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Post by adam3s on Jul 19, 2011 20:13:45 GMT -5
Yeah, but, Punk is selling the storyline. He didn't show up on RAW in any capacity. It was Punk's choice to leave, therefore we want him on TV because he wasn't forced out. Cena was forced out in the Nexus storyline, fair and square (at least with the Vince angle you could use his senile mind as an excuse for Cena not to be fired), yet, he appeared anyways on the same night, not selling the angle. Do you get it now? Thank you. I get why you would want Punk back straight a way that is fair although you disliking that his not back and others saying that the storyline isn't advancing because he didn't come back on Monday isn't exactly the same. If you are claiming that Punk is selling the story you clearly, whilst unhappy, understand why for storyline purposes why Punk not coming back yet is a good thing. But...I still have to disagree with you on the idea that Cena wasn't selling the angle. He was forced out so the rightful selling would be disgruntled and trying to get back straight a way, cause his the guy that loves the business and the fans. He hated The Nexus and took a page out of their book and terrorized them until they agreed to let him be resigned.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Jul 19, 2011 20:21:58 GMT -5
Yeah, but, Punk is selling the storyline. He didn't show up on RAW in any capacity. It was Punk's choice to leave, therefore we want him on TV because he wasn't forced out. Cena was forced out in the Nexus storyline, fair and square (at least with the Vince angle you could use his senile mind as an excuse for Cena not to be fired), yet, he appeared anyways on the same night, not selling the angle. Do you get it now? Thank you. I get why you would want Punk back straight a way that is fair although you disliking that his not back and others saying that the storyline isn't advancing because he didn't come back on Monday isn't exactly the same. If you are claiming that Punk is selling the story you clearly, whilst unhappy, understand why for storyline purposes why Punk not coming back yet is a good thing. But...I still have to disagree with you on the idea that Cena wasn't selling the angle. He was forced out so the rightful selling would be disgruntled and trying to get back straight a way, cause his the guy that loves the business and the fans. He hated The Nexus and took a page out of their book and terrorized them until they agreed to let him be resigned. That's fine and all, but he should have at least not shown up the first 2 weeks or so, and then do what he did because "he missed it too much". He's suppose to be a man of his word. Him not missing a single RAW is what pissed most people off.
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Post by adam3s on Jul 19, 2011 20:24:31 GMT -5
the crowd or this forum? With the first one that really matters, that wasn't the case Wow, nothing as empowering or dismissive as telling a group of people their opinions aren't worth anything, is there? If fairness the post he was replying to seemed to be treating the people on this forum as WWE's only fans and in fact dismissing the majority opinion of Cena on TV being a good thing. Also he is kinda right whilst our opinions do matter, I'm sure Vince wishes the older internet fans got behind Cena in the numbers that the live audiences does. The majority opinion is always worth taking into consideration more than the minority...especially when looking to make money. I think WWE has dug themselves a big hole in reference to Cena. I think both Cena and WWE would both love to give him some time off to rest and heal a bit, but they aren't afforded that luxury since they have pushed him so much and others so little that there is no one that can fill that void for them. Then the office panics when Cena is not on RAW and the ratings dip. I remember when I was a kid, and I was a big WWF Hulk Hogan fan. However, when he left, I still liked a lot of the guys because WWE made me care about them. Maybe it wasn't a whole lot of guys, but when you had HBK, Bret Hart, Razor, Diesel, and a choice other few, these were guys that could at least collectively make up for the absence of a megastar and perhaps later grow themselves into big stars. Right now, as much as some guys got some great pushes, no one has gotten a sustained push (aside from maybe Orton) to make up for the loss of Cena, even for a few weeks. I was a little annoyed at the Cena showing up right away after the Nexus firing, but I understand that WWE feels it is a necessity. However, eventually WWE's hand is going to be forced in this regard. Cena's neck might progress into "Edge" territory, Orton might have an injury that keeps him out a extended length of time. Who do they turn to? They can't show Cena and Orton vignettes for two hours. They need to have backup plans, and by that, I mean, at least a subtle effort to keep a group of guys (both heels and faces) as legitimate threats. Even the guys that a year ago were threats (Miz, Barrett, Sheamus, Morrison) are in various states of limbo. This is the problem to me. Of course I would be happy if Cena went off TV for a while for the right reasons, such as letting him get a rest so his healthy for the big WM match. Same reason why I'm happy with Punk being off TV right now for one you can't break the fourth wall every week without it getting old quickly. Secondly it makes sense right now for him not to be on TV for a while plus currently we have lots of ways he could comeback possibly through something involving individually or any combo of Cena/Triple H/Vince.
