Fiddleford H. McGucket
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Nov 6, 2011 16:04:37 GMT -5
Hey Arnold was good and surprisingly deep for a Nicktoon. Yeah it had some oddness, but it was grounded in that weird reality that exists for a 12 year old. There was a central realness and simple issues with some definite BIG issue lurking at the edges. Doug was....essentially a fantasy. Doug retreated into fantasy when it came to dealing with problems, and in the changeover from Nick to Disney his problems went from "Real" problems to increasingly "Fantasy" problems and situations. Hey Arnold had a few episodes dedicated to the fact that he was an orphan who missed his parents (and was even called out on being an orphan by someone), dealing with the realization that he didn't know them. While the show didn't say flat out that they were presumed dead, that was pretty heavily implied. That's some pretty heavy stuff for a Nickelodeon show at the time. No presumption actually. It flat out said they died/were killed on Safari. Also a shortlist of other implied "Deep" issues ~The Fallout of the Vietnam War/Refugees ~ The ENTIRE Pataki family saga ~ Lila's Dad's economic woes ~ Urban Renewal ~ Homophobia
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Post by horsemen4ever on Nov 6, 2011 21:12:56 GMT -5
I don't care much for either of the main characters, especially Doug. But Hey Arnold supporting cast was just superb. Outside of Arnold and Gerald, all of the kids were awesome. The adults were awesome. I loved the grandparents, they are actully some personality unlike Doug's parents. And also Rhonda voiced by the girl that voiced Ty Lee on Avatar: The Last Airbender is the clincher.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2011 21:15:23 GMT -5
Consider it a bit of a shock, but I've never cared for either show. Though I did enjoy Hey Arnold a bit more than Doug
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Post by horsemen4ever on Nov 6, 2011 21:17:53 GMT -5
And if this about shows with normal person surronded a town of zanny characters, Rocko's Modern Life beats both of them easily.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Nov 6, 2011 21:37:59 GMT -5
Hey Arnold had a few episodes dedicated to the fact that he was an orphan who missed his parents (and was even called out on being an orphan by someone), dealing with the realization that he didn't know them. While the show didn't say flat out that they were presumed dead, that was pretty heavily implied. That's some pretty heavy stuff for a Nickelodeon show at the time. No presumption actually. It flat out said they died/were killed on Safari. Also a shortlist of other implied "Deep" issues ~The Fallout of the Vietnam War/Refugees ~ The ENTIRE Pataki family saga ~ Lila's Dad's economic woes ~ Urban Renewal ~ Homophobia The creator actually said they were planning on a second movie where the parents were involved. I guess as it stands and since that was never made, they're dead. Also, I like Doug, but Hey Arnold is just amazing. I'll just leave these here. Doug- www.freakinawesomenetwork.com/2011/10/dave-the-daves-review-review-on-doug-very-expensive/Hey Arnold- www.freakinawesomenetwork.com/2011/10/dtdrr-read-this-football-heads-hey-arnold/
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Post by rawthentic on Nov 6, 2011 22:13:26 GMT -5
i picked Doug. Huge fan of Roger Klotz and the best thing about Doug was the music. Whoever made music for the show was pretty gifted. You had The Beets, the theme music for each character and just certain scores that would appear throughout the Nick series. Especially the tune used in "The Lucky Hat" episode.
Hey Arnold! is a great show as well. That is one of those shows where you can look at all the characters and discuss how they would all turn out and it would not all be happily ever after. I remember that thread on here regarding that. The best character on Hey Arnold! was Oskar though.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Nov 6, 2011 22:22:10 GMT -5
Wait what? I can't recall any episode where Homophobia was touched even on a subtle way (Or maybe you could refresh my mind) And for the poll, Arnold, he is almost like a modern day peanuts
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 6, 2011 22:28:12 GMT -5
If you want to talk about music...
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Post by horsemen4ever on Nov 6, 2011 22:33:29 GMT -5
Also the disfunctional family that was the Patakey family. Helga's family was really dark when think of it. I remember one episode when Olga acknowledged that Helga hates her. That is pretty sad when you think of it, to have to accept that your sister hates you.
