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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Nov 29, 2011 15:22:55 GMT -5
Anders Behring Breivik, the 32-year-old charged with murdering 77 people in two attacks in Norway, has been assessed as criminally insane by court-appointed psychiatrists.
They concluded that he had developed paranoid schizophrenia over a long period.
He thought that his so-called "Knights Templar" organisation would take power in Europe and insert him as regent of Norway, and he had ideas of using Norwegians in breeding projects and placing them in reservations.
He sees the psychiatric evaluation as 'insulting'.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 29, 2011 15:28:51 GMT -5
Well that was a waste of time.
I could've told you that the day he committed those crimes, because no sane person sets off bombs in front of a government building or shoots dozens upon dozens of kids.
He was clearly f***ing insane.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 29, 2011 15:41:47 GMT -5
Well that was a waste of time. I could've told you that the day he committed those crimes, because no sane person sets off bombs in front of a government building or shoots dozens upon dozens of kids. He was clearly f***ing insane. While true, that isn't what is meant by criminal insanity. I'm not sure exactly how it works in Norway, and researching it is hard at the moment since googling "criminal insanity Norway" only pulls up articles about this, but generally it means not knowing the difference between right and wrong. Sometimes it is articulated as being unable to control your impulses. Some states also have verdicts of "guilty, but mentally ill" which are slightly different. I'm rusty on criminal law but I think they translate to mental institution until you are declared sane, then jail time. Note: It does not mean "get out of jail free" but usually translates to "in a mental institution for the rest of your life because you will probably never be evaluated to not be a threat to society" |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 29, 2011 15:43:13 GMT -5
Well that was a waste of time. I could've told you that the day he committed those crimes, because no sane person sets off bombs in front of a government building or shoots dozens upon dozens of kids. He was clearly f***ing insane. While true, that isn't what is meant by criminal insanity. I'm not sure exactly how it works in Norway, and researching it is hard at the moment since googling "criminal insanity Norway" only pulls up articles about this, but generally it means not knowing the difference between right and wrong. Sometimes it is articulated as being unable to control your impulses. Some states also have verdicts of "guilty, but mentally ill" which are slightly different. I'm rusty on criminal law but I think they translate to mental institution until you are declared sane, then jail time. Note: It does not mean "get out of jail free" but usually translates to "in a mental institution for the rest of your life because you will probably never be evaluated to not be a threat to society" I think shooting kids counts as not being able to tell right from wrong. :^\ |
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Post by Michael Coello on Nov 29, 2011 15:45:21 GMT -5
This means that the government is legally allowed to beat him up dressed as Batman, right? "Criminally Insane" just screams that.
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Post by moneyman20 on Nov 29, 2011 15:45:30 GMT -5
A guy who shot up kids like they were game is insane? Shocking.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 29, 2011 15:53:01 GMT -5
Important to note also, that Norway generally has a more rehabilitative view on criminal justice rather than retributive, with good results. The maximum jail sentence is generally 21 years.
A verdict of insanity is a workaround I believe, since the incarceration might be indefinite.
