids will give you the look so you will get noticed more and get pushed more.. But in today's wrestling climate, its not like it was in the 80s where the supermen will get the push. You don't even have to be on roids to get pushed like you used to. If you look at all the guys who have died untimely, you see there is a direct correlation with all the smorgasbord of pills in their system. I don't why there is this stigma around steroids as being the ultimat evil. I dont know of anyone who has died directly from steroids or at least died from them when used as prescribed. Maybe over abuse. But you can over abuse anything
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Jul 23, 2011 11:59:04 GMT -5
Erm, no. As a longtime baseball fan, Im sick and have been sick of it for a long time of hearing people claim that a guy being muscular instantly means he is a juicer. Armchair drug analysts do my head in. Sin Cara just got Wellness'd. It could be ANYONE.
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Post by foreveryoung on Jul 23, 2011 12:03:58 GMT -5
Well it COULD be a cortizone shot as well. Testing positive doesn't mean Sin Cara was taking anabolic roids either.. They just test for the traces of the roids.
Remember back in 94 or so when Shawn Michaels got suspended for roids. He denied it the whole time, still does. So who knows. You can take things that have steroids in them
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Post by chaimwitz on Jul 23, 2011 16:45:28 GMT -5
thats because off season and on season weight differs by nearly 100 pounds on some guys. i dont think coleman competes on the same level he did when he was younger. some contests go for sheer size,others for the whole package I was talking about Coleman during on season. Off season he's closer to about 330. And I don't know how different contests has anything to do with what I'm trying to say. I'm saying it's impossible to get to Ronnie Coleman size without steroids (near 300 lbs <5% bf). It doesn't matter what your genetics are, how long you've been lifting, or how hard you work out. If a pro bodybuilder could do that naturally, then they wouldn't all be taking steroids. different contests = different rules. real cut and dry.
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Post by chaimwitz on Jul 23, 2011 16:50:19 GMT -5
Well it COULD be a cortizone shot as well. Testing positive doesn't mean Sin Cara was taking anabolic roids either.. They just test for the traces of the roids. Remember back in 94 or so when Shawn Michaels got suspended for roids. He denied it the whole time, still does. So who knows. You can take things that have steroids in them i just dont understand the rules. its like the IOC and olympics, their drug rules suck because cough syrup and anti inflammatories amongst other things can make u test positive. i bet $100 sin cara's "steroid positive" test came through on a cortisone or methylprednisolone shot like he mentioned. both are steroids but for medical purposes. u could take a million of them and u wouldnt get any bigger. so many different kinds of steroids and most just use that broad term and make them all bad. i'll give u 4 uses right now and people would test positive on wwe's terms because their system is bull shit lupus asthma inflammed tissue skin rash. all four would make u show up dirty and wwe needs to change that right now.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 23, 2011 17:48:02 GMT -5
This is all Vince's fault, right?
Wrestlers used to be doughy regular-looking guys and all of a sudden they needed to be inhumanly ripped.
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Post by rickrudesmullet on Jul 23, 2011 17:51:12 GMT -5
Christian is definitely on something .
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Post by dicegirl72 on Jul 23, 2011 18:10:24 GMT -5
Well it COULD be a cortizone shot as well. Testing positive doesn't mean Sin Cara was taking anabolic roids either.. They just test for the traces of the roids. Remember back in 94 or so when Shawn Michaels got suspended for roids. He denied it the whole time, still does. So who knows. You can take things that have steroids in them From what I remember from my pharmacology classes (granted, a while ago), anabolic steroids and corticosteroids are different enough in structure that one wouldn't accidentally cause a false positive for the other (well, cortisone wouldn't cause a false positive for Winstrol). I could be wrong though.
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Post by britishbulldog on Jul 23, 2011 18:45:18 GMT -5
As far as getting big without steroids and how genetics play out. I am 5'8" in my best shape I ranged between 200-210 with ten percent body fat. I have never done protein shakes, or any other supplement. I used to swim 2-3 hours a day and lift hard for 1.5 hours a day. Before this I was 165, I basically gained 40 pounds in a year and a half. Some of the gain was simple growing up. Most was from busting my ass. Now that I don't work out I still weigh between 185-195. But if you look at the average weight for guys my height it is around 155=165. At this point for me to be that small I would basically be all bone. I have a frame that allows me to put on size and muscle. Many people don't. Because of this I tend not to judge upon looks as far as steroids go.
