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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 6, 2011 7:40:44 GMT -5
I think at least Roode will make a comeback from injury and procure one of the 4 spots. I hope so, I want the winner of the thing to be Roode or AJ. It looked like they were setting Roode up for a main event push a couple of months ago. Please do it TNA, Roode vs AJ in the finals.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 6, 2011 8:10:42 GMT -5
One thing I hate is in a tag team match, the guy who makes the pin gets the points. It's supposed to be a team effort, like, Robert Roode should be on the board, it's not fair to just give James Storm points because he got the pin.
Also, I predict Samoa Joe will get up the list quick due to submission wins. 3 submission wins gets him 30 points.
I see something in Gunner as well.
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Post by grunt on Jul 6, 2011 8:22:10 GMT -5
Roode has a submission finisher, he'll be back on top quickly. Joe will do the same, or will go frustrated by his failed attemmpts at winning matches with submissions, and he'll go on a rampage.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 6, 2011 9:19:10 GMT -5
Gunner's advantage over some of these guys is that he hasn't been buried and hasn't been booked like crap for a long period of time.
I'm torn on this tourney and where it is going. To me, I just see a vehicle to set up Angle vs. either RVD or Styles at BFG. This is supposed to be for the #1 contender at the biggest PPV of the year, so it's possible to put some guys over without actually having them win this thing. I think that is why Gunner and Crimson are faring well. They can push those guys to a certain point as long as they don't do something ultra stupid like have either win this thing.
For instance, Crimson running roughshod and winning this tourney without taking a loss and then taking the title is ultra stupid since he isn't remotely ready for that push. But Crimson doing well and making that Final 4 only to take a loss to AJ or Van Dam? That might help cement the idea that he's a future star.
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Post by Cronant on Jul 6, 2011 9:36:52 GMT -5
Building up Crimson and Gunner as "guys to chase" isn't a bad thing. Its a drawn out series and making them look like the guys to beat from the stars helps push them.
Doesn't mean they have to win. Although I'd mark if Gunner did.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 6, 2011 10:01:08 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for TNA to give a reason to care about Gunner or Crimson. I personally rather see Bobby Roode win it all because he's the total package and is fresh enough to make a difference to their main event scene. I wouldn't be mad if Bully Ray won because at least he has a character and work the hell out of a heel promo. And that feud really elevated Joe and Pope, didn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2011 10:01:41 GMT -5
The only guys who could conceivably headline BFG based on their current pushes are: RVD, Morgan, Styles, and Bully Ray, with Roode having a slim chance if his pre-injury push is furthered. No way they headline BFG with Gunner or Crimson involved since it is too early for both of them. If anything, having a four-way to determine the #1 contender gives Crimson an out in losing (i.e. he had the most points but lost the 4-way despite not getting pinned). I think someone in Fortune will cost Gunner the four-way (Bully Ray? Steiner?), setting up a split with Gunner turning face. I would be very surprised if they go with Crimson in the finals. He is not that over yet.
I could see an Angle vs. Morgan main event at BFG with Angle dropping the title. They could go Anderson/Gunner too since it would lead to Gunner turning face, but that is not a BFG calibre main event.
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Post by Objection! on Jul 6, 2011 12:34:14 GMT -5
well there is still time, so hopefully they are doing this purposely, so Joe or Pope can have a comeback towards the end to win it all. Probably wishful thinking I'm still waiting for Pope to gloriously grab victory from the jaws of defeat a la the Against All Odds no.1 contendership. ...it'll happen right? ....RIGHT!!
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 6, 2011 12:39:43 GMT -5
I'm not understanding people flipping out in early July about something that doesn't matter till October.
Also, as I've said for a while, Gunner is actually a very talented worker. And he has actually been given a chance to prove it. He also (from what I hear) had a very good match with AJ at the house show
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Post by CJ on Jul 6, 2011 12:44:30 GMT -5
I'm not understanding people flipping out in early July about something that doesn't matter till October. Also, as I've said for a while, Gunner is actually a very talented worker. And he has actually been given a chance to prove it. He also (from what I hear) had a very good match with AJ at the house show Yeah, he's a good wrestler...I've heard that argument so many times but that doesn't stop that fact that there's absolutely no reason to care about him...