I really don't have time to verify that that is how it works in Norway, but that is how insanity generally works here.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Nov 29, 2011 16:13:51 GMT -5
This means that the government is legally allowed to beat him up dressed as Batman, right? "Criminally Insane" just screams that. Thanks for making me chuckle at a subject that's dark to the core. That's actually talented (and not at all sarcastic). Besides, let the inmates get to him. No one will ever think twice. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 29, 2011 16:15:42 GMT -5
This means that the government is legally allowed to beat him up dressed as Batman, right? "Criminally Insane" just screams that. Thanks for making me chuckle at a subject that's dark to the core. That's actually talented (and not at all sarcastic). Besides, let the inmates get to him. No one will ever think twice. I don't think Norway plays the "let the inmates deal out the justice, and look the other way at rape" game like we do. |
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Post by rapidfire187 on Nov 29, 2011 17:08:04 GMT -5
While true, that isn't what is meant by criminal insanity. I'm not sure exactly how it works in Norway, and researching it is hard at the moment since googling "criminal insanity Norway" only pulls up articles about this, but generally it means not knowing the difference between right and wrong. Sometimes it is articulated as being unable to control your impulses. Some states also have verdicts of "guilty, but mentally ill" which are slightly different. I'm rusty on criminal law but I think they translate to mental institution until you are declared sane, then jail time. Note: It does not mean "get out of jail free" but usually translates to "in a mental institution for the rest of your life because you will probably never be evaluated to not be a threat to society" I think shooting kids counts as not being able to tell right from wrong. :^\ By that logic, everybody that kills somebody should be found as criminally insane and sent to a mental institution rather than a prison. |
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Post by kidglov3s on Nov 29, 2011 17:12:31 GMT -5
This means that the government is legally allowed to beat him up dressed as Batman, right? "Criminally Insane" just screams that. I thought "Criminally Insane" screamed "I'm hungry!".  |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 29, 2011 17:18:04 GMT -5
I think shooting kids counts as not being able to tell right from wrong. :^\ By that logic, everybody that kills somebody should be found as criminally insane and sent to a mental institution rather than a prison. Probably for the better, as said, mental institution stays can be indefinite, with jail there is a chance of parole. But to defend my point, he didn't STOP shooting kids. He shot dozens of kids in a matter of minutes. Once again, no sane person does that. |
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Post by Krimzon on Nov 29, 2011 17:20:33 GMT -5
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Nov 29, 2011 18:53:13 GMT -5
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Nov 29, 2011 19:11:38 GMT -5
Only we're talking about a guy who I think is in that one-third. |
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Nov 29, 2011 19:20:59 GMT -5
Only we're talking about a guy who I think is in that one-third. The sad thing is that Norway's Prisoner Rehab program has proven to work. Yet it will probably be blasted by media outlets like Fox News and saying Norway is too soft on their criminals, and probably somehow link the rehab program to his disaster. Stick to your guns Norway. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 29, 2011 19:33:47 GMT -5
From everything I have read about Norway's response to this, they absolutely are sticking to their principles.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Nov 29, 2011 20:27:46 GMT -5
Honestly, while it's definitely true that this guy is clearly not right in the head, this schizophrenia diagnosis stinks of a political work-around.
Schizophrenia means disordered, clustered thoughts, delusions, and auditory hallucinations. It means that the sufferer cannot string together coherent thoughts or reason properly, and is plagued by random delusions and hallucinations. And while those things definitely cause them to act in a dysfunctional way, schizophrenics are rarely actually violent.
Breivik's actions were way too coldly logical and efficient for that. The man knew exactly what he was doing when he spent months in advance planning the massacre. And on the day itself, using the bombing as a diversion to draw attention away from the shooting was much too logical. Furthermore, his motive, while extremely chilling, has some degree of real-world logic (not to say that he's anywhere in the right, but still).
These were not the actions of a schizophrenic. A schizophrenic would be like, say, John Hinkley or Mark David Chapman; spend a little time scoping out your target's likely location, then just walk up to your target with a handgun and shoot, and say that you did it to declare your love for Jodie Foster or that "Catcher In the Rye" inspired you to do it.
In this case, it's got to be either a work-around of sending him to a rehabilitative Norwegian prison (they probably don't have many hopes for rehabilitation anyway), or some other kind of political motivation. But from what I've read, the guy just does not seem like a genuine schizophrenic at all.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 29, 2011 20:40:42 GMT -5
I agree. I think it may be a deliberate way to try to keep him out of the public for life. This is of course arm chair diagnosis by someone with no psychiatric background who saw stuff on TV.
I'm surprised honestly that the criminal justice system there has a 21 year max with no apparent exceptions for truly irredeemably dangerous people.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 29, 2011 20:44:47 GMT -5
I agree. I think it may be a deliberate way to try to keep him out of the public for life. This is of course arm chair diagnosis by someone with no psychiatric background who saw stuff on TV. I'm surprised honestly that the criminal justice system there has a 21 year max with no apparent exceptions for truly irredeemably dangerous people. Yeah, Norway has no death penalty. Things like what this guy did would make me want to rethink that, but kudos for Norway sticking to their guns, even if it seems a bit odd to us. |
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