Doug never had stuff like that. In Doug, things always worked out, life was rosey with flowers. In Hey Arnold that is not the case, it is more real. Sometimes things worked out, most of the time things worked out, but there are times you see how unfair and dark the world can be.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Nov 6, 2011 22:41:09 GMT -5
Helga must be one of the best antagonists to a cartoon ever, she did lots of awful things, but you could understand why her character was like that and I wanted badly to see her with arnold
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Nov 6, 2011 22:45:26 GMT -5
Also the disfunctional family that was the Patakey family. Helga's family was really dark when think of it. I remember one episode when Olga acknowledged that Helga hates her. That is pretty sad when you think of it, to have to accept that your sister hates you. Fun fact: the creator of the show actually approached MTV about doing a sequel series called The Pataki's where it centered around Helga as a teenager dealing with a rough family life after Arnold and her broke up and he moved away with his parents (which they found alive in the jungle). Apparently, it was going to be similar in art style but in a more Daria-like tone.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Nov 6, 2011 22:49:05 GMT -5
Also the disfunctional family that was the Patakey family. Helga's family was really dark when think of it. I remember one episode when Olga acknowledged that Helga hates her. That is pretty sad when you think of it, to have to accept that your sister hates you. Fun fact: the creator of the show actually approached MTV about doing a sequel series called The Pataki's where it centered around Helga as a teenager dealing with a rough family life after Arnold and her broke up and he moved away with his parents (which they found alive in the jungle). Apparently, it was going to be similar in art style but in a more Daria-like tone. Why do I have the feeling though that the mother would have been written out, as she just had a nervous break down. I always had the feeling one of these days, all of the madness around her would get to her, as someone trying to piece together this disfunctional. Than again Edith Bunker was able to endure the disfuntional around her. They do remind me of the Wolf family from Rocko's Modern Life. Except for no crossdressers.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Nov 6, 2011 22:53:15 GMT -5
Even though the idea sounds amazing, if that was done, I hope that the ending was the she returned with arnold
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Post by horsemen4ever on Nov 6, 2011 22:56:13 GMT -5
Also the disfunctional family that was the Patakey family. Helga's family was really dark when think of it. I remember one episode when Olga acknowledged that Helga hates her. That is pretty sad when you think of it, to have to accept that your sister hates you. Fun fact: the creator of the show actually approached MTV about doing a sequel series called The Pataki's where it centered around Helga as a teenager dealing with a rough family life after Arnold and her broke up and he moved away with his parents (which they found alive in the jungle). Apparently, it was going to be similar in art style but in a more Daria-like tone. Sounds cool, if done right could have been a modern day animated All In The Family mixed in with Daria.
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Fiddleford H. McGucket
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Nov 6, 2011 23:03:04 GMT -5
Wait what? I can't recall any episode where Homophobia was touched even on a subtle way (Or maybe you could refresh my mind) And for the poll, Arnold, he is almost like a modern day peanuts Ok, a bit of a stretch but Craig Bartlett has come out and said that the Kids's second teacher (Mr. Simmons) was gay. I want to think there was an episode where the parents or kids had an issue with him teaching Fourth grade that was never explicitly stated. I might have been imagining things.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Nov 6, 2011 23:15:27 GMT -5
Well, there was that episode where he debuted when the kids don't liked him, which lead to the subsitute teacher which was a militar, but then he returned and they had a beautiful camp day
I could see the homophobia part in that episode actually
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Post by Dave the Dave on Nov 6, 2011 23:46:50 GMT -5
I've read about that Helga idea before. It sounded like Helga always wrote to him and was a tortured soul even more.
I read it that she moved away though, must have mixed it up. It would make sense to center it around the one that moved, unless you wanted to teenify the entire cast. I would love that acutually, but it would have gone poorly I think.
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Nov 7, 2011 7:57:07 GMT -5
I've read about that Helga idea before. It sounded like Helga always wrote to him and was a tortured soul even more. I read it that she moved away though, must have mixed it up. It would make sense to center it around the one that moved, unless you wanted to teenify the entire cast. I would love that actually, but it would have gone poorly I think. I believe they planned to teenify the entire cast. As for Helga's mom, she was written out but rather was attending AA meetings and working at a local TV station.
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Post by Bishblast on Nov 7, 2011 8:09:30 GMT -5
Oh my god, I hate both. Of all the shows from the period that I actually watched Nick, these were my two least favorite originals.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Nov 7, 2011 11:12:29 GMT -5
I have to admit, I'm shocked by the results here. Considering Doug's history on this forum, I thought he would've run away with it.
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