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Post by joebob27 on Feb 20, 2012 18:08:11 GMT -5
Well, Punk is officially over as a top face since most of this board is siding with Chris Brown.
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Post by Acclaim Entertainment on Feb 20, 2012 18:09:20 GMT -5
Well, Punk is officially over as a top face since most of this board is siding with Chris Brown. If by "most of this board" you mean 3 people, than yes, it is most of this board.
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Post by joebob27 on Feb 20, 2012 18:13:18 GMT -5
Well, Punk is officially over as a top face since most of this board is siding with Chris Brown. If by "most of this board" you mean 3 people, than yes, it is most of this board. I've grazed the thread, it's more than 3 people. Calling someone an asshole, but a lesser asshole than the other guy is not really siding with them. But if Kurt Hawkins did it.... lol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2012 18:14:32 GMT -5
I can't believe that a second thread on this showed up. I'm not getting involved in this one.
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Post by diegorivera on Feb 20, 2012 18:19:46 GMT -5
Good god... This will probably get ignored but I'll say it any way, CM Punk is scum nearly on the level of Chris Brown only if he is doing this for publicity. If Punk is just making noise then fine, I understand and largely agree that Brown is scum who needs an ass kicking, though I don't think that having that opinion in any way makes Punk special or puts him above the level of the millions who believe and say largely the same thing.
Furthermore, if Punk is just saying he wants to, "curb stomp" Brown at an upcoming WWE event," just because Vince or someone in WWE's writing staff told him it might make for good publicity, or something that will make for a good buyrate if a match or in-ring segment could be arranged, then it is Vince or his staff who are the scum.
If it's Punk himself who wants to bring Brown into a WWE event and work a scripted bit or even a match with him for the sake of publicity, then yes, Punk is scum. Not quite on the level of Chris Brown, but closer than any person should be.
Sorry if anyone feels I'm insulting Punk or taking Brown's side or whatever, but I'm not. I fail to see how anyone could think that I'm doing either but here we are. "You are scum conditioned upon (insert circumstance here)," doesn't really strike me as an insult. I could say the same thing about anyone. I could say the same thing about myself. "If I assaulted a woman, or any person really, especially if he or she was physically smaller and weaker than myself when she/he posed no threat to me, my family, my loved ones or my pursuit of life liberty and happiness as legally permitted in the United States then I would be scum." Nothing insulting about that.
TL;DR - If Punk did this to try to create and angle with Chris Brown where he gets face time on TMZ and Brown gets a WWE payday then he is an ass. Not as much of an ass as Brown, but still an ass. If Punk just did this because someone brought it up and that's just how he feels about Chris Brown or he's towing the company line then, "Meh. I agree, but we've all said that Punk."
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Post by diegorivera on Feb 20, 2012 18:22:10 GMT -5
Okay then, so how about the non-famous assaulters of women, (or really, anyone for that matter)? Punk have any righteous indignation for them or just the famous guy who would make for a attention grabbing Wrestlemania main event? Look, I don't doubt that Chris Brown is nearly the lowest type of person you can find and has serious issues with anger and violence compounded by an unwillingness to accept responsibility and fault and probably does need to be smacked around a bit by someone larger and stronger than himself just so he knows how it feels, but why is Punk the one who suddenly takes it upon himself to do it? And what about that makes him special or a hero as opposed to the many, many others who have said the same thing? You can feel different all you want, but if Punk is trying to stur the s*** just to pop a buyrate with a disturbed celebrity with very real issues that need something more than an arena full of people and a PPV audience to spread his undeserved fame to deal with then Phil Brooks comes very close to having some issues that may qualify him for a bit of smacking around himself. BTW, Punk brought up Michaels old drug issues despite HBK getting clean. Shouldn't that mean Austin, (and by extension, Tyson's) old issues are par for the course despite them taking, "punishment without bitch but got counseling, moved on and haven't made a f***ing joke out of what they did." Do you read your own posts? He hasn't said anything about Brown a million people, male and female, many probably stronger, tougher and more capable in a fight than him, haven't said already. So why is Punk doing it to make a name for himself and not the millions of others who have commented? Because the most of the millions of people are not famous and if they did have the chance to kick Chris Browns ass wouldn't do it at a WWE event.
