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Post by Red Impact on Dec 24, 2011 13:18:16 GMT -5
I think game scores are more useful because games have the potential of being buggy, glitchy messes. If a lot of reviews express that, then it's probably going to mirror my own experiences.
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Post by The Line on Dec 24, 2011 14:29:03 GMT -5
I use RT a lot, but not as a "bible". If my friends and I are looking to see a movie, one of us will pull up RT and see how the current films at the BO fared. We check to see if any movies we wanted to see ended up getting grilled by reviewers, and vice-versa. Based on that, we go and read some of the comments that reviewers said. And of course, different critics' opinions hold different weight(in our opinion, not RT's aggregating system).
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 24, 2011 16:23:38 GMT -5
I'll second what Red said about following game reviews. To each their own for a game's storyline and presentation, but it's hard to dispute broken or obviously poor gameplay/controls.
The only medium I feel comfortable with ignoring critics altogether is music. No one has the same idea on what makes a song truly good (Rhyming flow? Song structure? Use of instruments? Vocal performances? The social/political relevance of the lyrics? Lighter or heavier production?) As such, it's too subjective an art form for me to seriously take their word for it.
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Post by wcw on Dec 24, 2011 16:59:48 GMT -5
If I am on the fence about something I will look at what it gets on RT and if it get too low I tend to back off on seeing it. Although if something gets high on RT and I didn't have much of an interest in seeing it based on concept and trailers and such I still won't go see it.
RT is pretty accurate as far as the low end of the scale goes in my opinion. Very few times has a movie gotten a low score and I have been wow this movie was awesome (Aside from comedies made for their audience like Stoner comedies).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 18:03:18 GMT -5
If I'm curious about a movie, I won't hesitate to check RT just to get an idea of how it's being received. Ultimately, if I want to see the movie that badly, scores won't matter too much. Unless it's getting "Jack and Jill" numbers.
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Post by Cela on Dec 24, 2011 20:16:26 GMT -5
It's a pretty good judge of movie quality. Sure there have been a few I have disagreed with, but for the most part it has been pretty spot on except for the movies they seem afraid to diss... New Moon. That is a joke, right? Because that got ripped to pieces and then the pieces were set on fire, and then the critics beat the pieces with shovels while they were burning. Ah, I misrecalled.
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 24, 2011 21:54:40 GMT -5
These are the same people that wear what people on tv wear because people on tv wear something which i think is stupid as well
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 25, 2011 4:55:03 GMT -5
I think it's a recent thing because RT/Metacritic etc. are fairly recent developments. Before you'd read one or two reviews, and go no matter what.
Now though, you have sites that show the opinions of a large number of people, it's like word of mouth, if someone says something's good, you might see it, if everyone's saying it's good, you're more likely to, and vice-versa.
Cost also comes into it, movies and video games are pretty expensive these days, so people are more reluctant to take chances, so they check other people's opinions first.
I'm like most people here it seems, I'll use it for stuff I'm on the fence about, but unless it's getting scathing reviews universally, I'll go see things I think will be good. Even then, I won't go to the cinema, I'll wait and rent it.
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Post by ZERO on Dec 25, 2011 7:50:33 GMT -5
I tend to make my own mind up over whether to go see a film.
I also disregarded critics ratings entirely during the course of the Saw movies, because most of them have no idea what they're on about, and sound like they probably didn't even bother watching them before hand. I enjoyed them all anyway, even Saw 3D.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 25, 2011 8:48:31 GMT -5
I think game scores are more useful because games have the potential of being buggy, glitchy messes. If a lot of reviews express that, then it's probably going to mirror my own experiences. That is, unless reviewers get a bug up their ass and make a game sound worse than it is via their near universal hate of it. Case in point Metroid: Other M. There isn't much wrong with the actual gameplay in Other M, in fact a good chunk of reviews hardly mention the gameplay, and too many harp on the story way too harshly, and so you end up with a Metroid game with a relatively mediocre aggregate score, mostly fueled by all these reviewers that are Metroid fans pissed off at the story/Samus' portrayal. Also Duke Nukem Forever also fell victim to this mass hating on by game reviewers. Now I'm not saying DNF is a good game. It isn't. At the extreme best, it is mediocre. However, what I am saying is that reviewers for the most part were giving DNF scores that you'd usually only find shovelware titles get slapped with, and DNF is certainly not on the same level as shovelware. For all the problems DNF has, it is at least remotely playable.