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Post by adam3s on Jul 19, 2011 20:34:28 GMT -5
That's fine and all, but he should have at least not shown up the first 2 weeks or so, and then do what he did because "he missed it too much". He's suppose to be a man of his word. Him not missing a single RAW is what pissed most people off. Thing is how much is Cena meant to be a man of his word. Hustle, Loyalty and Respect is his three things. We can put his actions down to the hustle side of things. Probably could've done with those "2 weeks" but thing is he isn't meant to be stupid so would it really take him that long to decide that his missing it too much. Plus whilst most people here being pissed off he didn't take time off is one thing it was the attitude that he should've gone away, like that would have been the right, wise decision. Which getting rid of your number one face when you don't have to doesn't make sense.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jul 19, 2011 20:36:50 GMT -5
Thank you. I get why you would want Punk back straight a way that is fair although you disliking that his not back and others saying that the storyline isn't advancing because he didn't come back on Monday isn't exactly the same. If you are claiming that Punk is selling the story you clearly, whilst unhappy, understand why for storyline purposes why Punk not coming back yet is a good thing. But...I still have to disagree with you on the idea that Cena wasn't selling the angle. He was forced out so the rightful selling would be disgruntled and trying to get back straight a way, cause his the guy that loves the business and the fans. He hated The Nexus and took a page out of their book and terrorized them until they agreed to let him be resigned. That's fine and all, but he should have at least not shown up the first 2 weeks or so, and then do what he did because "he missed it too much". He's suppose to be a man of his word. Him not missing a single RAW is what pissed most people off. Even that would have been fine if he didn't give that big emotional going away speech.
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Post by Piccolo on Jul 19, 2011 20:40:15 GMT -5
People want Cena gone. People want Punk to stick around. It's that simple. the crowd or this forum? Let's use logic to figure out the answer to your question. The post is titled, "Double Standard Much IWC?" The post goes on to bitch about the IWC. Then someone posts an explanation for why the alleged "double standard" exists. So given the first two points, Lorenzo, who do you think is being referenced in the third? adam3s: This is not the truth, Adam. You addressed an alleged "double standard" with a particular group of people. Someone offered an explanation for this phenomenon. Let's not start moving the goalposts.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 20:41:32 GMT -5
I didn't want Punk on Raw this week and I don't really mind them not even attempting to honor the Cena stipulation compared to the way they went about it with the Nexus thing. So stop generalizing.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jul 19, 2011 21:01:40 GMT -5
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I AM UNDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE!
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Post by adam3s on Jul 19, 2011 21:22:07 GMT -5
Let's use logic to figure out the answer to your question. The post is titled, "Double Standard Much IWC?" The post goes on to bitch about the IWC. Then someone posts an explanation for why the alleged "double standard" exists. So given the first two points, Lorenzo, who do you think is being referenced in the third? adam3s: This is not the truth, Adam. You addressed an alleged "double standard" with a particular group of people. Someone offered an explanation for this phenomenon. Let's not start moving the goalposts. As in my other posts I have said disliking Cena and liking Punk is one thing but the double standard is when people start complaining saying that the booking is bad and their reasons not being based purely on their opinion of the wrestlers. That would be like someone saying I'm using a bad double standard by wanting lengthy matches with Bryan and then complaining when a Kahli match is giving time. "Thank you. I get why you would want Punk back straight a way that is fair although you disliking that his not back and others saying that the storyline isn't advancing because he didn't come back on Monday isn't exactly the same" As I mentioned it that post. So him just claiming the reasons for the complaints that I was addressing being because people wanted Cena gone and Punk to stay and me claiming that's just the opinion of some of the IWC and isn't a truly valid reason (okay an excusable one maybe) doesn't mean I am moving the goal posts. Because whilst that is essentially where the double standard is coming from it isn't the grievance I personally have with the double standard. I didn't want Punk on Raw this week and I don't really mind them not even attempting to honor the Cena stipulation compared to the way they went about it with the Nexus thing. So stop generalizing. I mentioned the Nexus thing. Plus I am a wrestling fan, I am part of a wrestling community that is on the internet and as such that makes me part of the IWC and for obvious reasons I weren't including myself in the double standard. So whilst I may have not clarified, I am obviously aware that the opinion I mentioned in my initial post couldn't be directing at everyone who considers themselves apart of the IWC. Anyway generalizing is a natural thing to do. Me saying something like 'Citizen Kane is considered a great movie' when you personally may not consider it great doesn't make my point completely without weight as it is an opinion shared by enough people to make it an almost completely valid point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 22:38:34 GMT -5
I for one think CM Punk should be off TV for at least a month.
