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Post by General Adam on Jan 17, 2012 19:03:25 GMT -5
So if I am reading this whole range voting thing right, instead of just picking a winner, we sort of score them and we add up the numbers and the one with the most wins? Yes, in a word. A 100-pt scale (0-99) is often used in political elections, but I think a 5 or 10 point scale would suffice for us. So if you faced, say, Ryan Blood, I could give you 5 points and give Ryan Blood 7 points, for example. Viva could stiff you both by giving you 3 points and Blood 2 points, while Gus could give you 8 points and Blood 9 points. That would be you with 16 points and Blood with 18 points. He narrowly wins. I think if this gains enough traction, we could hash out something that hopefully works. I think instead of diving in headfirst, we could pick one match a week to vote this style and see how it works out. Either way, I think a bit of this depends on Viva, since he counts the votes. That said, in a way, we already do this in a greatly compressed way - we give one point to the man we want to win, and 0 to the man we don't want to win. I like it. Let's try this out and see how it works. |
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jan 17, 2012 19:58:44 GMT -5
I will say that it won't make draws completely go away, but because it expands voting beyond A versus B that it becomes much less likely.
Wanna discuss this further in private Viva?
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Jan 17, 2012 21:18:59 GMT -5
So if I am reading this whole range voting thing right, instead of just picking a winner, we sort of score them and we add up the numbers and the one with the most wins? Yes, in a word. A 100-pt scale (0-99) is often used in political elections, but I think a 5 or 10 point scale would suffice for us. So if you faced, say, Ryan Blood, I could give you 5 points and give Ryan Blood 7 points, for example. Viva could stiff you both by giving you 3 points and Blood 2 points, while Gus could give you 8 points and Blood 9 points. That would be you with 16 points and Blood with 18 points. He narrowly wins. I think if this gains enough traction, we could hash out something that hopefully works. I think instead of diving in headfirst, we could pick one match a week to vote this style and see how it works out. Either way, I think a bit of this depends on Viva, since he counts the votes. That said, in a way, we already do this in a greatly compressed way - we give one point to the man we want to win, and 0 to the man we don't want to win. Yeah, I don't like this. I think there's too much risk of bias this way. |
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Jan 17, 2012 21:41:10 GMT -5
Yes, in a word. A 100-pt scale (0-99) is often used in political elections, but I think a 5 or 10 point scale would suffice for us. So if you faced, say, Ryan Blood, I could give you 5 points and give Ryan Blood 7 points, for example. Viva could stiff you both by giving you 3 points and Blood 2 points, while Gus could give you 8 points and Blood 9 points. That would be you with 16 points and Blood with 18 points. He narrowly wins. I think if this gains enough traction, we could hash out something that hopefully works. I think instead of diving in headfirst, we could pick one match a week to vote this style and see how it works out. Either way, I think a bit of this depends on Viva, since he counts the votes. That said, in a way, we already do this in a greatly compressed way - we give one point to the man we want to win, and 0 to the man we don't want to win. Yeah, I don't like this. I think there's too much risk of bias this way. Isn't there always a risk of bias no matter what? I mean, if somebody's really biased then they'd vote against you all the time under the system we've got right now, and there's no rule against them doing so. |
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Post by Viva on Jan 17, 2012 23:35:06 GMT -5
This is the new way we're voting. Discussion over. I just made the executive decision. There have been too many draws, and it's a great way to base your voting on merit, ALL ROUND MERIT, rather than whether someone has had the title for too long, etc.
For instance, if you bitch about losing a match, or being booked poorly, I can give you a 1 and some other guy a 9. Which I should be able to do, because I f***in' hate when people do that, and I think there should be consequences.
It just makes the whole thing matter more. if you carry yourself decent, people won't dog on you. If you don't, you won't get votes. It's also a good way for bookers to gauge whether or not a concept or a character is getting over.
Makes sense to me.
BTW I didn't just make the executive decision, I was just bullshitting. I don't see why we shouldnt' try it though, and unlike BRB, I think we should do an entire card that way, not just one match.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 23:48:48 GMT -5
And that is the reason Viva is better suited for this job than I was. I was too nice at times. That's why we had some of the issues we did, with people leaving and shows never going up on time. Viva and BRB don't take any crap and that's all you can ask for in the head bookers.  |
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jan 18, 2012 0:08:16 GMT -5
You know what.....I whole heartedly endorse the "Range Voting" idea. Having been on both sides of some votes that I don't feel I should have lost (Or won in a few cases) I think that this will (hopefully) mean some noticible changes in booking.
That said, if you intend for the voting margin to possibly have an effect on match outcome (i.e the closeness therof) couldn't that further affect the day to day scheduling of matchwriting, or am I simply reading too much into things?
