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Post by norsisclouds on Jan 28, 2012 10:22:51 GMT -5
You know, for all the complaining that we have against this storyline, at least Natalya still gets on TV and is still getting a steady paycheck week after week. It's not like she's out of a job. Hey, at least there is positivity in all of this, albeit very little. Given the choice I'd rather be fired than humiliated every week. I gotta agree with this...on a more extreme scale, this stuff has caused other notable female talent to quit eventually... I can't imagine being happy with a farting gimmick. I mean really? She's so talented! Is it that hard to write for a talented female heel? It's not just that it's stupid, it's that it is utterly humiliating. How will anyone ever respect her? How will she ever overcome a stigma so gross and demeaning? This is one of those things can follow your character around for a long time in the audience's memory, and it's especially bad for women in a profession where unfortunately--your sexuality plays a large part, and a flatulent character is not sexy.
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Post by nWoElite on Jan 28, 2012 10:50:20 GMT -5
Given the choice I'd rather be fired than humiliated every week. I gotta agree with this...on a more extreme scale, this stuff has caused other notable female talent to quit eventually... I can't imagine being happy with a farting gimmick. I mean really? She's so talented! Is it that hard to write for a talented female heel? It's not just that it's stupid, it's that it is utterly humiliating. How will anyone ever respect her? How will she ever overcome a stigma so gross and demeaning? This is one of those things can follow your character around for a long time in the audience's memory, and it's especially bad for women in a profession where unfortunately--your sexuality plays a large part, and a flatulent character is not sexy. Maybe this is her way of turning face? Can you honestly see a heel with a fart gimmick?
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jan 28, 2012 10:54:14 GMT -5
BTW, I remember an ex-WWE diva who posted that story that she farted on another wrestler's face while travelling with him. Can|'t recall who though. That would be Shelly Martinez.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 11:47:18 GMT -5
.....Okay, now THAT is straight up Richard kinds of petty. That's incredible. Usually I see logic in WWE's storylines/actions, but this one....wow. It's gonna ruin her WWE career, and then she'll go to TNA. Question is, how long is this going to go on?
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Post by Celgress on Jan 28, 2012 12:26:34 GMT -5
Just to show how crappy the diva's division is, I decided to record the match times for this year. Last year, diva's matches barely went 3 minutes. But now: Diva’s match times:Raw 1/2/12 – The Bella’s def Eve and Kelly Kelly – 2mins 6secs Smackdown 1/6/12 – Tamina def Natalya – 1min 45secs (Natalya jobber entrance) Raw 1/9/12 – No diva’s match Smackdown 1/13/12 – Tamina def Natalya – 57secs (Natalya jobber entrance) Raw 1/16/12 – Kelly Kelly and Alicia Fox def The Bella’s – 57 seconds Smackdown 1/20/12 – No diva’s match Raw 1/23/12 – No diva’s match Smackdown 1/27/12 – Aksana def Natalya – 7secs (Natalya jobber entrance) Average Raw match = 1min 32secs Average Smackdown match = 56 seconds Average match = 1min 10secs Also take into consideration that diva's champion Beth Phoenix hasn't appeared on TV in nearly 6 weeks. As an uber mark for women's wrestling, I just died a little inside while reading this.
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Post by agent817 on Jan 28, 2012 12:27:02 GMT -5
I kind of feel a little bad for her and how low she has fallen. She was champion, as well as one half of a heel diva tag team, and now she is being buried. I kind of saw that the moment she teamed with Tyson Kidd and jobbed on Raw. Don't get me wrong, I am aware that there is real life connection between Tyson Kidd and Natalya, but he has been nothing more than a jobber for a long time and I had a feeling that they weren't coming out the winners in that match. She has also become the jobber of the divas division as well.
Now she is being saddled with this? I really hope that this does not go on, but I am sure that it will go on.
