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Post by Red Impact on Aug 9, 2011 13:42:39 GMT -5
Telling your boss to shove it isn't the same thing as short-changing the customers though. Go ahead and bitch and gripe and moan and tell off your boss. But rolling out of a match a minute in isn't telling your boss to shove it, it's showing the fans that you don't care about performing.
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Post by TMK on Aug 9, 2011 14:38:03 GMT -5
Regardless of whether you hated it or not, it was still acting unprofessionally. That's what you asked and that's the answer you got. It's not that cut and dry. It's all a matter of perspective. Was it not unprofessional of WCW to send Jericho a fed-ex with nothing in it? Or for WWE to repeatedly their s*** on the women's division on air? Yes and examples please? I know Cole did it but that built to the storyline of Eve kicking his arse surely?
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 9, 2011 14:39:30 GMT -5
It's not that cut and dry. It's all a matter of perspective. Was it not unprofessional of WCW to send Jericho a fed-ex with nothing in it? Or for WWE to repeatedly their s*** on the women's division on air? Yes and examples please? I know Cole did it but that built to the storyline of Eve kicking his arse surely? The all female NXT, pretty much.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Aug 9, 2011 14:44:19 GMT -5
Telling your boss to shove it isn't the same thing as short-changing the customers though. Go ahead and bitch and gripe and moan and tell off your boss. But rolling out of a match a minute in isn't telling your boss to shove it, it's showing the fans that you don't care about performing. If it makes a difference, according to Gail she walked out on the battle royal to see if anyone in the back was paying attention. When it transpired that they weren't, then she quit.
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Post by Error on Aug 9, 2011 14:45:45 GMT -5
It's WWE, women (should) know what they are getting into before they sign. It's like someone taking a job at McDonalds and being mad no one wants them to cook prime rib.
And, no, I am not saying that saying that they shouldn't want better, just don't act indignant when you don't get it.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 9, 2011 14:55:13 GMT -5
Telling your boss to shove it isn't the same thing as short-changing the customers though. Go ahead and bitch and gripe and moan and tell off your boss. But rolling out of a match a minute in isn't telling your boss to shove it, it's showing the fans that you don't care about performing. If it makes a difference, according to Gail she walked out on the battle royal to see if anyone in the back was paying attention. When it transpired that they weren't, then she quit. She did it at the very beginning of a match with a dozen other women. Who here caught that until watching it over or having it pointed out? And even with all of that, she still did it. No excuses there.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 9, 2011 15:06:59 GMT -5
Telling your boss to shove it isn't the same thing as short-changing the customers though. Go ahead and bitch and gripe and moan and tell off your boss. But rolling out of a match a minute in isn't telling your boss to shove it, it's showing the fans that you don't care about performing. If it makes a difference, according to Gail she walked out on the battle royal to see if anyone in the back was paying attention. When it transpired that they weren't, then she quit. No, it really doesn't make a difference. She still did it, and like Cronant said, she did it in a battle royal, which is the easiest match to lose track of someone. If she was in the final four, then maybe it'd be more noticeable.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Aug 9, 2011 15:25:28 GMT -5
It's WWE, women (should) know what they are getting into before they sign. It's like someone taking a job at McDonalds and being mad no one wants them to cook prime rib. And, no, I am not saying that saying that they shouldn't want better, just don't act indignant when you don't get it. Very valid point. Look, Gail knew what she was getting herself into going back to the WWE. Hell, she didn't even go back because she thought she'd pull out MOTY candidates there; she went back because the paycheck was bigger, and that's about it. To act like she's shocked at the booking all of a sudden is a little... strange. Also, there's a difference between giving the customer what they want and then raising hell backstage (which she would get nothing but praise from me for), and walking out on the company on-screen. Can you imagine the effect it'd have on RAW and the WWE as a whole if, say, JoMo walked out mid-match because he was mad his girlfriend got fired?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 15:30:27 GMT -5
Well congratulations on never being stuck in a dead end job you that you hate that sucks all the life right of you. Well done. I've worked as a dishwasher in a diner. I hated it and barely made any money. Did I walk off in the middle of the job? No. I did my job and kept doing it until I was promoted. Now I'm happy even though I'm working till 4AM in the morning 6 days in a week. A Job is a job. Gail Kim had a job that was hardly a soul crushing experience and in fact had a job that has hundreds clamoring to get it. She gets it then slacks off because she doesn't get pushed. Good riddance to her maybe now we can get someone who cares about the job.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Aug 9, 2011 15:38:19 GMT -5
Well congratulations on never being stuck in a dead end job you that you hate that sucks all the life right of you. Well done. I've worked as a dishwasher in a diner. I hated it and barely made any money. Did I walk off in the middle of the job? No. I did my job and kept doing it until I was promoted. Now I'm happy even though I'm working till 4AM in the morning 6 days in a week. Therein lies the rub. What if you had no prospect of promotion and less competent employees were comstantly promoted ahead of you?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 15:42:23 GMT -5
