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Post by Ash Kingston on Jul 8, 2011 11:21:08 GMT -5
One thing I hate is in a tag team match, the guy who makes the pin gets the points. It's supposed to be a team effort, like, Robert Roode should be on the board, it's not fair to just give James Storm points because he got the pin. Isn't that how Devon got his 7 points in the first place? If I remember my Impact Wrestling lore correctly (and please let me be wrong here because if I do, I need to scrub my brain ASAP), Pope let him get the pin in a tag match, when realistically, he should have gone for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 11:23:56 GMT -5
Tell the casual/average fan that Samoa Joe and CM Punk are wrestler names and they'd probably laugh for 30 minutes at how absurd they sound. Hell, the YES Network announcers were laughing at CM Punk's name when they had to shill a Smackdown episode on My9. I don't understand why Crimson and Gunner get flack for their names, especially Crimson. There are worse out there attached to better talent. Eh, ok yeah. I've never really liked Joes name all that much. Like, seriously? You're coming up with a wrestling name and you pick Samoa Joe? Though, we've gotten used to those names over the past 6 or so years. In all likelihood the same will happen with these 2. If we still know who they are then. Which I kinda doubt. Mine and probably others problems with their names are they just sound so f***ing generic, like 13 year old making a CAW in SvR and not being able to think of a name generic. Its like they weren't even trying to think of anything. They could at least give Gunner a last name. Samoa Joe vs Minnesota Bob vs Guatemala Pete. BOUND FOR GLORY
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Post by husti on Jul 8, 2011 11:34:13 GMT -5
One thing I hate is in a tag team match, the guy who makes the pin gets the points. It's supposed to be a team effort, like, Robert Roode should be on the board, it's not fair to just give James Storm points because he got the pin. This, also I can't understand why wouldn't tag partners interrupt their partners pin, so they wouldn't get points. It just so stupid to stand on the apron and watch your partner get the pin, at least as a heel
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 11:36:01 GMT -5
One thing I hate is in a tag team match, the guy who makes the pin gets the points. It's supposed to be a team effort, like, Robert Roode should be on the board, it's not fair to just give James Storm points because he got the pin. This, also I can't understand why wouldn't tag partners interrupt their partners pin, so they wouldn't get points. It just so stupid to stand on the apron and watch your partner get the pin, at least as a heel To be fair Morgan broke up his partners pin last night. If the bookers know what they're doing, it could lead to some good drama in tag matches late in the series, but the bookers knowing what they're doing is a big assumption to make.
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Post by @TenaciousBe on Jul 8, 2011 14:12:50 GMT -5
This, also I can't understand why wouldn't tag partners interrupt their partners pin, so they wouldn't get points. It just so stupid to stand on the apron and watch your partner get the pin, at least as a heel To be fair Morgan broke up his partners pin last night. If the bookers know what they're doing, it could lead to some good drama in tag matches late in the series, but the bookers knowing what they're doing is a big assumption to make. Well, you JUST mentioned the drama with Morgan breaking up his own partner's pin. And Pope giving Devon the pin/points was just mentioned as well. I'd say taking these little potshots at the bookers when there are 2 solid examples of them already using these rules in an interesting way is kind of unnecessary.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 14:21:45 GMT -5
To be fair Morgan broke up his partners pin last night. If the bookers know what they're doing, it could lead to some good drama in tag matches late in the series, but the bookers knowing what they're doing is a big assumption to make. Well, you JUST mentioned the drama with Morgan breaking up his own partner's pin. And Pope giving Devon the pin/points was just mentioned as well. I'd say taking these little potshots at the bookers when there are 2 solid examples of them already using these rules in an interesting way is kind of unnecessary. TNA has shown me little throughout their history for me to give them the benefit of the doubt in situations like this. Regardless, we'll just have to see if they can keep booking it interestingly for 3 months or so.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Jul 8, 2011 19:53:28 GMT -5
Crimson looked alot better in the ring working with roode last night. After it's all said and done, both Gunner and Crimson will be better assets to the company by working with the best in Tna over the next couple of months.
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Post by husti on Jul 8, 2011 20:04:13 GMT -5
This, also I can't understand why wouldn't tag partners interrupt their partners pin, so they wouldn't get points. It just so stupid to stand on the apron and watch your partner get the pin, at least as a heel To be fair Morgan broke up his partners pin last night. If the bookers know what they're doing, it could lead to some good drama in tag matches late in the series, but the bookers knowing what they're doing is a big assumption to make. Allright, didn't watch latest episode completely. Just looked extremely stupid during the first weeks where they just stood on the apron
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Jul 8, 2011 20:14:24 GMT -5
Crimson looked alot better in the ring working with roode last night. After it's all said and done, both Gunner and Crimson will be better assets to the company by working with the best in Tna over the next couple of months. The match was okay, it was just impossible to get into because the result was so obvious.
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Post by clashofchampains on Jul 8, 2011 23:34:37 GMT -5
Crimson looked alot better in the ring working with roode last night. After it's all said and done, both Gunner and Crimson will be better assets to the company by working with the best in Tna over the next couple of months. That's the thing though, they can't get over by themselves, why should the roster of guys that are better workers should have for goals to make Gunner and Crimson look better? You are admiting that they will look better by working with better wrestlers. Isn't that a shame. Of course Great Kali would look good working with Kurt Angle. It's awful that these two duffuses can't do it by themselves and others have to be sacrificed to put them over.
