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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 22:25:47 GMT -5
The fact that in most release situations the majority of workers are tight-lipped but she got a bit of a twitter send-off from the other woman workers suggests that her reputation among other wrestlers is not quite what news sites have said so many times. People who hate you don't say you're the best, you were important, you were a good person, you were their favorite, etc. I wouldn't be so sure of that. Even in my office, we've had co-workers that were incredibly disliked that either left for other jobs or got laid off, and everybody else still wished them the best of luck, said the standard "we'll miss you" and "you were so nice to work with" lines, despite the fact that they were about as popular as that drunken uncle that comes over every Thanksgiving. It's completely possible that Melina was very popular backstage, and the dirtsheets were (once again) full of s***. But given the fact that she's known for throwing rookies out of the locker room and making them change in the hallway, and cheating on JoMo with Batista, I wouldn't be surprised if the dirtsheets were right on this one, and the other divas were simply being courteous and professional despite their personal feelings. yeah. Plus its been quite some time since someone above developmental got released, or so it seems, and at this point like 80% of the company is on twitter so you're gonna get more wellwishers than you would have a year ago.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 22:26:38 GMT -5
The fact that in most release situations the majority of workers are tight-lipped but she got a bit of a twitter send-off from the other woman workers suggests that her reputation among other wrestlers is not quite what news sites have said so many times. People who hate you don't say you're the best, you were important, you were a good person, you were their favorite, etc. I wouldn't be so sure of that. Even in my office, we've had co-workers that were incredibly disliked that either left for other jobs or got laid off, and everybody else still wished them the best of luck, said the standard "we'll miss you" and "you were so nice to work with" lines, despite the fact that they were about as popular as that drunken uncle that comes over every Thanksgiving. It's completely possible that Melina was very popular backstage, and the dirtsheets were (once again) full of s***. But given the fact that she's known for throwing rookies out of the locker room and making them change in the hallway, and cheating on JoMo with Batista, I wouldn't be surprised if the dirtsheets were right on this one, and the other divas were simply being courteous and professional despite their personal feelings. I doubt it. If she wasn't well-regarded by the other female wrestlers, why would so many of them bother to speak up about her (note that she got more attention from them than Gail, and some of what was said regarding her was personal)? That's a bit of an anomaly. She's well-documented being friends with quite a few other female wrestlers backstage, including ones who left the company before her. This simply confirms that dirtsheets weren't too knowledgeable about things after all. She probably got phased out because of the combination of her age and the length of her tenure. She had accomplished basically everything she wanted to do and there was very little left. And WWE most likely didn't see any point in her hanging on doing nothing (she wasn't working house shows or dark matches either). So they did the logical thing and let her go. I guess the other sign to see what's going on about this is Summerslam; if Truth wins there, there might be more to it. If he doesn't, then this was probably a "friendly" form of release and there won't be any collateral damage, either.
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Post by foreveryoung on Aug 5, 2011 22:27:02 GMT -5
What the hell I thought Masters was reported to get a big push after Mania?
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Post by randomranter on Aug 5, 2011 22:31:00 GMT -5
All I'm saying is there was never any proof, and people are acting like it's all fact and they have inside knowledge or something. Trish commented on the cold shoulder yet made no mention of Melina at all. And the half ass heel turn was all speculation. For all we know the heel turn could have been planned like that and WWE just ended up dropping it. Wouldn't be the first time. I myself have no comment on whether or not it is true because I have no idea. I'm the first (and usually the loudest) to speak out when people take unfounded dirtsheet rumors/speculation/newz and act like it's gospel truth. It's a huge pet peeve of mine. But in this case, that's not what happened. There were issues with JoMo and Trish. This has been confirmed by trish, and is not dirtsheet newz. Why JoMo gave her the cold shoulder has always been speculation, along with rumors of Melina being the one egging him on. Given Melina and JoMo's past history, this is not out of the realm of possibilities, but has never been (and should not be) treated as fact. And the WWE doesn't intentionally book a heel turn just to have that character completely break kayfabe on twitter and her personal blogs, then go on TV and half-ass the entire storyline. Sure, I'll concede that the storyline could've been randomly dropped. But given Melina's behavior (not her behavior as reported by dirtsheets -- her actual behavior onscreen, on twitter, and on her blogs), it's much more likely that the angle was dropped because of Melina's blatant refusal to cooperate. Melina herself stated that she didn't want to be heel, wanted her fans to understand that "her character isn't what she's like in real life", and all-but-admitted that she wasn't giving it her all on TV. Go back and read her blogs and twitter posts yourself. If I were Vince, I'd drop her angle, yank her off TV, and consider canning her too.