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Post by johnnybaseball, Mantaur Fan on Feb 20, 2012 18:22:51 GMT -5
Good god... This will probably get ignored but I'll say it any way, CM Punk is scum nearly on the level of Chris Brown only if he is doing this for publicity. No, people aren't ignoring this, they're saying you're dead wrong, and that this attitude is absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by diegorivera on Feb 20, 2012 18:29:53 GMT -5
Good god... This will probably get ignored but I'll say it any way, CM Punk is scum nearly on the level of Chris Brown only if he is doing this for publicity. No, people aren't ignoring this, they're saying you're dead wrong, and that this attitude is absolutely ridiculous. Having false anger (or even real anger,) at a woman beating celebrity to arrange a worked match where you get fame and he gets money while not really getting hurt or seeing the error of his ways doesn't put you near the level of aforementioned woman beating celebrity? I must say I disagree and think this is an acceptable and rational attitude. Especially since I am not saying that I know with perfect certainty that this is what Punk is doing.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Feb 20, 2012 18:36:34 GMT -5
No, people aren't ignoring this, they're saying you're dead wrong, and that this attitude is absolutely ridiculous. Having false anger (or even real anger,) at a woman beating celebrity to arrange a worked match where you get fame and he gets money while not really getting hurt or seeing the error of his ways doesn't put you near the level of aforementioned woman beating celebrity? I must say I disagree and think this is an acceptable and rational attitude. Especially since I am not saying that I know with perfect certainty that this is what Punk is doing. Except your basing it on absolutely nothing. You're making a massive leap based on a small aspect of what Punk said that you've blown way out of proportion. On the other hand Punk v Jericho for the WWE title is a pretty much a lock for Wrestlemania at this point. How does that fit into your theory? I mean what about Miranda Lambert? She tweeted about it and Brown then accused her of the same thing you're accusing Punk of. Does that make her "scum nearly on the level of Chris Brown"? BTW, Punk never said he wanted to fight Brown at a WWE event. He said that curb stomping him would be a Wrestlemania moment. Do you not see the difference?
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Feb 20, 2012 18:36:40 GMT -5
It stuns me not only that people defend Brown, but that he still had a successful music career after the incident. I remember he had a hissy fit on some chat show when it was brought up too, proving what a colossal bell-end he is.
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Post by norsisclouds on Feb 20, 2012 18:39:14 GMT -5
It stuns me not only that people defend Brown, but that he still had a successful music career after the incident. I remember he had a hissy fit on some chat show when it was brought up too, proving what a colossal bell-end he is. Yea he threw a chair at a wall after the interview and accused them of trying to trap him when they started asking him questions about beating the shit out of Rihanna. He seems so remorseful, such a ladies man!
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Post by johnnybaseball, Mantaur Fan on Feb 20, 2012 18:39:42 GMT -5
No, people aren't ignoring this, they're saying you're dead wrong, and that this attitude is absolutely ridiculous. Having false anger (or even real anger,) at a woman beating celebrity to arrange a worked match where you get fame and he gets money while not really getting hurt or seeing the error of his ways doesn't put you near the level of aforementioned woman beating celebrity? NO, it bloody well does NOT. Besides the fact that you're just making all that up, even if it was true, NO, it doesn't come even close to what Brown did. This is the lack of perspective I was talking about.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Feb 20, 2012 18:41:18 GMT -5
It stuns me not only that people defend Brown, but that he still had a successful music career after the incident. I remember he had a hissy fit on some chat show when it was brought up too, proving what a colossal bell-end he is. Yea he threw a chair at a wall after the interview and accused them of trying to trap him when they started asking him questions about beating the s*** out of Rihanna. He seems so remorseful, such a ladies man! I think it was a chair through a window, but yeah.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 20, 2012 18:41:34 GMT -5
Good god... This will probably get ignored but I'll say it any way, CM Punk is scum nearly on the level of Chris Brown only if he is doing this for publicity. If Punk is just making noise then fine, I understand and largely agree that Brown is scum who needs an ass kicking, though I don't think that having that opinion in any way makes Punk special or puts him above the level of the millions who believe and say largely the same thing. Furthermore, if Punk is just saying he wants to, "curb stomp" Brown at an upcoming WWE event," just because Vince or someone in WWE's writing staff told him it might make for good publicity, or something that will make for a good buyrate if a match or in-ring segment could be arranged, then it is Vince or his staff who are the scum. If it's Punk himself who wants to bring Brown into a WWE event and work a scripted bit or even a match with him for the sake of publicity, then yes, Punk is scum. Not quite on the level of Chris Brown, but closer than any person should be. Sorry if anyone feels I'm insulting Punk or taking Brown's side or whatever, but I'm not. I fail to see how anyone could think that I'm doing either but here we are. "You are scum conditioned upon (insert circumstance here)," doesn't really strike me as an insult. I could say the same thing about anyone. I could say the same thing about myself. "If I assaulted a woman, or any person really, especially if he or she was physically smaller and weaker than myself when she/he posed no threat to me, my family, my loved ones or my pursuit of life liberty and happiness as legally permitted in the United States then I would be scum." Nothing insulting about that. TL;DR - If Punk did this to try to create and angle with Chris Brown where he gets face time on TMZ and Brown gets a WWE payday then he is an ass. Not as much of an ass as Brown, but still an ass. If Punk just did this because someone brought it up and that's just how he feels about Chris Brown or he's towing the company line then, "Meh. I agree, but we've all said that Punk." There's more evidence that you're trolling this thread for publicity than there is Punk answering a question is a publicity stunt. Plus, you should really read this - i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/03/05/brown.warrant.pdf
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Post by eJm on Feb 20, 2012 18:46:29 GMT -5
Yea he threw a chair at a wall after the interview and accused them of trying to trap him when they started asking him questions about beating the s*** out of Rihanna. He seems so remorseful, such a ladies man! I think it was a chair through a window, but yeah. And the worst thing? Good Morning America had to go out and apologise to HIM for it. Even though they could have sued him for damages done.