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Post by clashofchampains on Jul 8, 2011 23:37:34 GMT -5
Crimson looked alot better in the ring working with roode last night. After it's all said and done, both Gunner and Crimson will be better assets to the company by working with the best in Tna over the next couple of months. The match was okay, it was just impossible to get into because the result was so obvious. This match cried incompetence from a booking standpoint. Oh we want for Crimson to continue his Goldberg run but we want to protect Roode too so have him sell the arm the entire match! No drama. And there will never be drama during Crimson matchs.
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Post by clashofchampains on Jul 8, 2011 23:41:23 GMT -5
And when did it start happening this love? Around when they first starting pushing him, liked him when he won the TV Belt. Thought he had a good look, was good in the ring, and I jumped on the bandwagon. Didn't expect them to start pushing him to the f***in' moon, but I'm cool with it. They should have kept him with the tv belt and focus on be a good tv champ for a while. The fans wants guys to show them what they can do first before accepting them. A good tv belt run would have been perfect for him(if TNA's intention was to push hard). This Superman push will only hurt his career in the long run.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Jul 9, 2011 3:12:57 GMT -5
The match was okay, it was just impossible to get into because the result was so obvious. This match cried incompetence from a booking standpoint. Oh we want for Crimson to continue his Goldberg run but we want to protect Roode too so have him sell the arm the entire match! No drama. And there will never be drama during Crimson matchs. i just wish he'd stop doing that "enter the ring, turn to the ropes, grab them, push them down and make the "RAWWWR" face" that y'know looks almost exactly like Goldbergs entrance... (...we're not taking into account that almost every guy over 6'3 does the same thing...but Matt Morgan is not getting a copycat Goldberg push...)
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Post by kyromax on Jul 9, 2011 3:24:16 GMT -5
I like Crimson, the fact he is a face and is undefeatedand gets 0 reaction from an iMPACT! Zone audience that reacts to usually what TNA whats them to is sad. Gunner is even sadder. He is ok on the mic at best, sloppy in the ring, and has no charisma. Why would anyone pay to watch him main event?
Who would you rather see? The Pope, Roode, Storm, or Gunner? and Gunner is getting the push out of all this. TNA finally pushes someone new, and they push GUNNER?! WTF
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Post by golding on Jul 9, 2011 4:18:09 GMT -5
How far are we from Bound For Glory, again? Joe, Pope, and maybe even Roode have time to play catch-up.
It's been said before, but it's worth repeating. It's hilarious to see people who generally knock TNA for only pushing ex-WWE stars (which, depending on the wrestler, isn't that big a deal in my opinion), only to go crazy over the fact that they are pushing Crimson and Gunner. The gripe obviously isn't what it's being claimed to be. BUT THEY DONT HAVE THE WORKRATE.
Whatever. Some people are never satisfied.
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Post by icemansiva on Jul 9, 2011 6:11:20 GMT -5
Russo is a Arsenal fan. I don't see another reason why they want to push a guy named Gunner
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Jul 9, 2011 6:50:47 GMT -5
Crimson looked alot better in the ring working with roode last night. After it's all said and done, both Gunner and Crimson will be better assets to the company by working with the best in Tna over the next couple of months. That's the thing though, they can't get over by themselves, why should the roster of guys that are better workers should have for goals to make Gunner and Crimson look better? You are admiting that they will look better by working with better wrestlers. Isn't that a shame. Of course Great Kali would look good working with Kurt Angle. It's awful that these two duffuses can't do it by themselves and others have to be sacrificed to put them over. No that's not a Shame, that's how people improve in the business, working with guys who are better and more experienced. Hell, ric flair and the 4 horsemen made a career out of building and teaching young guys who were possibly green as grass at the time and helped them become better performers.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 9, 2011 7:43:37 GMT -5
It's been said before, but it's worth repeating. It's hilarious to see people who generally knock TNA for only pushing ex-WWE stars (which, depending on the wrestler, isn't that big a deal in my opinion), only to go crazy over the fact that they are pushing Crimson and Gunner. The gripe obviously isn't what it's being claimed to be. BUT THEY DONT HAVE THE WORKRATE. Whatever. Some people are never satisfied. Here's the thing, Gunner and Crimson are getting big pushes but aren't getting a reaction. These guys were not getting a groundswell of fan support before their pushes. Lance Hoyt was over years back and he didn't get a push from it. Monty Brown was over and got ping pong around the card because the powers that be didn't want him at the top of the card. TNA haven't gave a real reason to cheer for Gunner or Crimson. Crimson's undefeated streak is greeted with apathy from the Impact Zone. Gunner has beaten former and current TNA champions yet he still is only known as a security guard and Immortal lackey. Glad they are giving new people a shot but why not use folks who get love from the crowd and can hold their own in the ring. How long before guys like Matt Morgan, Booby Roode, James Storm, or The Pope have to wait for their chance? After management decide that the Gunner and Crimson project isn't working?
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 9, 2011 7:55:02 GMT -5
I love the asumption that just because people want a non ex-WWE talent pushed that they'll take any old garbage. I don't recall a single person lobbying for the security guard of Immortal to get a push, but okay.
That argument does.not.work.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Jul 9, 2011 10:38:42 GMT -5
I love the asumption that just because people want a non ex-WWE talent pushed that they'll take any old garbage. I don't recall a single person lobbying for the security guard of Immortal to get a push, but okay. That argument does.not.work. *puts Gunner foam finger down*
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