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Post by randomranter on Aug 5, 2011 22:41:40 GMT -5
I doubt it. If she wasn't well-regarded by the other female wrestlers, why would so many of them bother to speak up about her (note that she got more attention from them than Gail, and some of what was said regarding her was personal)? That's a bit of an anomaly. Professional conduct. Again, it's not uncommon for workers to give best wishes to a departing worker despite their personal feelings about him/her. I see it all the time. Even heavily disliked co-workers tend to have a few friends. This would not be a surprise. Is it possible that the dirtsheets blew things out of proportion and were talking completely out of their ass? Absolutely. In fact, likely. But given Melina's past track record, it's also possible that there's at least some validity to these rumors.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 22:43:42 GMT -5
And the WWE doesn't intentionally book a heel turn just to have that character completely break kayfabe on twitter and her personal blogs, then go on TV and half-ass the entire storyline. Sure, I'll concede that the storyline could've been randomly dropped. But given Melina's behavior (not her behavior as reported by dirtsheets -- her actual behavior onscreen, on twitter, and on her blogs), it's much more likely that the angle was dropped because of Melina's blatant refusal to cooperate. Melina herself stated that she didn't want to be heel, wanted her fans to understand that "her character isn't what she's like in real life", and all-but-admitted that she wasn't giving it her all on TV. Go back and read her blogs and twitter posts yourself. If I were Vince, I'd drop her angle, yank her off TV, and consider canning her too. Honestly, if that is the case, then booking is at fault here. There's absolutely no reason to force a worker to go in a direction that is contrary to what they want and contrary to their marketability. She was popular with the fans; arguably the most popular diva they had with live crowds up until she turned. With the size of female wrestlers increasing, making the person who had gotten over as a face for being smaller and feistier than her opponents into a heel worked against match psychology too. Not to mention, she's the only fully Mexican diva that they've had, or have, on their roster--she was especially popular in Latin America and very marketable there. Not a dealbreaker by any means, but why not utilize a good resource? If I did something I was great at for a living and my boss made me switch to something I'm not so good at and ruined the productivity of my career, I wouldn't have protested and hung around. I would've given them my notice. It doesn't matter if you protest, or you don't protest. Look at Cryme Tyme. Split up for no good reason; they had decent matches and fans loved them. Now Shad's gone and JTG has wasted away. And JTG had kept things fairly professional, but they haven't done him a lick of good. Melina could've publicly sucked up to WWE and it wouldn't have changed a thing, other than maybe she could've collected a paycheck that she probably doesn't need too badly right now.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Aug 5, 2011 22:44:27 GMT -5
I was endeavored before it went mainstream
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Post by Starshine on Aug 5, 2011 22:48:37 GMT -5
I guessing Melina will have a lot more free time to spend with Batista and Knox now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 22:50:37 GMT -5
And the WWE doesn't intentionally book a heel turn just to have that character completely break kayfabe on twitter and her personal blogs, then go on TV and half-ass the entire storyline. Sure, I'll concede that the storyline could've been randomly dropped. But given Melina's behavior (not her behavior as reported by dirtsheets -- her actual behavior onscreen, on twitter, and on her blogs), it's much more likely that the angle was dropped because of Melina's blatant refusal to cooperate. Melina herself stated that she didn't want to be heel, wanted her fans to understand that "her character isn't what she's like in real life", and all-but-admitted that she wasn't giving it her all on TV. Go back and read her blogs and twitter posts yourself. If I were Vince, I'd drop her angle, yank her off TV, and consider canning her too. Honestly, if that is the case, then booking is at fault here. There's absolutely no reason to force a worker to go in a direction that is contrary to what they want and contrary to their marketability. She was popular with the fans; arguably the most popular diva they had with live crowds up until she turned. With the size of female wrestlers increasing, making the person who had gotten over as a face for being smaller and feistier than her opponents into a heel worked against match psychology too. Not to mention, she's the only fully Mexican diva that they've had, or have, on their roster--she was especially popular in Latin America and very marketable there. Not a dealbreaker by any means, but why not utilize a good resource? If I did something I was great at for a living and my boss made me switch to something I'm not so good at and ruined the productivity of my career, I wouldn't have protested and hung around. I would've given them my notice. It doesn't matter if you protest, or you don't protest. Look at Cryme Tyme. Split up for no good reason; they had decent matches and fans loved them. Now Shad's gone and JTG has wasted away. And JTG had kept things fairly professional, but they haven't done him a lick of good. Melina could've publicly sucked up to WWE and it wouldn't have changed a thing, other than maybe she could've collected a paycheck that she probably doesn't need too badly right now. Or she could do what they tell her to do because you know....it's her job. Also I love the fact that you're deeming that Melina should have creative control over her character. She's going to Hulk Up all over the Divas Division!