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Post by Danimal on Dec 26, 2011 0:04:17 GMT -5
These are the same people that wear what people on tv wear because people on tv wear something which i think is stupid as well Really? No, they aren't the same people.. RT isn't used to be trendy. It's a tool many use to find-out about movies from indies to blockbusters and make an informed decision about them in terms of paying ridiculous theatre prices, checking-out on dvd/bluray, or just waiting til it comes to cable and you have nothing invested. One should look at actual reviews and not just the tomato-meter though to get a real idea about the movie.
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 26, 2011 0:56:13 GMT -5
I tend to make my own mind up over whether to go see a film. I also disregarded critics ratings entirely during the course of the Saw movies, because most of them have no idea what they're on about, and sound like they probably didn't even bother watching them before hand. I enjoyed them all anyway, even Saw 3D. I don't think that's true, they just hated the Saw movies because they were pretty terrible movies in their opinions (and mine for that matter). It's not like they're some sort of deep set of movies.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Dec 26, 2011 11:10:22 GMT -5
I find it's helpful if you're completely 50/50 about a movie and have no real opinion on it going into it. However, the opinions of the masses don't always reflect the opinion of the individual... so even if a movie I really want to see has a low score there, there's still a good chance I'll like it because I already have a vested interest in it.
I think people do get too caught up with reviews, in general, though.... if you use a review score to explain why a game/movie/album is bad, that's an invalid argument.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 29, 2011 4:08:41 GMT -5
You bet I do.
However, it's not like I go online to see if a movie has good ratings or not. But if a movie I come across has a "fresh" rating of 70% or higher, I'm likely going to check it out...especially if I've never heard anything about the movie before.
Some of the best movies I've ever seen came from the ratings there, since I never hear anyone ever mention "White Heat" or "The Great Silence" and both of those movies are amazing.
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 29, 2011 11:41:35 GMT -5
I never really check RT ratings or critics for movies. If I see the trailer and it looks good, I'll generally go see it. In fact most of my favorite movies are ones that have low scores on RT (Saw series, both AVP movies). Game reviews though I do pay attention to.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 12:58:14 GMT -5
In my experience movies on RT don't get low overall scores (20% or below) unless there's actually something wrong with them (poor special effects, legitimate offensiveness, poorly conceived message, obviously inexperienced actors). Otherwise, most movies get at least 40% (the threshold for "popcorn movies" and a "if it's your thing, go check it out" consensus.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 13:28:19 GMT -5
Since the RT % is basically an aggregator the only thing it'll tell you is if the majority of critics generally liked or disliked it.
Which makes it f'n useless to me to be honest.
It reminds me of a focus group of movie critics where the actual information you get is just some broad generalization that really doesn't help anyone decide anything.
Where RT is helpful is basically that it collects links to various other reviews that you can read through and decide based on multiple reviews of the same movie.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Dec 29, 2011 13:58:02 GMT -5
I don't use the actual scores per se, but I DO actually look at Critical reviews. The scores to me are basically useless, they tell me whether the film is in fact watchable. What i do is I look through the reviews and find the ones that either (A) I know and enjoy the reviewer's work, (B) Are a Dissenting opinion to the consensus if reviews are mixed and i'm on the fence and (C) seem to be entertaining.
As far as the whole Aggregate scoring goes on things though.....I agree with that it's biggest flaw is a dissenting opinon can cause ripples and one bad score can skew the whole rating. That's before you even get to the issue of aggregators attempting to make an average score from metrics that use different scoring bases (10 point Vs 5 Point basis) Where the same game getting a 9 out of 10 and a 4 out of 5 can lower the average score over the (possibly) same flaw.
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