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Post by BigWill on Oct 2, 2011 22:31:21 GMT -5
I have no problem with the way Beth won the match. She was dominating towards the end anyway, so the mic to the head was pretty much a non-issue, as it looked like Beth was set to win anyway. So it hardly made her look weak.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2011 22:35:08 GMT -5
I’m happy for Beth, but at the same time, I don’t think it should have happened the way the story progressed. As far as I’m concerned, this is like if Michelle McCool beat Mickie James at 2010 Royal Rumble Eh... I think the way the story has progressed this is the only way that the match could have ended and continued the story. Kelly wins again that's the third chance in a row that Beth blows. Beth wins cleanly and soundly all the taunting they've been doing (especially last Friday) proves that yeah Kelly was completly unfit to be in the WWE at all (I am aware some people do hold this stance, but from the WWE's perspective that makes absolutely no sense to say that one of their wrestlers is completely inept). So Kelly as the fighting underdog face in peril, that I personally think suits her, that won't stay down against Beth's stronger cocky and more skilled opponent who could only get the job done through shady means. It doesn't make sense for WWE to say that, but they did. How often do you see a babyface lose after the announcers say going into the match that is exactly what is going to happen? The "cheating" with the mic shot thing would have more merit had Beth actually been in some danger of losing at the time.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Oct 2, 2011 22:35:40 GMT -5
Meh, at least Beth is the champion. I'm just gonna enjoy it while it lasts.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Oct 2, 2011 22:54:42 GMT -5
I just hope they don't use this as a chance to transition the belt onto Eve for yet another godawful, heatless push.
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Post by BigWill on Oct 2, 2011 23:22:52 GMT -5
I just hope they don't use this as a chance to transition the belt onto Eve for yet another godawful, heatless push. I still can't understand why the WWE is so insistent on pushing Eve. If Kelly Kelly is in such a need of a sidekick let AJ do it. At least she can get a crowd reaction.
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Post by Stu on Oct 3, 2011 0:01:41 GMT -5
*Sigh* Beth Phoenix finally wins the title, and people still find stuff to be bummed about.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Oct 3, 2011 0:35:25 GMT -5
I just hope they don't use this as a chance to transition the belt onto Eve for yet another godawful, heatless push. This is like my biggest worry. The heels in her feud got more of a reaction than her, she's nowhere near over enough to be handed the title again nor is she that good a wrestler. She's just...there, all tan and weird looking bangs. A heel turn would do her wonders if booked right.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 0:56:28 GMT -5
I just hope they don't use this as a chance to transition the belt onto Eve for yet another godawful, heatless push. This is like my biggest worry. The heels in her feud got more of a reaction than her, she's nowhere near over enough to be handed the title again nor is she that good a wrestler. She's just...there, all tan and weird looking bangs. A heel turn would do her wonders if booked right. If she turns heel and WWE really tries with it, I give it 50/50 odds at best of actually working. Maybe it'd work, but I think it would be just as likely that she ends up still inspiring apathy, only now as a heel instead as a face.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Oct 3, 2011 1:03:02 GMT -5
They can't turn Eve heel, can they? The only babyfaces left in the division are Kelly, Eve, Alicia (I think?), AJ, and Kaitlyn, if I remember correctly.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 3, 2011 1:17:27 GMT -5
They can't turn Eve heel, can they? The only babyfaces left in the division are Kelly, Eve, Alicia (I think?), AJ, and Kaitlyn, if I remember correctly. Eden Stiles is a face. Honestly though, you're right. The current face/heel ratio is just too off for another heel turn to happen any time soon. Hell, if anything, they need to start turning Divas face. Or bring up Naomi. Please let them bring up Naomi!
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Oct 3, 2011 1:19:10 GMT -5
They can't turn Eve heel, can they? The only babyfaces left in the division are Kelly, Eve, Alicia (I think?), AJ, and Kaitlyn, if I remember correctly. I honestly think the best thing to do for the DoD storyline is to turn every diva face except for Beth, Natalya, maybe Tamina, and Maxine (since she really doesn't count). That way there's more for them to take over and stuff.