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Post by Jazzman on Jan 18, 2012 0:19:38 GMT -5
You know what.....I whole heartedly endorse the "Range Voting" idea. Having been on both sides of some votes that I don't feel I should have lost (Or won in a few cases) I think that this will (hopefully) mean some noticible changes in booking. That said, if you intend for the voting margin to possibly have an effect on match outcome (i.e the closeness therof) couldn't that further affect the day to day scheduling of matchwriting, or am I simply reading too much into things? I don't think so, instead of just taking a few minutes to count votes, it's really nothing you can't do with a calculator. It really shouldn't have that much of an affect. Maybe for PPV's since they are bigger shows, but with N-R having so few matches now it won't be that much of a problem from where I sit. |
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Post by Viva on Jan 18, 2012 0:22:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I count votes, and I'm TOTALLY okay with this.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jan 18, 2012 0:35:37 GMT -5
Well, that was quick.  First, I think it's becoming clear what roles Viva and I fulfill: Viva is the no-nonsense bulldog executive while I'm the bean-counting ideas-man. Second, I invite all skeptics to at least give it a chance. If it leads to disaster, then I for one will admit it. Third, I didn't say that we could use it to influence match outcomes, I said that it could be used to influence general booking. If, say, El Hombre de Jazz keeps getting, say, 8s and 9s, then Viva and I could look at that as a measure of how over he is with us in general, and we could try to book him in higher profile matches. Of course we would respect ongoing angles and we need not be slaves to the numbers. They can be a guide, not points of order. |
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Post by Jazzman on Jan 18, 2012 0:43:29 GMT -5
I strongly doubt I'd be getting 8's and 9's BRB... but thanks for the kind words.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jan 18, 2012 0:44:55 GMT -5
So, we need a scale for judging. I think either a 5 or 10 point scale should suffice. 100 is great for political elections, but we're an e-fed with the word "crap" in the title.
Maybe our scale can go to 11...
Also, I believe we should clarify that when you vote that no two contestants may have the same number of points. You can otherwise rate them however you like on the scale.
And just to be clear, no matter how you rate the contestants, it will not have any affect on how the match is written. It only determines the winner.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jan 18, 2012 0:58:03 GMT -5
Yeah I freely admit to misinterpreting your initial idea there guys. Still Very much in agreement, just a minor miscommunication.
That said, I just hope that this new system leads to more decisive N-Rs in the future (once we have thie initial inevitable "bumpy changeover" phase)
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Post by Viva on Jan 18, 2012 1:25:58 GMT -5
I strongly doubt I'd be getting 8's and 9's BRB... but thanks for the kind words. Honestly? I count the votes, dude, and I don't think you really know. There's never really been a time where you haven't been RIGHT. THERE. And I think you're one cusp player that would greatly benefit from a new voting system. |
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Post by Viva on Jan 18, 2012 1:35:58 GMT -5
BRB. just to juxtapose, i say we just go 1-10. And I say we make clear on every ballot that you're voting for a total package thing here. It shouldn't just be about who's more over in your mind. Did they promo? Were they active. Did they make a difference.
Now, if you have a certain way you'd like to see a storyline go, please vote accordingly, but in that case, you'd have high ranks for both guys. If you thought a guy killed in promowise, but isn't ready for the spotlight, give him a 7-9. If give the other guy a point higher. It just works. It's smart. More intuitive, and it just begets more activity.
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Post by The Sam on Jan 18, 2012 1:43:34 GMT -5
Just letting everyone know I'm heading up to Brisbane for the weekend leaving tomorrow (Thursday) and won't be back until Monday night. So I may have to miss Nietraw next week.
So whoever is writing the card out have it mentioned that "The Sam is not at Niteraw this week because of (insert funny excuse here)", I'll leave the excuse up to whoever. And maybe have someone be my replacement GM for that one Niteraw. Or not. Whatever.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jan 18, 2012 1:47:55 GMT -5
BRB. just to juxtapose, i say we just go 1-10. And I say we make clear on every ballot that you're voting for a total package thing here. It shouldn't just be about who's more over in your mind. Did they promo? Were they active. Did they make a difference. Now, if you have a certain way you'd like to see a storyline go, please vote accordingly, but in that case, you'd have high ranks for both guys. If you thought a guy killed in promowise, but isn't ready for the spotlight, give him a 7-9. If give the other guy a point higher. It just works. It's smart. More intuitive, and it just begets more activity. We will need to figure out voting instructions, place them on every card for a month or two so everyone is guided until they get the hang of it, and post them in the first post. Something like this: For each match, rate each contestant on a scale from 1 to 10 based on your opinions on the merits of their promo-work, role within an angle, participation, etc. You may give contestants any score within the scale, but all contestants within a match must have a different score. The contestants with the highest point totals win their matches, but it will have no bearing on how the match is written. How does that sound for instructions? |
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jan 18, 2012 1:51:51 GMT -5
Just letting everyone know I'm heading up to Brisbane for the weekend leaving tomorrow (Thursday) and won't be back until Monday night. So I may have to miss Nietraw next week. So whoever is writing the card out have it mentioned that "The Sam is not at Niteraw this week because of (insert funny excuse here)", I'll leave the excuse up to whoever. And maybe have someone be my replacement GM for that one Niteraw. Or not. Whatever. I think the Majority Shareholder should announce it. That or Viva storms out, announces it, and has a minor power trip or something. I like how you two have different job positions (General Manager versus Commissioner) but they fulfill the same essential role. |
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Post by Connor Mackenzie on Jan 18, 2012 8:53:50 GMT -5
Sounds like an interesting way to do the voting to me. As well, like it was said earlier, it could really help with booking, etc.
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Post by Viva on Jan 18, 2012 14:51:46 GMT -5
Niteraw (1/23/12)
Caleb Fourchon and Marshall Wesley Coventry vs. Mayor Great Botchsuke, Steve Rollins, and Barry Toledo
TV Title Match
The Great Warrior versus El Hombre de Jazz
Viva, The Punisher, and the Smokin' Vokoun vs. Jonathan Michaels, Aaron Enigma, and Connor MacKenzie
KoWC Triple Threat Match
Gus Richlen vs. Teddy Roosevelt vs. Ryan Blood
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