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Jul 6, 2011 13:00:45 GMT -5
I'm not understanding people flipping out in early July about something that doesn't matter till October. Also, as I've said for a while, Gunner is actually a very talented worker. And he has actually been given a chance to prove it. He also (from what I hear) had a very good match with AJ at the house show Yeah, he's a good wrestler...I've heard that argument so many times but that doesn't stop that fact that there's absolutely no reason to care about him... Exactly. You can be as great as a wrestler if you want, but if you don't know how to get the crowd to care about you then all you're doing is providing them a source of entertainment rather giving someone they can emotionally invest in. Granted some of this responsibility falls more on the booker.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2011 13:06:56 GMT -5
I'm pretty that the current top 4 of Gunner, Crimson, Morgan, and AJ will be in the fatal 4 way.
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Post by Cronant on Jul 6, 2011 13:56:25 GMT -5
I'm not understanding people flipping out in early July about something that doesn't matter till October. Also, as I've said for a while, Gunner is actually a very talented worker. And he has actually been given a chance to prove it. He also (from what I hear) had a very good match with AJ at the house show Yeah, he's a good wrestler...I've heard that argument so many times but that doesn't stop that fact that there's absolutely no reason to care about him... For you, maybe. But you don't speak for everyone. And its not like there's much of a reason to care about Styles or Joe right now either.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Jul 6, 2011 13:58:48 GMT -5
Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I see Joe being in the mix at the end, possibly even winning it.
Before the series started, he was doing the start of a losing streak gimmick where they were mentioning his "tough losses". That's still happening, right? When an established guy just gets jobbed out, it's never mentioned that he's losing all the time. So HOPEFULLY this is to set up a big comeback.
Plus after Crimson beat Joe, didn't Tenay and Taz make a point to mention a couple times that Joe mouthed "I'll see you again. I'll see you again." Or something along those lines? One of Russo's few strengths is that he does mix stuff like that in and have it pay off...it's just the 9 million things that happen between Joe saying that and him facing Crimson again in a meaningful match that make it mean nothing from a storyline standpoint.
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Post by CJ on Jul 6, 2011 14:00:04 GMT -5
Yeah, he's a good wrestler...I've heard that argument so many times but that doesn't stop that fact that there's absolutely no reason to care about him... For you, maybe. But you don't speak for everyone. And its not like there's much of a reason to care about Styles or Joe right now either. Who said I was speaking for everybody? ...and considering how boring, bland, average and unexciting Gunner is...I'd say there's more reason to care for AJ & Joe
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Post by Cronant on Jul 6, 2011 14:05:21 GMT -5
For you, maybe. But you don't speak for everyone. And its not like there's much of a reason to care about Styles or Joe right now either. Who said I was speaking for everybody? ...and considering how boring, bland, average and unexciting Gunner is...I'd say there's more reason to care for AJ & Joe I'd say you're wrong but thats just my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2011 16:22:47 GMT -5
It's baffling to me that guys named "Crimson" and "Gunner" are the current "bubbling under" guys in TNA right now. I've barely seen them work so I can't really comment but...THEY ARE NAMED CRIMSON AND GUNNER. They have THE most backyard names of all time, and they are currently being pushed as the future as the company.
I really f***ing hate their names.
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Post by J.O.B. Squad on Jul 6, 2011 16:58:02 GMT -5
I want AJ Styles or RVD to win it,but if Samoa Joe some how managed to I would be ok with that,as for crimson and gunner,they do nothing for me and don't impress me...not even a little bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2011 17:55:55 GMT -5
It's baffling to me that guys named "Crimson" and "Gunner" are the current "bubbling under" guys in TNA right now. I've barely seen them work so I can't really comment but...THEY ARE NAMED CRIMSON AND GUNNER. They have THE most backyard names of all time, and they are currently being pushed as the future as the company. I really f***ing hate their names. Tell the casual/average fan that Samoa Joe and CM Punk are wrestler names and they'd probably laugh for 30 minutes at how absurd they sound. Hell, the YES Network announcers were laughing at CM Punk's name when they had to shill a Smackdown episode on My9. I don't understand why Crimson and Gunner get flack for their names, especially Crimson. There are worse out there attached to better talent.
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