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Post by Andy Martin on Mar 5, 2012 23:33:25 GMT -5
I'm honestly sick of what they've turned the Rock/Cena feud into. It used to be so amazingly hot but now it's just....ugh. The fact you can easily tell Rock isn't going all out and that Cena's been orchestrated to be the upper in these things is making me sick. Let alone Cena reading the writing on his arm like we didn't get it the first time. I know the WWE is using this as their meal ticket and all but they truly don't have any confidence they can do this all on their own and build a feud. This feud feels like it jumped the shark now. Or maybe, just MAYBE Cena is better than The Rock on the mic now?
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Mar 5, 2012 23:35:42 GMT -5
I'm honestly sick of what they've turned the Rock/Cena feud into. It used to be so amazingly hot but now it's just....ugh. The fact you can easily tell Rock isn't going all out and that Cena's been orchestrated to be the upper in these things is making me sick. Let alone Cena reading the writing on his arm like we didn't get it the first time. I know the WWE is using this as their meal ticket and all but they truly don't have any confidence they can do this all on their own and build a feud. This feud feels like it jumped the shark now. Or maybe, just MAYBE Cena is better than The Rock on the mic now? Yeah, I mean it's been 7 years and is an entirely different WWE now. Maybe Rock cannot play in this era?
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Post by mrjl on Mar 5, 2012 23:35:52 GMT -5
@zackryder I kissed a girl and I liked it This'll be interesting. I smell a brainwashing storyline No, I smell the Death of A Push. he'll get wise before Mania
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Mar 5, 2012 23:38:24 GMT -5
I'm honestly sick of what they've turned the Rock/Cena feud into. It used to be so amazingly hot but now it's just....ugh. The fact you can easily tell Rock isn't going all out and that Cena's been orchestrated to be the upper in these things is making me sick. Let alone Cena reading the writing on his arm like we didn't get it the first time. I know the WWE is using this as their meal ticket and all but they truly don't have any confidence they can do this all on their own and build a feud. This feud feels like it jumped the shark now. Or maybe, just MAYBE Cena is better than The Rock on the mic now? Eh he doesn't get reactions like rock does. That's the point of wrestling. When cena does,he'll be better on the mic.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Mar 5, 2012 23:40:39 GMT -5
Or maybe, just MAYBE Cena is better than The Rock on the mic now? Yeah, I mean it's been 7 years and is an entirely different WWE now. Maybe Rock cannot play in this era? That's the thing. The Rock seemingly only has one promo mode these days, the cheap albeit crowd pleasing insults. I miss the rare occasions he'd get serious. I hate to say it but it's seems like what I said last week is true. Like Austin before him, The Rock is sliding into self parody.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Mar 5, 2012 23:40:51 GMT -5
I'm honestly sick of what they've turned the Rock/Cena feud into. It used to be so amazingly hot but now it's just....ugh. The fact you can easily tell Rock isn't going all out and that Cena's been orchestrated to be the upper in these things is making me sick. Let alone Cena reading the writing on his arm like we didn't get it the first time. I know the WWE is using this as their meal ticket and all but they truly don't have any confidence they can do this all on their own and build a feud. This feud feels like it jumped the shark now. Or maybe, just MAYBE Cena is better than The Rock on the mic now? No, but not because of some generic aribitrary anti cena reason, It's fairly obvious they(creative) are scripting this to make them seem like equals.
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Post by Andy Martin on Mar 5, 2012 23:42:23 GMT -5
Or maybe, just MAYBE Cena is better than The Rock on the mic now? Eh he doesn't get reactions like rock does. That's the point of wrestling. When cena does,he'll be better on the mic. This part I can't argue. The Rock still has the fans eating out of his hand after all these years. Doesn't mean they're 'good' promos in my opinion.
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Post by Cronant on Mar 5, 2012 23:45:33 GMT -5
Or maybe, just MAYBE Cena is better than The Rock on the mic now? No, but not because of some generic aribitrary anti cena reason, It's fairly obvious they(creative) are scripting this to make them seem like equals. They scripted Rock to look superior during his main run. Same with Austin. None of those guys had to main event in an era where 'shoot like', gray area promos against other faces were the norm. Neither had to worry about someone promo-ing against them and calling them out in everything they do.