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Post by PKO on Jan 28, 2012 12:35:19 GMT -5
Just to show how crappy the diva's division is, I decided to record the match times for this year. Last year, diva's matches barely went 3 minutes. But now: Diva’s match times:Raw 1/2/12 – The Bella’s def Eve and Kelly Kelly – 2mins 6secs Smackdown 1/6/12 – Tamina def Natalya – 1min 45secs (Natalya jobber entrance) Raw 1/9/12 – No diva’s match Smackdown 1/13/12 – Tamina def Natalya – 57secs (Natalya jobber entrance) Raw 1/16/12 – Kelly Kelly and Alicia Fox def The Bella’s – 57 seconds Smackdown 1/20/12 – No diva’s match Raw 1/23/12 – No diva’s match Smackdown 1/27/12 – Aksana def Natalya – 7secs (Natalya jobber entrance) Average Raw match = 1min 32secs Average Smackdown match = 56 seconds Average match = 1min 10secs Also take into consideration that diva's champion Beth Phoenix hasn't appeared on TV in nearly 6 weeks. As an uber mark for women's wrestling, I just died a little inside while reading this. It just makes wrestling in general look bad. You can't have a match in less than a minute unless it's an absolute squash. Presenting...this...makes none of the girls look good and makes wrestling look crap (matches that consist of about 3 actual moves...really?). It's just so frustrating that they have all the tools to present a good division and they squander it for this instead. Seriously, this is the top wrestling company in the world and they can't see that they could have a few minutes of quality rather than a minute of crap?!? What is wrong with them?
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Jan 28, 2012 12:42:38 GMT -5
She lost the title back to Michelle three weeks later then got released after being pinned by Layla (before she gained credibility) two months later. I'd say it was a Humiliation Conga for Mickie for some bizarre reason. Mickie got about one victory and a few what Id like to tall "standing tall" moments out of the feud. The rest was LayCool pinning/humiliating her over and over and over and over And guess what? That was more then any other diva got against those two combined.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Jan 28, 2012 12:44:10 GMT -5
You know, for all the complaining that we have against this storyline, at least Natalya still gets on TV and is still getting a steady paycheck week after week. It's not like she's out of a job. Hey, at least there is positivity in all of this, albeit very little. Given the choice I'd rather be fired than humiliated every week. Given the choice of being humiliated for money and fired with no money, I'll take the humiliation.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 28, 2012 13:11:33 GMT -5
BTW, I remember an ex-WWE diva who posted that story that she farted on another wrestler's face while travelling with him. Can|'t recall who though. That would be Shelly Martinez. I...don't know how I would feel if that happened to me...
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jan 28, 2012 13:32:17 GMT -5
Mickie got about one victory and a few what Id like to tall "standing tall" moments out of the feud. The rest was LayCool pinning/humiliating her over and over and over and over And guess what? That was more then any other diva got against those two combined. Natalya says hi.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jan 28, 2012 13:54:46 GMT -5
I'd like to see Nattie, T.J., and Harry in TNA. The Hart Dynasty, or Canadian Bulldogs, or whatever they'd call them would be awesome going up against the Motor City Machine Guns. Plus, Natalya in the Knockouts Division would be really good. Yeah, she would totally earn that $200 a week! Sorry, I have to agree here. I mean, she's being utterly wasted in WWE, but let's not act like things wouldn't be worse in TNA; I mean, she would have better showcasing, but that's in exchange for worse pay and writing that's just as shit, possibly shittier on some days. At least in WWE, she'd be making WWE money, and considering the way they cycle their talent, she'll probably rebound within a year when they need somebody to work with Kharma that can, I dunno, actually work. When you look at the whole thing, she'd probably do a lot worse in TNA.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Jan 28, 2012 14:04:41 GMT -5
And guess what? That was more then any other diva got against those two combined. Natalya says hi. I still stand by my statement.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 28, 2012 14:17:20 GMT -5
Mickie got about one victory and a few what Id like to tall "standing tall" moments out of the feud. The rest was LayCool pinning/humiliating her over and over and over and over And guess what? That was more then any other diva got against those two combined. Dont get me started. As much as some people around here loved them, watching them run roughshod over the entire divas roster for a year was absolutely painful
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Post by gonzo16 on Jan 28, 2012 14:32:24 GMT -5
Part of me thinks that Vince still holds a grudge against Bret and decided to punish anyone he's associated with. Smith is gone, Kidd is nothing more than a jobber and has been for a long time, and now Natalya on top of being a jobber is being humiliated every week.
