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Post by bestthateverdidit on Sept 24, 2011 16:57:00 GMT -5
I'm also very suspicious of wrestlers who 'want' to be the babyface all the time. I think they have something missing in their lives if they always want to be face, especially since the face gets all the fan adoration and the heel's job is primarily to make the face look good. Heel is the much more unselfish of the two roles - perhaps a true Christian should play the heel in wrestling. Do we have a ban on talking about religion on the board, just out of curiosity? I think we do, dear. Apologies to anyone for that post, though I think it's more borderline, or a tease, than a full-fledged theological treatise, the likes of which such a ban would be designed to avoid.
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Post by Piccolo on Sept 24, 2011 17:00:21 GMT -5
Do we have a ban on talking about religion on the board, just out of curiosity? I think we do, dear. Apologies to anyone for that post, though I think it's more borderline, or a tease, than a full-fledged theological treatise, the likes of which such a ban would be designed to avoid. No worries, hon. I just emailed you with a counterpoint that I thought would be too much into religion to post here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2011 17:12:10 GMT -5
I thought Michaels acted unfavorably in that whole situation.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 24, 2011 17:25:56 GMT -5
There was no shot Hogan was jobbing to Shawn there. If Shawn felt that was remotely gonna happen, he was delusional. It wouldn't have made any sense at all really, nor would it have been what the majority of the fans woulda wanted, even at their ages.
That said, like I said, I thought the match was hilarious.
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Post by Vampiro138 on Sept 24, 2011 18:20:23 GMT -5
i remember Scott Hall and X-Pac watching the match on hall's youtube show, and Pac asks him if Hogan knows whats going on, which Hall says "yeah, Hogans not an idiot, Hulk knows exactly what Shawn is doing, but at the same time he appreciates Shawn for making him look good"
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Post by dav on Sept 24, 2011 18:25:00 GMT -5
i remember Scott Hall and X-Pac watching the match on hall's youtube show, and Pac asks him if Hogan knows whats going on, which Hall says "yeah, Hogans not an idiot, Hulk knows exactly what Shawn is doing, but at the same time he appreciates Shawn for making him look good" Hell, the match is on Hogan's best of DVD. Guy has the brains to figure out what was going on, might have even spoken to Shawn about it before the show.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Sept 24, 2011 18:33:15 GMT -5
Scott Hall and Kevin Nash were more responsible for being on top in 1997 than Hogan was. Someone has been drinking too much Hogan kool aid. The NWO angle would have never taken off as much as it did without Hogan. Hall and Nash have both said so themselves in multiple interviews. Name one person that could have been the "third man" that would have done more for the angle than Hogan. I can tell you as a die hard WCW fan that no one could have taken Hogan's place in that angle and had nearly the amount of impact on it that he had. But without Hall & Nash, the angle doesn't become what it did when Hogan came in. You aren't giving Hall & Nash enough credit.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Sept 24, 2011 18:36:06 GMT -5
Disgusting. Whatever you think of Hulk Hogan as a person, he is the biggest name and legend in the history of the wrestling business and should be treated with respect. For someone like Michaels who as a main eventer couldn't draw flies to a pile of s***, especially in comparison to Hogan, to behave like that in a pay per view main evnet is utterly despicable. HBK sold out the freaking Alamodome in 1997. Im not saying he was an amazing draw, but this whole "HBK cant draw" thing really seems subjective, considering that it wasnt as if WWE stopped drawing crowds when HBK was in the limelight.
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Post by RAW IS GWAR on Sept 25, 2011 7:38:35 GMT -5
Totally unprofessional. If Shawn was a real "born again christian", he would never have done a thing like that. 11th Commandment - Thou shalt not oversell
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Post by Brick Killed a Guy on Sept 25, 2011 7:44:04 GMT -5
Unprofessional, yes...but since it was done on Hogan I laughed heartily.
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Post by spagett on Sept 25, 2011 7:50:11 GMT -5
Disgusting. Whatever you think of Hulk Hogan as a person, he is the biggest name and legend in the history of the wrestling business and should be treated with respect. For someone like Michaels who as a main eventer couldn't draw flies to a pile of s***, especially in comparison to Hogan, to behave like that in a pay per view main evnet is utterly despicable. HBK sold out the freaking Alamodome in 1997. Im not saying he was an amazing draw, but this whole "HBK cant draw" thing really seems subjective, considering that it wasnt as if WWE stopped drawing crowds when HBK was in the limelight. Royal Rumble 97 was heavily papered. There's reports they gave at least 12,000 tickets away for free to fill it out. I wouldn't use that as an example of Michaels drawing power.
