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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 2, 2012 4:44:13 GMT -5
While Roma was probably a better worker, I'd say Mongo was a better Horseman. If nothing else Mongo had the Horseman attitude down pat. You could tell being a Horseman was something special to him. To Roma it was just another angle he was in. I'm not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing, I'm just interested where you're going with this. Please, go on. I really don't know what else to say. Mongo just always looked like he was really proud of being a Horsemen. Whenever he did an interview, he was putting over the group. During the handful of times when the Horsemen were disbanded, he was still coming out holding up the 4 fingers. Roma on the other hand never really showed any more enthusiasm being apart of the Horsemen then he did being part of Power & Glory.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 2, 2012 7:00:45 GMT -5
I liked Power and Glory. They were very good. Didn't last long enough though.
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Post by DragonMasterP on Jan 2, 2012 9:44:33 GMT -5
He was just there to be seen, really.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2012 9:50:37 GMT -5
ugh seriously watch some Power and Glory matches. They were a fun powerhouse/brawler tag team with a lot of devastating looking moves. Hercules would superplex a dude and Roma was like flying off the ropes in the middle of the superplex to catch him as he hit the mat. It was awesome. I'm not saying Roma was great or anything, but I've always felt his work with Hercules was extremely underrated. They should have been around for a couple more years and held the tag team belts. Once the Road Warriors squashed them they had no chance Power and Glory was alright, but I honestly can't remember anything about them other than the superplex/splash combo, them wearing stupid sunglasses and Hercules's trunks were about 6 sizes too small and his ass was always hanging out.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jan 2, 2012 10:06:23 GMT -5
I'm with everyone who liked Power and Glory, but never saw much else in the guy. I thought he was okay with Orndorff, but that's about it.
His Horsemen stint was doomed to failure, and I cannot see how the company didn't see that. Maybe if they had never advertised it as the original group getting back together (and definitely if they hadn't announced it as such immediately before the "Flair For the Gold" segment began) and had brought him in and built him up, with Flair and Arn scouting him, etc., it would have been better.
Instead, they advertised the original group literally right up til the last moment, then brought him in out of nowhere. A guy who had no history in the company and had never been treated as any kind of threat in the other company. And while the guy wasn't horrible, he didn't exactly stack up to Flair, the Andersons, Tully, or Windham in terms of wrestling or promos. Even Sid at least had a tremendous look and presence.
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Post by Gelatinous Parasite on Jan 2, 2012 11:29:09 GMT -5
I really don't know what else to say. Mongo just always looked like he was really proud of being a Horsemen. Whenever he did an interview, he was putting over the group. During the handful of times when the Horsemen were disbanded, he was still coming out holding up the 4 fingers. I get the feeling that no one had told him the Horsemen were finished.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Jan 2, 2012 14:02:12 GMT -5
He couldn't get "over". That was his only problem. Why he couldn't get "over" is any body's guess. I doubt it had much to do with his wrestling ability. agree with this anyone who says he wasn't a good technical wrestler has probably never seen a 88-93 match with him. dude was pretty good at it
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jan 2, 2012 17:11:57 GMT -5
Kayfabe-wise, you could make an argument that he belonged in the Horsemen: at Survivor Series 1990, he pinned Shawn Michaels clean.
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Post by repomanfan on Jan 2, 2012 17:35:06 GMT -5
Kayfabe-wise, you could make an argument that he belonged in the Horsemen: at Survivor Series 1990, he pinned Shawn Michaels clean. No you couldn't make any argument.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 2, 2012 19:16:45 GMT -5
Kayfabe-wise, you could make an argument that he belonged in the Horsemen: at Survivor Series 1990, he pinned Shawn Michaels clean. Plenty of people pinned Shawn clean in 1990.
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Post by CM Dazz on Jan 2, 2012 20:19:52 GMT -5
I liked Roma, but I also liked Shane Douglas during his first run in the WWF with the orange tights...
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 2, 2012 21:40:50 GMT -5
I thought he was underrated and never really got all the hate he gets. Now I don't think he should have World Champion or anything but I don't think he's nearly as bad as a lot of people on the internet make him out to be. He was a naturally good athlete that could work a good match. He was really good when he was teaming with Hercules as Power and Glory. I think his biggest problem was his attitude. I've read a couple of interviews he did recently, and he does kind of come off as a delusional deuch. Another thing going against him was his lack of height. He was a strong and well built guy but was probaly only about 5'10" which is short for pro wrestling standards.