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 5, 2011 22:51:15 GMT -5
And the WWE doesn't intentionally book a heel turn just to have that character completely break kayfabe on twitter and her personal blogs, then go on TV and half-ass the entire storyline. Sure, I'll concede that the storyline could've been randomly dropped. But given Melina's behavior (not her behavior as reported by dirtsheets -- her actual behavior onscreen, on twitter, and on her blogs), it's much more likely that the angle was dropped because of Melina's blatant refusal to cooperate. Melina herself stated that she didn't want to be heel, wanted her fans to understand that "her character isn't what she's like in real life", and all-but-admitted that she wasn't giving it her all on TV. Go back and read her blogs and twitter posts yourself. If I were Vince, I'd drop her angle, yank her off TV, and consider canning her too. Honestly, if that is the case, then booking is at fault here. There's absolutely no reason to force a worker to go in a direction that is contrary to what they want and contrary to their marketability. She was popular with the fans; arguably the most popular diva they had with live crowds up until she turned. With the size of female wrestlers increasing, making the person who had gotten over as a face for being smaller and feistier than her opponents into a heel worked against match psychology too. Not to mention, she's the only fully Mexican diva that they've had, or have, on their roster--she was especially popular in Latin America and very marketable there. Not a dealbreaker by any means, but why not utilize a good resource? If I did something I was great at for a living and my boss made me switch to something I'm not so good at and ruined the productivity of my career, I wouldn't have protested and hung around. I would've given them my notice. It doesn't matter if you protest, or you don't protest. Look at Cryme Tyme. Split up for no good reason; they had decent matches and fans loved them. Now Shad's gone and JTG has wasted away. And JTG had kept things fairly professional, but they haven't done him a lick of good. Melina could've publicly sucked up to WWE and it wouldn't have changed a thing, other than maybe she could've collected a paycheck that she probably doesn't need too badly right now. Wait, if no one wants to be a heel because you get more money as a face (through merchandise) then who will be a heel? Heels are needed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 22:52:52 GMT -5
I was endeavored before it went mainstream holy christ winner
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Post by randomranter on Aug 5, 2011 22:55:22 GMT -5
Honestly, if that is the case, then booking is at fault here. There's absolutely no reason to force a worker to go in a direction that is contrary to what they want and contrary to their marketability. She was popular with the fans; arguably the most popular diva they had with live crowds up until she turned. With the size of female wrestlers increasing, making the person who had gotten over as a face for being smaller and feistier than her opponents into a heel worked against match psychology too. I will agree that it was a stupid decision to turn her heel when they didn't need any more heels, she didn't want to do it, and they appeared to have no intentions of going anywhere with it. That's bad booking. But it's still her job to handle any disputes in the back, and do the job she's being paid to do in public. It was unprofessional of her to essentially sabotage the whole thing by breaking kayfabe online. She should have stayed in character and handled personal issues in the back. And if they were adamant about keeping her heel....well, tough shit. It's what she gets paid for. Given the state of the women's divisions over the past few months, she should have considered herself grateful to get any TV time at all. To my knowledge, she wasn't any more popular among the Latino community than she was among the general fanbase. Could be wrong here, though. In this job market...if you're in a position to do that, then more power to you. Unfortunately, some of us have to pay the bills. I very seriously doubt she was making all that much money, especially once you deduct her travel expenses, health insurance, etc. Once you deduct all of that, you'd be surprised at how little some of these people make. $100k might seem like a lot, but if $40k is going to travel expenses, high health insurance costs, and being taxed at a higher rate than most of us, then her salary doesn't look nearly as good.