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 3, 2011 1:24:37 GMT -5
They can't turn Eve heel, can they? The only babyfaces left in the division are Kelly, Eve, Alicia (I think?), AJ, and Kaitlyn, if I remember correctly. I honestly think the best thing to do for the DoD storyline is to turn every diva face except for Beth, Natalya, maybe Tamina, and Maxine (since she really doesn't count). That way there's more for them to take over and stuff. The problem I can see with something like that is this: wouldn't a handful going against a bigger group make the handful seem cool and strong, then possibly elicit cheers, for getting the upper hand. Example: nWo when they first started out. 3 guys going against all of WCW. Since they would get the upper hand pretty much all of the time, they started to get cheers. Nexus only got away with boos because usually they only targeted people with the odds in their favor, and when the odds were out of their favor they retreated.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 1:31:07 GMT -5
If you turn every diva face except beth and nattie...like above thats pretty much going the numbers route and you're putting the odds against the heels...which IMO would backfire and the audience will side with the heels.
IMO if they wanna keep DOD strong they need to have divas buy into there movement..if no diva buys into what they are trying to do for the division there entire purpose is empty and accomplish nothing , in order for this pin up strong movement to even look semi strong some barbie dolls have to buy into it.
But as i said i think tonight is gonna start the break up of DOD with beth ending up back as a face.
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Post by BigWill on Oct 3, 2011 1:37:07 GMT -5
They can't turn Eve heel, can they? The only babyfaces left in the division are Kelly, Eve, Alicia (I think?), AJ, and Kaitlyn, if I remember correctly. I honestly think the best thing to do for the DoD storyline is to turn every diva face except for Beth, Natalya, maybe Tamina, and Maxine (since she really doesn't count). That way there's more for them to take over and stuff. This is what I was thinking, except instead of Maxine, I'd turn Kaitlyn heel, since she fits the mold better. But then you don't have to have every face diva against the DoD. You'd choose maybe 4 of them to make it an even 4 on 4 feud, and send the leftover divas over to Superstars to feud amongst themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 1:40:43 GMT -5
I honestly think the best thing to do for the DoD storyline is to turn every diva face except for Beth, Natalya, maybe Tamina, and Maxine (since she really doesn't count). That way there's more for them to take over and stuff. This is what I was thinking, except instead of Maxine, I'd turn Kaitlyn heel, since she fits the mold better. But then you don't have to have every face diva against the DoD. You'd choose maybe 4 of them to make it an even 4 on 4 feud, and send the leftover divas over to Superstars to feud amongst themselves. At that point, might as well add one more to each side and get a Survivor Series match out of it.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Oct 3, 2011 2:14:17 GMT -5
I honestly think the best thing to do for the DoD storyline is to turn every diva face except for Beth, Natalya, maybe Tamina, and Maxine (since she really doesn't count). That way there's more for them to take over and stuff. The problem I can see with something like that is this: wouldn't a handful going against a bigger group make the handful seem cool and strong, then possibly elicit cheers, for getting the upper hand. Example: nWo when they first started out. 3 guys going against all of WCW. Since they would get the upper hand pretty much all of the time, they started to get cheers. Nexus only got away with boos because usually they only targeted people with the odds in their favor, and when the odds were out of their favor they retreated. But at least it lets two people who are saying they're going to dominate and take over look like they actually have to take something over and not just beat 4 people.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Oct 3, 2011 2:26:41 GMT -5
They should have Beth keep the title steamrolling everyone until Kharma comes back. Have Beth mock her for taking time off to have a baby, basically saying "You could have been one of the most dominant Divas ever, but you had to put a family first. A true Diva puts the title over everything-you can't have both." That could get a lot of the female fans behind Kharma, who can show you can have both a career and a family, and of course, it has the potential to be one of the better Diva matches in a long time.
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Post by Ryushinku on Oct 3, 2011 3:37:51 GMT -5
They'd really painted themselves into a corner here, Beth would've been dead in the water without a win here. But it's all been kind of backwards, unless you realise that it was more about making Kelly Kelly look good than Beth.
Someone asked what K2 had...I thought it was pretty damn clear that they were going with the Plucky Fiery Never-Say-Die Babyface role here with her.
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Post by blues on Oct 3, 2011 6:31:22 GMT -5
Sucks it wasent clean. But finally. Could we put the screaming to a rest please?
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Oct 3, 2011 8:43:21 GMT -5
I couldnt give a damn how she won it. Outside of Beth murdering my parents in the ring, there is nothing either of them couldve done to get me to want to see Kelly more than Beth.
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