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Post by Piccolo on Mar 5, 2012 23:47:56 GMT -5
Or maybe, just MAYBE Cena is better than The Rock on the mic now? Yeah, I mean it's been 7 years and is an entirely different WWE now. Maybe Rock cannot play in this era? Anything's possible. Lots of pieces of evidence can feed that narrative, and the key to figuring out if it's real or a work is whether you see any of the puppetmaster's strings. Does anything seem discordant... too pat, too convenient, too over-the-top? That's where the notes on the arm from last week come in. One can think Rock is overrated, or can't hang in this era. One can even hate him. Like I said in another thread, I'm hardly his biggest fan. But can anyone tell me with a straight face that he needs notes on his arm? Not that he's somewhat rusty, not that he can't hang in this era, not that he's lost his magic touch... but that he is so blitheringly incompetent at something he used to be so brilliant at that he now needs to take notes in order to cut a promo, a la the aging Santa from Ernest Saves Christmas? It's one of those things that's just a little too movie-esque, a little too cute. And, as far as I'm concerned, it tips their hand. But kudos to them for telling the story in a way that's getting a lot of people to buy in! Kayfabe is a lost art, and it's good to see they can still pull it off sometimes.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Mar 5, 2012 23:53:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean it's been 7 years and is an entirely different WWE now. Maybe Rock cannot play in this era? Anything's possible. Lots of pieces of evidence can feed that narrative, and the key to figuring out if it's real or a work is whether you see any of the puppetmaster's strings. Does anything seem discordant... too pat, too convenient, too over-the-top? That's where the notes on the arm from last week come in. One can think Rock is overrated, or can't hang in this era. One can even hate him. Like I said in another thread, I'm hardly his biggest fan. But can anyone tell me with a straight face that he needs notes on his arm? Not that he's somewhat rusty, not that he can't hang in this era, not that he's lost his magic touch... but that he is so blitheringly incompetent at something he used to be so brilliant at that he now needs to take notes in order to cut a promo, a la the aging Santa from Ernest Saves Christmas? It's one of those things that's just a little too movie-esque, a little too cute. And, as far as I'm concerned, it tips their hand. But kudos to them for telling the story in a way that's getting a lot of people to buy in! Kayfabe is a lost art, and it's good to see they can still pull it off sometimes. You didn't hear? The rock and every top guy wwe has ever had was entirely wwe's doing, at no point did their own ability have any play into it whatsoever. Also cena is the king of promos and soon will be easily trouncing CM Punk or should I said CM Sucks! AMIRITE!
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Mar 5, 2012 23:57:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean it's been 7 years and is an entirely different WWE now. Maybe Rock cannot play in this era? Anything's possible. Lots of pieces of evidence can feed that narrative, and the key to figuring out if it's real or a work is whether you see any of the puppetmaster's strings. Does anything seem discordant... too pat, too convenient, too over-the-top? That's where the notes on the arm from last week come in. One can think Rock is overrated, or can't hang in this era. One can even hate him. Like I said in another thread, I'm hardly his biggest fan. But can anyone tell me with a straight face that he needs notes on his arm? Not that he's somewhat rusty, not that he can't hang in this era, not that he's lost his magic touch... but that he is so blitheringly incompetent at something he used to be so brilliant at that he now needs to take notes in order to cut a promo, a la the aging Santa from Ernest Saves Christmas? It's one of those things that's just a little too movie-esque, a little too cute. And, as far as I'm concerned, it tips their hand. But kudos to them for telling the story in a way that's getting a lot of people to buy in! Kayfabe is a lost art, and it's good to see they can still pull it off sometimes. Yeah, they have used it so much now that I would easily say that it was planned for use but we've seen guys from Punk to HBK to HHH use notes at sometime so that is the little bit that gives it some legitimacy.
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Post by "American Dragon" on Mar 6, 2012 0:02:11 GMT -5
During the Rocks first vignette, did anyone else notice a silver object fly by in the background?
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Post by J.O.B. Squad on Mar 6, 2012 1:05:34 GMT -5
Enjoyed RAW tonight and loved The Rock's promos and feel in my opinion he was way better than Cena on the mic tonight...That and Cena's whole talking like a homey schtick again makes me hate him more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2012 1:51:29 GMT -5
Wound up skipping Raw in favor of sleep. Anything of note I missed?