I honestly think Vince gets off on the fact that he is burying Bret's people.
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Post by Beast Army Ass on Jan 28, 2012 14:48:57 GMT -5
Regarding why they always saddle the actual wrestling women with this crap over the models posing as wrestlers...
It's because they're models. If they were given a farting gimmick they'd just quit, make like Maryse, and go back to modeling for probably a bump up in pay because they at least had some notoriety from being in the WWE. With girls like Nattie and Beth, wrestling is more important to them, so they'd be much more hesitant to let their spot in WWE go, no matter how crappy it is currently. Unfortunately, it appears that WWE is also readily aware of this, so they do this with the mindset of "awww what're you gonna do, quit?"
Which frankly is disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 15:01:48 GMT -5
If they were allowing the talented Divas to actually wrestle, I wouldn't feel so bad about the whole farting thing. I mean, if a talented male in WWE is in a stupid angle, he at least can have a match that is entertaining enough to disregard the stupidity of said angle. This Diva crap is like, stupid angle followed by a match that is over in a minute.
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Post by BigWill on Jan 28, 2012 15:08:06 GMT -5
Yeah, she would totally earn that $200 a week! Sorry, I have to agree here. I mean, she's being utterly wasted in WWE, but let's not act like things wouldn't be worse in TNA; I mean, she would have better showcasing, but that's in exchange for worse pay and writing that's just as s***, possibly s***tier on some days. At least in WWE, she'd be making WWE money, and considering the way they cycle their talent, she'll probably rebound within a year when they need somebody to work with Kharma that can, I dunno, actually work. When you look at the whole thing, she'd probably do a lot worse in TNA. Contrary to popular belief, it's not always about the money. Why do you think Gail Kim turned left the WWE and went back to TNA, or why guys like Samoa Joe or AJ Styles refuse to leave?
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jan 28, 2012 16:21:24 GMT -5
Sorry, I have to agree here. I mean, she's being utterly wasted in WWE, but let's not act like things wouldn't be worse in TNA; I mean, she would have better showcasing, but that's in exchange for worse pay and writing that's just as s***, possibly s***tier on some days. At least in WWE, she'd be making WWE money, and considering the way they cycle their talent, she'll probably rebound within a year when they need somebody to work with Kharma that can, I dunno, actually work. When you look at the whole thing, she'd probably do a lot worse in TNA. Contrary to popular belief, it's not always about the money. Why do you think Gail Kim turned left the WWE and went back to TNA, or why guys like Samoa Joe or AJ Styles refuse to leave? While I do agree with you, two of those you mentioned are pretty special circumstances: Gail Kim doesn't have to worry about money, given that she's marrying a famous chef, and I take AJ Styles to be loyal to a fault, not to mention as one of the forefathers of TNA, he pretty much has a job for life. Can't explain Joe, though. But again, I agree. Hell, you have men and women making much less on the independent circuit, but prefer it there to either of the two big promotions. Money's important, but it's not the driving force of most wrestlers, lest they probably wouldn't go into wrestling in the first place.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jan 28, 2012 17:06:37 GMT -5
Sorry, I have to agree here. I mean, she's being utterly wasted in WWE, but let's not act like things wouldn't be worse in TNA; I mean, she would have better showcasing, but that's in exchange for worse pay and writing that's just as s***, possibly s***tier on some days. At least in WWE, she'd be making WWE money, and considering the way they cycle their talent, she'll probably rebound within a year when they need somebody to work with Kharma that can, I dunno, actually work. When you look at the whole thing, she'd probably do a lot worse in TNA. Contrary to popular belief, it's not always about the money. Why do you think Gail Kim turned left the WWE and went back to TNA, or why guys like Samoa Joe or AJ Styles refuse to leave? Actually, Gail Kim is not exactly the best example there, seeing how she's engaged to a celebrity chef, and thus has no real problems when it comes to finances.
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