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Post by avenger on Jul 23, 2011 19:02:05 GMT -5
Well it COULD be a cortizone shot as well. Testing positive doesn't mean Sin Cara was taking anabolic roids either.. They just test for the traces of the roids. Remember back in 94 or so when Shawn Michaels got suspended for roids. He denied it the whole time, still does. So who knows. You can take things that have steroids in them i just dont understand the rules. its like the IOC and olympics, their drug rules suck because cough syrup and anti inflammatories amongst other things can make u test positive. i bet $100 sin cara's "steroid positive" test came through on a cortisone or methylprednisolone shot like he mentioned. both are steroids but for medical purposes. u could take a million of them and u wouldnt get any bigger. so many different kinds of steroids and most just use that broad term and make them all bad. i'll give u 4 uses right now and people would test positive on wwe's terms because their system is bull s*** lupus asthma inflammed tissue skin rash. all four would make u show up dirty and wwe needs to change that right now. Well, no, with the WWE's policy you can pretty much take anything - as long as you have a prescription. Batista is asthmatic, and never failed for the medication he would need to take. The IOC will let you take something in similar situations, if there is no alternative medication available, and you agree to get an IOC approved doctor to verify the condition and medicine taken - but it's a rarity. Sin Cara couldn't "find" his prescription, even after failing. But as Rey Mysterio found out, you need to tell them about the prescription up front. And that's there for two reasons - find the "right" doctor, and he'll write you a retroactive prescription, rather than one when you're taking something medicinally. Secondly, if you have an accident, lose consciousness and get taken to ER, the medics need to know what you're on, so that they don't give you other medicine that reacts.
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Jul 23, 2011 19:59:58 GMT -5
I was talking about Coleman during on season. Off season he's closer to about 330. And I don't know how different contests has anything to do with what I'm trying to say. I'm saying it's impossible to get to Ronnie Coleman size without steroids (near 300 lbs <5% bf). It doesn't matter what your genetics are, how long you've been lifting, or how hard you work out. If a pro bodybuilder could do that naturally, then they wouldn't all be taking steroids. different contests = different rules. real cut and dry. Yeah, one contest tests for steroids, one doesn't.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 23, 2011 20:35:52 GMT -5
Well it COULD be a cortizone shot as well. Testing positive doesn't mean Sin Cara was taking anabolic roids either.. They just test for the traces of the roids. Remember back in 94 or so when Shawn Michaels got suspended for roids. He denied it the whole time, still does. So who knows. You can take things that have steroids in them i just dont understand the rules. its like the IOC and olympics, their drug rules suck because cough syrup and anti inflammatories amongst other things can make u test positive. i bet $100 sin cara's "steroid positive" test came through on a cortisone or methylprednisolone shot like he mentioned. both are steroids but for medical purposes. u could take a million of them and u wouldnt get any bigger. so many different kinds of steroids and most just use that broad term and make them all bad. i'll give u 4 uses right now and people would test positive on wwe's terms because their system is bull s*** lupus asthma inflammed tissue skin rash. all four would make u show up dirty and wwe needs to change that right now. you mean 3 right?its never lupus.
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Post by chaimwitz on Jul 23, 2011 20:44:56 GMT -5
i just dont understand the rules. its like the IOC and olympics, their drug rules suck because cough syrup and anti inflammatories amongst other things can make u test positive. i bet $100 sin cara's "steroid positive" test came through on a cortisone or methylprednisolone shot like he mentioned. both are steroids but for medical purposes. u could take a million of them and u wouldnt get any bigger. so many different kinds of steroids and most just use that broad term and make them all bad. i'll give u 4 uses right now and people would test positive on wwe's terms because their system is bull s*** lupus asthma inflammed tissue skin rash. all four would make u show up dirty and wwe needs to change that right now. you mean 3 right?its never lupus. my dad has lupus. he takes steroid pills to keep it in check.
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Johnny Flamingo
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jul 23, 2011 20:57:33 GMT -5
My opinion, looks can be deceiving, except in this case, and if anyone wants to tell me that this body is natural....feel free
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