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Post by onestepplan on Sept 25, 2011 8:06:44 GMT -5
I'm with Michaels. Hogan had been throwing his weight around to get what he wanted against Shawn's wishes since the beginning of the feud (Shawn's heel turn, no return match) and Shawn got some small amount of payback. It's not funny just because it's Hogan, if anyone else had politicked like that, it'd still be funny if they got what they deserved. I am an HBK fan but it would've been hilarious if Vader clowned him at Summerslam 96.
More importantly, I die every single time I see Shawn walk around the ring after the big boot.
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Post by Serry on Sept 25, 2011 8:07:51 GMT -5
It was much funnier than 'oops, I forgot how to jump during Taker's chokeslam'.
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Post by CM Parish on Sept 25, 2011 8:25:54 GMT -5
Shawn spent 80% of his time from 2002 onwards being a JTTS anyway, so he'd more than repaid his 2 year spell from 96-98.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Sept 25, 2011 8:35:43 GMT -5
I loved it. Hogan wants to look like a superhero, he got it.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Sept 25, 2011 8:56:54 GMT -5
I loved it. Hogan wants to look like a superhero, he got it.
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Post by Pervy Stone Cold on Sept 25, 2011 9:27:38 GMT -5
It hadn't happened before to Hogan had it? Someone, because Vince probably was okay with it, had to put Hogan in his place
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 9:39:21 GMT -5
I don't understand why people keep bringing up Mr. Perfect to justify what Shawn did. They did the same rope bump yes but Mr. Perfect never took a big boot and proceeded to get up from it and stumble around like he was walking on hot coals for several seconds before taking a bump again. He also didn't shake a guy's hand after the match to make a big moment and then get on the mic and s*** all over the match the following night. I'm with you. I have tried to debunk the Perfect thing twice on this thread but no one seems to understand the difference (I'm guessing some here never actually saw Hennig other than YouTube clips). Perfect's selling was over-to-top for EVERYONE. Watch his matches with Tito Santana. He sold the same freakin' way for him as he did for Hogan and others. He took Texas Tornado's finish and defied gravity with his selling. He did it to make his opponent look good. At no time did he ever take the big boot sequence and sell the way Michaels did, or try to make his opponent look bad. I can't believe people are making this comparison.
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Post by Trout Stratus on Sept 25, 2011 9:46:13 GMT -5
I enjoyed the match.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 9:53:31 GMT -5
Michaels got his BS thrown back at him and acted like a 3 year old. Just put the guy over and leave. He's Hulk Hogan, you're not. Hogan got his own BS thrown back at him, actually. This argument goes both ways. People are saying that the only reason people were amused by it is because Shawn's opponent was Hogan... but honestly, it's just as easy to say that the reason people are acting like it's the most heinous thing ever done in wrestling is because it was done by Shawn (note the earlier reference to karma and Davey Boy). I don't think that is a valid comparison. For one thing, no one here has brought up any factual claim to suggest Hogan had anything coming to him. I have been on the internet long enough to know all the Hogan cliche's, most of them being completely irrational, but the only one that has any real merit to it (because even Hulk admitted this himself) is he played politics to keep his spot for as long as possible and had creative control over his character. That's it. The part about him refusing to do jobs and ruining careers, etc, is all hearsay or flat out fabrication because outside of Bret (who would forgive the man who killed his brother but not forgive Hogan for 1993), no one has come out and said "I was supposed to wrestle/beat Hogan but he refused to do business". Bobby Heenan in his shoot said that Hogan would work with a grape if it could draw money, and that is probably true. He has worked with everyone. He didn't job on TV in the 80's because Vince McMahon actually had a brain. That doesn't mean Hogan was not putting anyone over. Michaels refused to job to Davey (among others) in DBS's hometown in a tribute match for his dying sister. If Hogan had done that we wouldn't hear the end of it. Instead of returning the job to Bret at WM 13, he handed the belt to McMahon on TV and went to find his smile. Instead of dropping the belt to Dean Douglas, he handed the belt away and then had his buddy win the title instead. He threatened to fire Vader if Vader worked stiff with him (according to Jim Cornette). The fact that all of these things are documented, and not just hearsay you read on the internet, is telling. On the other end, you have "Hogan killed WCW"(which is ridiculous), and then a bunch of cliches that any 15-year old new to the net will hear the moment he becomes a card carrying smark. The hate for Hogan is far more irrational than calling a spade a spade (as is the case with Shawn).
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