I've worked as a dishwasher in a diner. I hated it and barely made any money. Did I walk off in the middle of the job? No. I did my job and kept doing it until I was promoted. Now I'm happy even though I'm working till 4AM in the morning 6 days in a week. Therein lies the rub. What if you had no prospect of promotion and less competent employees were comstantly promoted ahead of you? I wonder if Gail's quitting went anything like this: (Language warning, ofc)
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 9, 2011 15:42:44 GMT -5
Damn it, I can't believe they dumped Bishop....or Navy, I guess, Bishop's not exactly his name anymore. Shit.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 9, 2011 15:47:26 GMT -5
I've worked as a dishwasher in a diner. I hated it and barely made any money. Did I walk off in the middle of the job? No. I did my job and kept doing it until I was promoted. Now I'm happy even though I'm working till 4AM in the morning 6 days in a week. Therein lies the rub. What if you had no prospect of promotion and less competent employees were comstantly promoted ahead of you? I was in that exact situation. I was stuck, no chance of promotion, and any job that was coming up went to other people. Still doesn't make me think she wasn't being unprofessional by walking out at the beginning of a match. If you don't agree, fine, but in my mind, she deserves no sympathy.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Aug 9, 2011 15:53:06 GMT -5
Therein lies the rub. What if you had no prospect of promotion and less competent employees were comstantly promoted ahead of you? I was in that exact situation. I was stuck, no chance of promotion, and any job that was coming up went to other people. Still doesn't make me think she wasn't being unprofessional by walking out at the beginning of a match. If you don't agree, fine, but in my mind, she deserves no sympathy. Maybe I should clarify. She was wrong to do that. No doubt. But I can see what her mindset was and I don't see her as the worst person who ever lived who deserves to be used as a slave by WWE.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 9, 2011 15:53:53 GMT -5
I've worked as a dishwasher in a diner. I hated it and barely made any money. Did I walk off in the middle of the job? No. I did my job and kept doing it until I was promoted. Now I'm happy even though I'm working till 4AM in the morning 6 days in a week. Therein lies the rub. What if you had no prospect of promotion and less competent employees were comstantly promoted ahead of you? The way she went about it complete robbed her of any sympathy from me. Its not the "Why" she did it, its what she actually did.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 9, 2011 16:21:19 GMT -5
I was in that exact situation. I was stuck, no chance of promotion, and any job that was coming up went to other people. Still doesn't make me think she wasn't being unprofessional by walking out at the beginning of a match. If you don't agree, fine, but in my mind, she deserves no sympathy. Maybe I should clarify. She was wrong to do that. No doubt. But I can see what her mindset was and I don't see her as the worst person who ever lived who deserves to be used as a slave by WWE. No one said she was the worst person who ever lived, and let's not go overboard by comparing her position to slavery. She was a disgruntled employee who decided to walk out in a public way, and people don't have sympathy with her after what she did. Trying to paint people as heartless or unable to understand her frustrations is ridiculous, a lot of people are in that situation and they quit in ways that aren't unprofessional.
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Post by crimsonwolf on Aug 9, 2011 16:28:20 GMT -5
I've worked as a dishwasher in a diner. I hated it and barely made any money. Did I walk off in the middle of the job? No. I did my job and kept doing it until I was promoted. Now I'm happy even though I'm working till 4AM in the morning 6 days in a week. Therein lies the rub. What if you had no prospect of promotion and less competent employees were comstantly promoted ahead of you? You put in a 2 weeks notice instead of halfassing your job in protest.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 9, 2011 16:42:54 GMT -5
www.diva-dirt.com/2011/08/09/ariane-andrew-wwe-fcw/Apparently, Ariane is still on the roster, just her and the recent guys were put on too early, Leroy Parks and Colin Cassidy. So I'm guessing they're still part of WWE, while guys like Desean Bishop, Bobby Dutch, Sonia, Lucky Cannon, Jason Mullen, I think another british guy, and maybe a few others are gone. So yeah, Ariane has to be the most despised person in wrestling, haha.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Aug 9, 2011 16:50:34 GMT -5
Maybe I should clarify. She was wrong to do that. No doubt. But I can see what her mindset was and I don't see her as the worst person who ever lived who deserves to be used as a slave by WWE. No one said she was the worst person who ever lived, and let's not go overboard by comparing her position to slavery. Read the other thread. People want WWE to keep booking her until her contract is up and fine her if she no shows.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 9, 2011 16:51:56 GMT -5
No one said she was the worst person who ever lived, and let's not go overboard by comparing her position to slavery. Read the other thread. People want WWE to keep booking her until her contract is up and fine her if she no shows. .......Why shouldn't she be punished if she were to no show, or at least no show without some good reason while she was under contract?
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