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Post by J.O.B. Squad on Aug 5, 2011 22:56:32 GMT -5
Chris Masters being released sucks,he is way better now than he use to be plus he was the king of the dark matches for him,who is gonna take his place now....Santino?
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 5, 2011 23:01:26 GMT -5
I was endeavored before it went mainstream You know, if we just combined every single silly gimmick idea for Chris Masters ever and made him into a hipster who ironically wears a sombrero and makes his pecs bounce, he'd be a bigger star than Hogan and Austin combined.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Aug 5, 2011 23:03:41 GMT -5
I don't understand how Hawkins survived this. I really don't.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 5, 2011 23:05:31 GMT -5
I don't understand how Hawkins survived this. I really don't. Is he friends with Punk?
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Aug 5, 2011 23:06:22 GMT -5
I don't understand how Hawkins survived this. I really don't. Are you trying to jinx him?You are a horrible person.
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Post by Burst on Aug 5, 2011 23:06:38 GMT -5
It ain't over yet. I wouldn't come out of the Funaki Bunker til Monday at least.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 23:07:15 GMT -5
Honestly, if that is the case, then booking is at fault here. There's absolutely no reason to force a worker to go in a direction that is contrary to what they want and contrary to their marketability. She was popular with the fans; arguably the most popular diva they had with live crowds up until she turned. With the size of female wrestlers increasing, making the person who had gotten over as a face for being smaller and feistier than her opponents into a heel worked against match psychology too. Not to mention, she's the only fully Mexican diva that they've had, or have, on their roster--she was especially popular in Latin America and very marketable there. Not a dealbreaker by any means, but why not utilize a good resource? If I did something I was great at for a living and my boss made me switch to something I'm not so good at and ruined the productivity of my career, I wouldn't have protested and hung around. I would've given them my notice. It doesn't matter if you protest, or you don't protest. Look at Cryme Tyme. Split up for no good reason; they had decent matches and fans loved them. Now Shad's gone and JTG has wasted away. And JTG had kept things fairly professional, but they haven't done him a lick of good. Melina could've publicly sucked up to WWE and it wouldn't have changed a thing, other than maybe she could've collected a paycheck that she probably doesn't need too badly right now. Or she could do what they tell her to do because you know....it's her job. Also I love the fact that you're deeming that Melina should have creative control over her character. She's going to Hulk Up all over the Divas Division! Absolutely not, but why make her a heel when there's less popular faces who can play heels better and would be far happier to do so? It's just managing your resources in a way beneficial to business and to workers. It's surprisingly easy to do, and I had been saying for almost a year now, well before Melina's heel turn happened, that diva booking should have been organized far differently in terms of alignments and the like than what they did. It doesn't matter if you protest, or you don't protest. Look at Cryme Tyme. Split up for no good reason; they had decent matches and fans loved them. Now Shad's gone and JTG has wasted away. And JTG had kept things fairly professional, but they haven't done him a lick of good. Melina could've publicly sucked up to WWE and it wouldn't have changed a thing, other than maybe she could've collected a paycheck that she probably doesn't need too badly right now. I very seriously doubt she was making all that much money, especially once you deduct her travel expenses, health insurance, etc. Once you deduct all of that, you'd be surprised at how little some of these people make. $100k might seem like a lot, but if $40k is going to travel expenses, high health insurance costs, and being taxed at a higher rate than most of us, then her salary doesn't look nearly as good. She had to have been making at a few hundred thousand, if the financial reports on wrestlers that came out a long time back are in any way accurate. Obviously not all of that is going into her pocket but it's still a sizable amount, and she does have someone else to put bread on the table.
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Post by Porky's Butthole on Aug 5, 2011 23:16:32 GMT -5
Melina's lucky it took *this* long to fire her. After half-assing her job, going public about it, essentially 'exposing' the business, and all the hoopla..well, let's put it like this...
What if Curt Hawkins did it? Would he have lasted as long?
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