As far as the Horseman thing, I agree that it was dumb to put a guy who (with the exception of a couple of brief tag team pushes) was a jobber for most of his career in the WWF, in this big elite group. However, I think they could have at least booked him strong to justify the decision to put him in the group. In pretty much every fans mind he was the weak link who had no business being in the group. So why not give him a few wins over some credible opponents to prove to the fans that he belonged in the Horsemen? Instead Roma and Arn Anderson were used to put over every heel tag team (Hollywood Blondes, Nasty Boys, Harlem Heat) they were trying to push with Roma always eating the pin thus proving the fans right. It wasn't a good idea to have him in the Horsemen, but they could've at least tried to make it work.
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Post by floundertime on Jan 2, 2012 23:47:57 GMT -5
Only just. If we're having a "worst Horseman" contest, in my opinion, those are the only two contenders. Does Kendall windham count as s horseman??? Cause he was pretty bad. Also I can think of 1 good thing about Paul Roma. His young stallions theme song was really good.....in a bad way. YouTube "crank it up" wwf and young stallions. Your welcome in advance for that piece of 80's gold
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 2, 2012 23:51:41 GMT -5
Only just. If we're having a "worst Horseman" contest, in my opinion, those are the only two contenders. Does Kendall windham count as s horseman??? Cause he was pretty bad. Also I can think of 1 good thing about Paul Roma. His young stallions theme song was really good.....in a bad way. YouTube "crank it up" wwf and young stallions. Your welcome in advance for that piece of 80's gold Hmm, at least I remember who the hell Roma is, so he has that over Kendall.
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Post by azrael502 on Jan 4, 2012 7:58:30 GMT -5
Paul Roma= Meh
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Post by The Man on Jan 4, 2012 11:59:57 GMT -5
I honestly think Roma was a much better fit for the horsemen than nearly all of their other members.
Personally I think the best incarnation was Flair, Arn, Tully, and Lex. Horsemen worked best as heels and to me their image was best when they were the cool rich douchebags who would do anything to win. That being said I think Roma and his image fit the horsemen better than nearly every other member they had.
Berry never made sense to me, he was a great worker but he always stuck out like a sore thumb and didn't fit the image of the group.
Sid was too much of a monster. He seemed more like the kind of guy who would kill you for fun. Not the type to beat you down rub your face in it then go out and party with your girl. He was a great heel but a totally different breed than the Horsemen.
Chris, Dean, Pillman, and Sting all seemed like guys who should be fighting the horsemen not joining the group.
I love Jeff Jarret but he is a poor fit for the group especially at that time when he was a country singing urban cowboy who looked like a poor mans Flair in goofy ring gear.
Ole always seemed a bit too Old and blue collar to be in the Horsemen.
So out of all of the past members I honestly think Roma fit the bill of horseman better than most. I also believe he would have gotten over just fine if everyone and their brother were not lead to believe that Tully would be the guy walking out form behind the curtain.
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Post by The QC Loser on Jan 4, 2012 15:45:55 GMT -5
I still remember Power and Glory's finisher. I loved that move! It really stood out back then.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Jan 4, 2012 15:52:25 GMT -5
Ask Alex Wright that question.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jan 4, 2012 18:09:30 GMT -5
Paul was alright, but had absolutely nothing that stood out about him. Good look, but there were plenty other guys with a good look. Average to OK ringwork, IMO. Nothing special, but solid when needed. Great dropkick, though, and the PowerPlex was a thing of beauty. Average to poor micskills, I think, but that's what a manager is for.
In short, he wasn't over enough and didn't do anything grand.
His biggest problem today is that he is pretty delusional about what he did and meant in the wrestling business.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 4, 2012 18:13:17 GMT -5
It's not so much that he was bad; it's that he just really wasn't that good. Pretty much. He was ok, and that was it. Ok in the ring, ok look, ok in just about every facet. Hence the backlash from them trying to shoehorn an 'ok' guy into one of the most legendary stables ever.
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