I really don't care if Cenas back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2011 11:45:54 GMT -5
Its so funny to me when people take things a small fraction of people say and try to make it seem like EVERYONE or even the majority of people thinks this way.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Jul 20, 2011 12:09:12 GMT -5
Its so funny to me when people take things a small fraction of people say and try to make it seem like EVERYONE or even the majority of people thinks this way. Most of this forum thinks the exact same way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2011 12:59:34 GMT -5
I don't remember ever making comments that they are dropping any balls, and am quite frankly offended by being grouped together with ball droppers. See I'm on the opposite side of the fence I'm forever fumbling & dropping my balls
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Post by woowoowoox on Jul 20, 2011 13:02:31 GMT -5
I don't remember ever making comments that they are dropping any balls, and am quite frankly offended by being grouped together with ball droppers.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 20, 2011 13:15:14 GMT -5
Its so funny to me when people take things a small fraction of people say and try to make it seem like EVERYONE or even the majority of people thinks this way. Most of this forum thinks the exact same way. Hence the accusations of people who don't as "faking it for attention" or to try and be a 'beautiful and unique snowflake', or just plain trolling.
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Post by who throws a shoe?! on Jul 20, 2011 13:17:16 GMT -5
Its so funny to me when people take things a small fraction of people say and try to make it seem like EVERYONE or even the majority of people thinks this way. It's funny to me when someone makes a generalised comment and people get offended by it.
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Post by Fluxe_Tate on Jul 20, 2011 13:18:15 GMT -5
Its so funny to me when people take things a small fraction of people say and try to make it seem like EVERYONE or even the majority of people thinks this way. Thats because the whole "IWC" are hiveminds, remember? All it takes is one person to say it then everyone has said it ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) If CM Punk called double standards on this storyline, you guys would totally admit it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2011 13:22:46 GMT -5
Oh yay another double standard "if or when CM Punk did this thread"
Here is a simple explanation OP:
Cena is fired and if he stays away from TV for a while, it gives The Nexus and Wade Barrett serious heel heat. Kind of like it when a babyface gets injured in real life so they write it off that the heel injures him on camera so he gets major heel heat and writes a storyline when he returns. It's like when Sheamus took Triple H off TV for nearly a year and kept mentioning he is the man responsible for Triple H's retirement. The Nexus could of benefited saying we are the group responsible for Cena's firing!
CM Punk on the other hand is the f***ING WWE CHAMPION! He has the physical WWE Championship belt and if they make another WWE Champion, he could interfere saying it's not fair for he's the uncrowned champ! Plus he isn't under contract so he's holding the WWE hostage at the moment.
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Post by zeez on Jul 20, 2011 15:59:59 GMT -5
Don't be too angry. We're not perfect. We like wrestling and we like to share our opinions. Sometimes those opinions don't jive with one another so to settle it we either discuss the issue through lively debate and/or sit around and insult each other's mamas. Welcome to the Internets.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2011 16:15:16 GMT -5
Honestly, if you are getting aggravated by the forum just take a day away from it.
If I ever get annoyed by stuff on here (rarely, very rarely) then I just don't read for a few days, saying "75% of the forum are hypocrites" is going to make people dislike you as a poster and is just foolish.
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