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 6, 2012 1:56:21 GMT -5
Wound up skipping Raw in favor of sleep. Anything of note I missed? Shawn is the guest ref for Hell in a Cell, Santino is new US champion, and Rock is a time traveling half-horse.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2012 2:31:11 GMT -5
Anything's possible. Lots of pieces of evidence can feed that narrative, and the key to figuring out if it's real or a work is whether you see any of the puppetmaster's strings. Does anything seem discordant... too pat, too convenient, too over-the-top? That's where the notes on the arm from last week come in. One can think Rock is overrated, or can't hang in this era. One can even hate him. Like I said in another thread, I'm hardly his biggest fan. But can anyone tell me with a straight face that he needs notes on his arm? Not that he's somewhat rusty, not that he can't hang in this era, not that he's lost his magic touch... but that he is so blitheringly incompetent at something he used to be so brilliant at that he now needs to take notes in order to cut a promo, a la the aging Santa from Ernest Saves Christmas? It's one of those things that's just a little too movie-esque, a little too cute. And, as far as I'm concerned, it tips their hand. But kudos to them for telling the story in a way that's getting a lot of people to buy in! Kayfabe is a lost art, and it's good to see they can still pull it off sometimes. You didn't hear? The rock and every top guy wwe has ever had was entirely wwe's doing, at no point did their own ability have any play into it whatsoever. Also cena is the king of promos and soon will be easily trouncing CM Punk or should I said CM Sucks! AMIRITE! I really don't see anyone proclaiming Cena the god of promos. I see a lot of people saying he's been on fire recently, but that's clearly not the same as saying he's the greatest ever. I do love that the majority of this board (and the IWC in general) disapproves of Cena at all times and bashes him consistently, but you use the one time he gets praised to mock him and anyone that thinks he's been pretty awesome recently. Sounds reasonable...
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Mar 6, 2012 2:42:56 GMT -5
You didn't hear? The rock and every top guy wwe has ever had was entirely wwe's doing, at no point did their own ability have any play into it whatsoever. Also cena is the king of promos and soon will be easily trouncing CM Punk or should I said CM Sucks! AMIRITE! I really don't see anyone proclaiming Cena the god of promos. I see a lot of people saying he's been on fire recently, but that's clearly not the same as saying he's the greatest ever. I do love that the majority of this board (and the IWC in general) disapproves of Cena at all times and bashes him consistently, but you use the one time he gets praised to mock him and anyone that thinks he's been pretty awesome recently. Sounds reasonable... Right that is exactly my M.O In reality I'm commenting in a satirical manner because everyone is praising cena as if he is the rock,austin,punk,and jericho rolled into one when the reallity is he's ben cutting the same basic promo for weeks now and the only diffeerence is wwe's evening out of the playing feild by having the rock hold back and giving cena jumping off points *writing on wrist*. It also semi irritates me that my argument is somehow invalid regardless of content based soley on if I have a history of disliking a particular wrestler.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2012 3:48:29 GMT -5
I really don't buy that they're having Rock hold back, because they're not playing that up or anything. Last week's show didn't end with him in doubt after Cena left, it ended with him issuing a threat then them focusing on him posing as his music played.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2012 4:27:25 GMT -5
I really don't see anyone proclaiming Cena the god of promos. I see a lot of people saying he's been on fire recently, but that's clearly not the same as saying he's the greatest ever. I do love that the majority of this board (and the IWC in general) disapproves of Cena at all times and bashes him consistently, but you use the one time he gets praised to mock him and anyone that thinks he's been pretty awesome recently. Sounds reasonable... Right that is exactly my M.O In reality I'm commenting in a satirical manner because everyone is praising cena as if he is the rock,austin,punk,and jericho rolled into one when the reallity is he's ben cutting the same basic promo for weeks now and the only diffeerence is wwe's evening out of the playing feild by having the rock hold back and giving cena jumping off points *writing on wrist*. It also semi irritates me that my argument is somehow invalid regardless of content based soley on if I have a history of disliking a particular wrestler. Never said your opinion was invalid. You can believe whatever you want. However when you say it like you did, it seems less like you're trying to make a point and more like you're just trying to be insulting towards anyone who thinks Cena has upped his game recently. And for the record, I still don't see anyone calling Cena "The Rock, Austin, Punk, and Jericho rolled into one." Hyperboles are fun, but hardly ever right.
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