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Post by repomanfan on Dec 28, 2011 11:57:03 GMT -5
I think the naysayers are forgetting that Goldberg could get the pin on ANYONE.[/quot 1976 wants you back. Dude nobody cares about that stuff anymore. Kayfabe is dead. |
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Post by mauled on Dec 28, 2011 12:44:08 GMT -5
People talk about him being buried in the WWE and losing steam etc but ask yourself what was his first fued and who with... The Rock who did everything he could to put Goldberg over even to having his charachter be afraid of Goldberg so you cant say he was bought in to be buried as I dont think thats the case.
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Post by bitteroldman on Dec 28, 2011 22:41:13 GMT -5
One trick pony, once the streak was over there wasn't much you could do with him. He was born at the wrong time; if he was wrestling during the 70's when the territories were thriving then he could have traveled the circuit much as Andre did. Bring him in for a short run, have him kill the top local heel and then move on. Under those circumstances he might approach legendary status. as Andre did.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Dec 29, 2011 10:17:40 GMT -5
I still see people wearing their Goldberg t-shirts but never Ric Flair t-shirts. How can a guy not be a legend if people are still wearing his t-shirt a decade later?
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Post by Square on Dec 29, 2011 10:27:29 GMT -5
He's a 3rd tier legend. One of those guys that doesn't automatically come to mind to the average person (Austin,Rock,Hogan, Andre) or in the "greatest wrestler of all time" group (Hart, Steamboat, HBK, Flair) but those guys who were "Yeah! I remember him, he was awesome!" he doesn't come to mind straight away but people loved him (Lugar, Warrior, Foley)
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Post by chazraps on Dec 29, 2011 12:56:35 GMT -5
Revisionist History aside, few were ever as over as he was. Agreed. Probably one of the five or so most known active wrestlers in the world at the height of the wrestling boom. I can see debating whether his entire career makes him a legend, but the important thing is that his undefeated streak is undisputedly legendary. Few angles/gimmicks ever catch fire like that. Whether you personally care for it or not, there's absolutely something to be said for capturing the heart and attention of the nation for that year-and-a-half. I also think people forget how charismatic he was. Not even factoring in his wrestling ability or mic skills, his appearing on screen immediately captured your attention. I don't think many others could have ran with the streak gimmick like he did and it's a credit to his performance that he got into the stratosphere. |
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 29, 2011 16:59:29 GMT -5
He is a living legend! A legendary douche bag!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 19:03:31 GMT -5
I still see people wearing their Goldberg t-shirts but never Ric Flair t-shirts. How can a guy not be a legend if people are still wearing his t-shirt a decade later? Those people haven't bought new clothing since 1998. |
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Post by froggyfrog on Dec 29, 2011 20:05:59 GMT -5
Yea kinda
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Post by NOwave on Dec 30, 2011 10:39:01 GMT -5
Tough call. His career was just so brief. That being said, nobody was more popular, arguably not even Austin or the Rock, than Goldberg was at his peak. And, his peak came when the industry as a whole was at it's peak. The total audience for wrestling was much larger in 1997-8 than it is today.
Perhaps my favorite Goldberg minute was when he came out on RAW in response to Teddy Long's "White Boy Challenge" against Rodney Mack. The second Goldberg's music hit, the crowd exploded. Even JR was audibly excited in a way he rarely was. One of the single biggests pops I've ever seen.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 30, 2011 17:28:05 GMT -5
Tough call. His career was just so brief. That being said, nobody was more popular, arguably not even Austin or the Rock, than Goldberg was at his peak. And, his peak came when the industry as a whole was at it's peak. The total audience for wrestling was much larger in 1997-8 than it is today. Perhaps my favorite Goldberg minute was when he came out on RAW in response to Teddy Long's "White Boy Challenge" against Rodney Mack. The second Goldberg's music hit, the crowd exploded. Even JR was audibly excited in a way he rarely was. One of the single biggests pops I've ever seen. Austin and The Rock were more popular, but Goldberg was a debatable 3rd. He was the face of a major wrestling company at wrestling's peak, but didn't transcend pop culture quite as much as Austin and The Rock did. |
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Post by TGM on Dec 30, 2011 18:28:08 GMT -5
Yes.
The main threat to the NWO. I still remember getting goosebumps when he beat Hogan on Nitro. I'd like to see Vince get somebody today in the same way WCW did with Goldberg.
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Post by moneyman20 on Dec 30, 2011 18:28:40 GMT -5
Superstar? Yes. Over as hell? yes.
Legend? Not so sure about that.
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Post by machomuta on Dec 30, 2011 19:23:16 GMT -5
and the worst WM match ever at 20 between him an Brock.  You have obvious not seen a lot of WM matches, if you think that is the worst. |
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Post by mizerable on Dec 30, 2011 21:38:49 GMT -5
Absolutely. He was one of the biggest things during the Monday Night Wars. Yeah, he was a lousy, jacked up wrestler, who had little business even being in the ring. But good Lord was he over. If you went to any show during that time, people were either wearing nWo, Page or Goldberg merchandise. I've got to wonder what constitutes as a legend for some people. Is it a guy who's been in the business for 15 years, always on top, put on great matches, but never drew a dime, especially during a period in which the ratings are suffering?
While I think it is important to value workrate, you can't dismiss someone's legacy because of a lack of it.
Hell..I don't even like Goldberg.
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Post by mauled on Dec 31, 2011 2:45:32 GMT -5
and the worst WM match ever at 20 between him an Brock. You have obvious not seen a lot of WM matches, if you think that is the worst. I do think its the worst because yeah you can get really bad matches but in that they didnt even try both men just stood and stared because it was there last match and so just didnt care and as such it was a slap in the face to any fan who paid to buy a ticket or to see it on PPV. Thats why I think its the worst |
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Post by mizerable on Dec 31, 2011 4:30:54 GMT -5
Bad match or not, it's worth re-watching more than a lot of other matches from the card, simply because of the awesome crowd and Austin's reactions.
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Post by mrmulluk on Jan 1, 2012 14:20:51 GMT -5
For me personally, I can't think of someone who deserves the term legend who doesn't have a certain amount of longevity to their career. That's why Goldberg isn't a legend.
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Post by repomanfan on Jan 1, 2012 14:40:31 GMT -5
Absolutely. He was one of the biggest things during the Monday Night Wars. Yeah, he was a lousy, jacked up wrestler, who had little business even being in the ring. But good Lord was he over. If you went to any show during that time, people were either wearing nWo, Page or Goldberg merchandise. I've got to wonder what constitutes as a legend for some people. Is it a guy who's been in the business for 15 years, always on top, put on great matches, but never drew a dime, especially during a period in which the ratings are suffering? While I think it is important to value workrate, you can't dismiss someone's legacy because of a lack of it. Hell..I don't even like Goldberg. I don't care about work rate(it's overrated) but you have to be a professional inside the ring and the fact that he hurt a few guys pretty badly doesn't sit well with me. Wrestling is not about hurting guys, but about making it look as realistic as you can while doing as little damage to yourself and your opponent. BTW if you've been in the business for 15 years and "on top" usually means that you're doing something right. |
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