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Post by klapaucius on Feb 20, 2012 19:06:13 GMT -5
Having false anger (or even real anger,) at a woman beating celebrity to arrange a worked match where you get fame and he gets money while not really getting hurt or seeing the error of his ways doesn't put you near the level of aforementioned woman beating celebrity? NO, dude. How can anyone think these things are similar? Please, I'm begging you, read your posts.
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Post by norsisclouds on Feb 20, 2012 19:10:57 GMT -5
I think it was a chair through a window, but yeah. And the worst thing? Good Morning America had to go out and apologise to HIM for it. Even though they could have sued him for damages done. It shows you how backwards the attitude is with domestic violence...just generally. I'm not trying to start an argument, but this is ridiculous. I honestly think if it had been some stranger who wasn't dating him and he just beat the hell out of them people would make a bigger fuss but because they were dating and "Oh she's forgiven him" that makes it OK? Since when does it matter if the abused forgave their abuser? Particularly when he's given no indication that he's going to stop and never do it again? He's demonstrated no remorse for anything, and has in fact been publicly haughty about it.
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Post by diegorivera on Feb 20, 2012 19:25:28 GMT -5
Having false anger (or even real anger,) at a woman beating celebrity to arrange a worked match where you get fame and he gets money while not really getting hurt or seeing the error of his ways doesn't put you near the level of aforementioned woman beating celebrity? I must say I disagree and think this is an acceptable and rational attitude. Especially since I am not saying that I know with perfect certainty that this is what Punk is doing. Except your basing it on absolutely nothing. You're making a massive leap based on a small aspect of what Punk said that you've blown way out of proportion. On the other hand Punk v Jericho for the WWE title is a pretty much a lock for Wrestlemania at this point. How does that fit into your theory? I mean what about Miranda Lambert? She tweeted about it and Brown then accused her of the same thing you're accusing Punk of. Does that make her "scum nearly on the level of Chris Brown"? BTW, Punk never said he wanted to fight Brown at a WWE event. He said that curb stomping him would be a Wrestlemania moment. Do you not see the difference? "Punk randomly tweeted that he wants to "curb stomp" Brown at an upcoming WWE event because he wants Brown to "fight somebody that can defend themselves." Let's start with, "WWE Event." Why there? Why not just beat the guy up in private and let the media gradually find out about it, like Brown did to Rihanna? It's like a public execution, (inb4, "No! Not the same!!!!!), it doesn't do anything but satisfy an arbitrary need for vengeance from people who were not really effected by Browns actions. Any celebrity who'd have a big public fight with Chris Brown complete with TV cameras and sponsorships and then hand him a bunch of money afterwards regardless of the outcome all while trumpeting what a hero he or she is, is scum. You want to see Chris Brown get his ass kicked? Don't call CM Punk, Miranda Lambert, or anyone who didn't suffer directly from the actions of Chris Brown. Tie him down, lock him in a small room with no cameras and a single door, hand Rihanna the key to the door and a baseball bat. Cameras get to go in after she's done. I think we can all agree that's fair, right? Already done. A while back. I get it. Not once have I defended Chris Brown's actions or suggested that some form of retribution isn't called for or someone having that desire is odd, wrong, or disagreeable as far as I'm concerned. I'm basing my belief that Punk's motives are not entirely honest or simply to give Brown, "what he's got coming," based upon his desire to do so at a WWE Event. That suggests to me it's more about the spectacle than teaching any lessons. If I'm wrong, fine. In any event, I don't think even honest disgust from Punk is anything special or make Punk a hero, but there's nothing wrong with feeling that way either. Well I guess we bloody well disagree, don't we? Happens sometimes. You are not going to convince me of what you believe any more than I will convince you. I've no problem with that and whatever consequences it may have. If this causes me to loose respect with you or you to dislike me or think less of me than that is fine. For what ever it is worth, I don't take much offense from being disliked by people who my knowledge of amounts to little more than letters on my computer screen. And should my opinion on this matter or any other cause me some sort of misfortune, you happen to be in the vicinity and you somehow recognize me, feel free to respond in whatever manner you feel appropriate. An "I told you so," may be called for, but feel free to be creative.
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Post by hughgrection on Feb 20, 2012 19:29:46 GMT -5
Wait... Wait... People actually think this is some kind of work? WWE would waste their champion and one of their top workers on a match with a non wrestler? People are defending Chris Brown? It's a throwaway twitter remark, and Brown deserves all the shit that comes to him so who cares.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Feb 20, 2012 19:34:42 GMT -5
Just to take this in another direction, I'm happy that CM Punk wants to use a Curb Stomp on Chris Brown. I really love watching that move. Loved it when Paul Birchill used. Love that Cheerleader Melissa uses it. It just looks devastating when realistically done. I really hope Punk busts one out on Raw and adds it to his repertoire. Why does he need to adopt a curbstomp? Just do the GTS right (the way KENTA does it) and he can do just as much damage without some chub-long curbstomp setup. Hell, his roundhouse is easier than both of them, and faster with no setup whatsoever.
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